Plotholes and general stupidities in Logan

I really really want to like this movie but I just can't cut the plot so much slack
They explicitly mention that all they want with Laura is to kill her, they do not want to capture her or perform more tests on her or whatever, she was to be KILLED, she was going to be killed in the Mexican facility along with ALL the other kids who then managed to escape and were branded for death. So why do the Reavers decide to lose like 90% of their manpower trying to capture her nonlethally? And they also try to capture the rest of the kids at the border.
Also, if it's known that A SINGLE adamantium bullet kills any Wolverine-y in 1 shot, why weren't they carrying at least 1 gun with adamantium bullets? Don't come to me with the "Adamantium is extremely rare!" excuse, these guys are the typical multimillion dollars evil company, they had enough adamantium to implant TWO other people with it, I'm sure they had enough to craft a few bullets as a safety counter measure to their own experiments going rogue.

The plot points presented in the film are also never resolved, they mention a lot of things but never explain them. Never mention how ALL the X-men died, how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth, what was poisoning Logan, what had happened to Charles, who was trying to help the kids cross the border and WHY would crossing the border mean the kids would be safe.
Lastly I just think the directing by the end was weak AF, Logan's death didn't feel climatic or sad, it actually felt weak and pathetic. And they killed the emotional moment with the horrible credit song choice, instead of choosing some touching song, they went for a "ridiculous somewhat funny" vibe only because the song's lyrics were somewhat related to what had just happened.

Shame, I was expecting so much more

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>Never mention how ALL the X-men died

it's not an Xmen movie, enjoy your crumbs of lore and enjoy a movie laser focused on LOGAN

>I really really want to like this movie

>a comic book movie

kys my man

>Its not an Xmen movie so they can mention shit about the xmen and get away with it xD

its shitty writing

Have your fucking nurse explain it to you.

It's a plot hole riddled mess with terrible pacing and a tone that bounces all over the place but it's about a superhero that says hes suicidal but never actually does anything about it so manchildren will love it.

I guessed the genetic manipulation was through that energy drink that was in every scene, I assume the admantium is poisoning him, and Xaiver probably wiped out the X-Men although none of this was properly explained, the swearing was pretty cringey too, it was like some kid got permission to swear and just went wild. Nice way to shit on the perfect ending from DOFP

its capeshit,what do you expect?

There's some shitty writing in this for sure. But them not explaining how all the x-men died isn't an example of that. It's "Logan". We don't need them to waste time explaining all this shit to us. We'll probably see it in an upcoming film down the line anyway.

The movie was more than good
You just niptuck any little thing
It was a great send off.

So why did the bullet kill X-24?
In Origins, Logan gets shot in the head 3 times by adamantium bullets at point blank range and they don't even penetrate his head

How did one shot brain X-24 from across the field?

they wanted the kids's bodies intact for research purposes

Haven't seen the movie, but unless they explicitly say X-24 isn't coming back, maybe the adamantium bullet to the head does the same thing to him that it did with Logan in Origins. That way they can kill character/actor while leaving the option for there to be a Wolverine for the franchise.

Xavier killed all the mutants by having a seizure while connected to Cerebro.
Logan survived because of his healing factor.
It's why he cries before he dies

>Never mention how ALL the X-men died,
I'm pretty sure Charles killed them when he had his first siezure
>how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth
I'm pretty sure that had something to do with how the government put something in the food and water to eliminate mutant births
>what was poisoning Logan,
The adamantium skeleton.
>what had happened to Charles,
He was going senile from old age

>how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth
Rice had spiked the nation's food and water supply, everyone was getting gene therapy that suppresed or erased the X-Gene.
>what was poisoning Logan
Adamantium, his suppressed healing factor is barely keeping him alive.
>what had happened to Charles
He's in his 90's and has a degenerative brain disease
>Never mention how ALL the X-men died
Unlike the comics, the movie X-Men don't seem to have a fucking huge roster. 7 died in the Westchester incident and it can be assumed Logan went into hiding with Charles immediately since that happened a year ago.

All of this shit was explained in the movie.

did they poison charles strongbow? is that why he has a brainfart and accidentlly killled those people

What part of "I'm a nonagenarian" didn't you understand?

Are you actually retarded?

