What was the exact moment HBO's "Game of Thrones" jumped the shark?

What was the exact moment HBO's "Game of Thrones" jumped the shark?

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That ten minute monologue about beetle smashing.

There were many, but the first time I thought what the fuck is this shit was this

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That was kino though.

around the time of tyrion's 2nd trial by combat.

GoT didn't "jump the shark" you're misusing that phrase. It just had few bad episodes.

Gilly's eternal baby.

when they started changing shit around in the 2nd season, removing characters and arcs wholesale and replacing them with shitty, pandering fan-fiction.

"Talisa of Volantis" was the first sign of things to come.

seasons*

Damn how did you even spend that much money on a show and have it look that bad?

this user is right except that there has been more than a few. it's not so much jumping the shark and more not being a good show anymore.

>Robb married under the Seven

The phrase "jumped the shark" actually comes from an episode of Game of Thrones in which Jon Snow jumped over a shark on his jet ski.

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Remember what it was

>few bad episodes
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Dunno about exact moment, but for me the first laughably bad scene that took me out of the show was the battle with the skeletons at the tree with Bran and crew. It just looked so bad in comparison to everything that had come before, and was acted so terribly. The series was still salvagable at that point but it was a hint of things to come with the terribleness that was season 5. Season 5 really killed that show. Season 6 was just more nails in the coffin.

no. it actually comes from a running joke from Reno 911 when they jump the shark for autism.

It's funny how the Sand Snakes fight was so fucking terrible but the Battle of the Bastards was fucking awesome.

You can see where they put the budget and that probably indicates the endgame

Dorne sucked horribly.

I also think the show lost too many great characters. The first few seasons were unmissable, each episode was so addictive. However, when the show lost Ned, Robb, Catelyn, Joffrey, Tywin, Stannis etc...it's hard to lose such a great cast of characters and remain as powerful as it was previously.

It was going downhill from season 3 but the moment when it became total shit was season 5's finale.

her tits gave my penis an erection

GOT would have been better off if the entire 6th season didnt happen at all

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you mean 5th

Was that original D&D script? I swear I remember that scene in the books... I could have imagined it after seeing the show though.

Is that Ramsay?

The short scene where Asha sneaks into the dreadfort with a bunch of goons.
It was a warning because it happened as a result of a silly line they regretted putting in at the end of season 3 which was why they tried to tie it up in one short scene and move on.
I remember that was the first episode I really disliked, and I thought a lot of the tiny changes before were annoying (like Robb's eastern wife) but it was after that episode that I realised how they'd all come back to fuck the show down the line.
Now here we are, I've lost all excitement for the show and I'll probably only watch it so I can shitpost along in /got/

Yep, that doesn't happen in the books. Jamie and tyrion don't speak until Jamie's helping him escape, another scene that they botched

KTHUNK KTHUNK KTHUNK

My sides for some reason caught me off gaurd that day.

That was season 4 or 5? By then there was more original writing than adaptation. Chances are if there was a bad scene past season 3 it was something created whole cloth by D&D. By season 6 everything was like 90% original story.

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You know it's true

The dragons.

Because fuck