>future of X-Men is beaners and one token fat black kid

kill me

yeah but he loves his strongbow

What's the end credit's song?

it aint me

*starts playing*

carry on my wayward son

>The plot points presented in the film are also never resolved, they mention a lot of things but never explain them. Never mention how ALL the X-men died, how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth, what was poisoning Logan, what had happened to Charles, who was trying to help the kids cross the border and WHY would crossing the border mean the kids would be safe.
Except that's wrong retard. They explained it.

>never mentions what happened to the x-men

You know it's morons like you that make me feel bad for writers and directors lol I can imagine the convo they had during production

>should we elaborate more on what happened to the x-men?
>nah that's ok. It would be pointless dialogue that would take away from the rest of the film. Besides, we left the audience with enough information that any idiot should be able to piece it together.

They didn't take people like you into consideration

The makers of this film respected me

So that's what that feels like...

I never understood why no Government ever integrated mutants into the military... They're the new nuke, come serve the motherland comrade Colossus!

So...why can't X24s brain just heal again? Stupid shit

You never read much of Cable's story did you?

I want to be slaughtered by Laura!

Because a part of your brain is what sends out the chemical signals for your body to start healing. You think that shit is automatic?

>They explicitly mention that all they want with Laura is to kill her, they do not want to capture her or perform more tests on her or whatever, she was to be KILLED, she was going to be killed in the Mexican facility along with ALL the other kids who then managed to escape and were branded for death. So why do the Reavers decide to lose like 90% of their manpower trying to capture her nonlethally?

That bothered me too, also they knew she heals at superspeed and still went out of their way not to shoot her.

No, because trying to get into a 4 decades running comic frenchise is pretty much impossible.

As far as i read Cable is one of those with super-super powers, not your garden variety mutant. I meant recruiting the weaker ones, not the ones capable of single handedly ending the world.

And by recruiting i meant like everyone else, not "hurr mind control drugs and pain inducing implants, what can go wrong" kind of recruiting.

X-23 needs to be played by Izzy Fuhrman.

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The X-Men were killed by Charles. It fucking says it on the radio that the casino incident was like one a couple of years ago in Westchester, where the fucking School for the Gifted is.

Not to mention Charles remembers it just before X-24 fucking stabs him.

Did you even watch the fucking film?

Also it's obvious as fuck that "X-24" will be the new Wolverine when they need one. Brain exploded by adamantium bullet will regenerate and he won't remember being a bad guy, will roam the woods of Canada being feral until someone finds him and we have HUGE ACKMAN back again.

>Never mention how ALL the X-men died,
it's heavily implied Charles wiped them out by accident with one of his "seizures"
>how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth,
They put shit in the good that eradicated the occurance of them. The big bad explanes it.
>what was poisoning Logan,
Heavy metal poisoning from his skeleton. It's told to us in the movie subtly but I guess you need shit crammed down your throat.
>what had happened to Charles,
He's old as fuck he has dementia or Alzheimers.
>who was trying to help the kids cross
The nurse, jackass.

Sorry kid, you're not smart enough for capekino.

I lost almost all empathy for the kid when she opened her mouth and started autistically screeching in spanish

what about her regular autistic screeching when she's butchering people?

Is it that me or did the fact that they prefaced the movie with a Deadpool trailer just scream "GUESS WHAT, WE'VE GOT 8 DEADPOOL SEQUELS IN THE WORKS AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE MATURE R-RATED SUPERHERO MOVIES UNTIL PEOPLE GET SICK OF THEM TOO"

in the original comic, wolverine was tricked by mysterio to go on a berserk rampage killing all the xmen in the mansion - so he retired the wolverine name, refusing to pop his claws for years

in this movie, professor x had a seizure that killed the remaining xmen, which was said on the radio.

and about x23 , donald told caliban that the little girl is a weapon, a trademark and a product that they spent money on and wanted back. the other kids were killed but x23 was expected to be a weapon. thats what the video on the phone was stating- the kids were being raised as weapons, that were meant to kill.

they didnt want to hurt x23 in the hunt for her because she is one of the weapons they wanted to use

>GUESS WHAT, WE'VE GOT 8 DEADPOOL SEQUELS IN THE WORKS AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE MATURE R-RATED SUPERHERO MOVIES UNTIL PEOPLE GET SICK OF THEM TOO

Not gonna happen with marvel constantly quipping it up.

I was fine with that, since you don't really hear it over the dramatic music and the metal noises
It was her
>RICTOR BOBBY BECKY DELILAH
That really sunk her for me

This

>Never mention how ALL the X-men died
Killed by Charles during one of his seizures this is clear early in the movie, and he finally realizes it when opening up to x-24

>how were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth

Cure put in food/water this was also blatantly said. Just think about it fluoride in US water cured mutants basically.

>what was poisoning Logan
The fucking adamantium, HE EVEN SAYS THIS TO LAURA SAYING IT WILL PROBABLY POISON HER IN THE FUTURE TOO YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT

>what had happened to Charles
What do you mean? Nigga ded, if you mean his brain they also explain this when talking to albino boy. He was like 90yrs old++ his mind was fading and getting alzheimers/dementia.

Every single one of your complaints about lack of explanation are because you paid ZERO attention.

All this being said i'm still pretty critical of the movie. An R rating made way for us finally see the type of mutant lethality we have missed out on for years. But ya, it was very uneven, lots of great scenes, and a good chunk of mindbogglingly awful ones. Soldiers tasked with killing child super weapons tackling them left and right while the kids don't use their powers or show any aptitude for fighting at all was retarded, also having every single kid focus on donald when they coulda taken out x-24 together easily was just dumb.

>not liking johnny cash
You sound like an underage faggot honestly

>talking shit about Johnny Cash


Wtf is wrong with you, you faggot? How is that a "ridiculous" or "funny" song??

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Anyone else lost their shit when Laura started nagging on Logan? I actually believed she was mute.

>Killed by Charles during one of his seizures this is clear early in the movie, and he finally realizes it when opening up to x-24
>to x-24
>Logan's last words to him were "That wasn't me"
>Charles last words were "sunseeker"

johnny cash is kino

so are they implying the mutant kids free are the harbingers of death or something?

Day of Future past had mutants units in Vietnam.

I agree with your points in the first part
they don't explain why they are trying to get the kids alive and they should have an adamantium bullet.

But the second part you are just being extremely retarded.
>Never mention how ALL the X-men died
We don't need to know, this movie is kinda of separated from the x-men franchise, but they do give you some clues, Xavier probably killed them all by accident or not.[/spoiler]
>were mutants in general wiped from the face of the earth
they explain that.
>what was poisoning Logan
Logan explicit say it is the adamantium, did you sleep in the movie?

We really don't need to know the others...

In the comics, there's this thing called Trigger Scent. Due to brutal psychological conditioning over many years, whenever X-23 gets a whiff of the stuff she immediately flies into a murderous rage. She recently murdered an entire town when it was used on her and even her invulnerable Weapon-X handler that was responsible for torturing her as a child knows better than to take her on when she's like that.

If I had to guess, Trigger Scent was probably cut from the film. Them wanting to take her alive is probably a leftover from an earlier draft since TS is the only thing that could make her "controllable".

That kid with the wood/grass power was so fucking neat.

...

It's amazing what happens when you pay attention to a movie.
>They wanted to kill Laura, why not use one adamantium bullet in each gun.
Did you see the scene in Mexico? They went full auto and barely hit her. Also, unless they scored a headshot on a child who is super agile and won't stand still long enough. You're probably wasting billions of dollars pumping random rounds into a building. While not explained specifically in exposition. They wanted her contained (The full body cuffs) so that they could put the killshot on a stationary target. Also, then, they could re use her tissue, etc, like they showed with Caliban.
>What happened to the X-Men.
Charles implies that it was his fault, and after the Casino scene the radio mentions similar incidents somewhere else and Westchester (the X-Mansion) where the other X-men died.
>What happened to other mutants.
Transigen were putting a genome altering creation in food and water (the same one that was weakening Logan so that the adamantium on his skeleton was leeching into his blood and poisoning him, think lead or mercury poisoning but on a much larger scale). The farmer mentions this. Xander Rice mentions this. Pretty sure Boyd mentioned it at one point.
>What happened to Charles.
"I'm a nonagenarian actually!" The dude is 90+, he's suffering dimentia like symptoms, the seizures that he has are probably destroying what remains of his functions.
>Why would they be safe across the border?
Probably because Canada wouldn't be too happy with nonsanctioned mercenaries operating with lethal, experimental (X-24) force. They could do this in Mexico because of the implication that they had free reign with the administration down there, seeing as they already had their child-experiment facility down there. Also, they're notoriously corrupt.

It's cute how offended people are about you asking innocent questions. They take it as a hostility.

This has nothing to do with reavers not riddling her with bullets on sight as the should have.

You're gonna need bigger bait, pok gai

They do address it at one point with one of the hencguys going "well... they said dead or alive" near the beginning of the movie and then they never address it again so it is weird they don't just bother shooting the kids in the forest.

>Ending weak af... etc.
Granted, it moved at a much faster pace than the previous act, but I feel that was deliberate, because Logan had injected himself with the last resort green macguffin and iirc the score amped up resembling a racing pulse. Mangold was providing tension because they were so close to their escape. Logans death was Cathartic, "so this is what it feels like", he's wanted to die and has been suicidal for such a long time, only now was his body allowing him to die. Also, he had to wait until Charles died as he felt he was his responsibility so that he didn't go Omega Level seizure and genocide people.
And for the credits song, I thought that Hurt - Johnny Cashs version would've been more fitting, but the themes of death in The Man Comes Around still fit the Western motif that Mangold had been going for the whole movie.

So does the ending of this movie bring the possibility of an X-Force film? Fast forward to teen angsty X-23? A Wolverine with PMS

they could do movies with little girl wolverine teaming up with deadpool

Well, Rictor was part of the original X-Force along with Cable, so it's possible.

Domino is coming along too

>so this is what it feels like", he's wanted to die and has been suicidal for such a long time, only now was his body allowing him to die
Don't forget that he was nearly 140 years old. He had outlived everyone he cared about.

How long till a good torrent is available?

No, i want a movie protagonized by kiddie Laura.

This desu. Don't want any camrips

until the bluray comes out, or maybe you could try to get out of your basement and go to the theaters

Jesus christ, you haven't been paying attention... Sunseeker was the name of the boat and their retirement plan. And he was referring to x-24 who looked like Logan when he killed Xavier.

The only thing they forgot to add to this film is a warning that it isn't suited for people with a double digit IQ.

even X-24 had to use that green shit to heal, jesus christ pay attention.

>isn't suited for people with a double digit IQ

>Watching the movie
>Not a huge comic book fan but I was super into Wolverine as a kid and have seen all the stand alone films
>Enjoying it a lot, it's so fucking dark jesus
>Didn't really feel anything when Xavier died
>Get to the end
>Kinda tear up when Wolverine dies
>When Laura turns the cross to an X tears start streaming down my face
>Lights come up and have to try and hide it

I kinda wanna watch them all since I feel like I missed some references and it might have been more impactful if I started from the beginning I know the "Westchester" incident was only explain by context clues the radio interview

Are they decent at least?

The Director for this movie directed Walk the Line, so he's probably just a big Cash fan. He could have used a more touching Cash song though

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Yeah sure why not
It doesn't imply anything or drop a teaser, it just makes it clear that you aren't going to get another X-Men movie with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine

tv is just too dumb to understand movies i understood that a long tipe ago with prometheus

She's not old enough to drive stick

>intentionally not spoonfeeding is bad writing

lol

why is the movie called logan if his name is actually wolverine?

It's actually James

>Are they decent at least?
What, the X-Men movies? They're differently tonally but you might enjoy X1, X2, and DoFP

This movie didn't really have much connective tissue with the other movies

It annoyed me that the kid spoke Spanish.

The rest of the kids spoke English just fine.

darude - sandstorm

Xavier did it when he started to lose control of his mind.
And mutants were wiped out through nutritional engineering.

What bothered me was that when the soldiers chased the kids through the kids with orders to kill or capture them, no soldiers tried to shoot to kids. They did not even bring or use any non-lethal weapons. No tazers, no sleep darts, no bolas. They tried to subdue fucking X-kids with their bare hands.

That's a valid criticism. I can't argue.

>she was going to be killed in the Mexican facility along with ALL the other kids who then managed to escape and were branded for death
Was she? The nurse said they started putting kids to sleep. They might have been storing them for future use/study but wanted them alive.

X2 executed the same premise much better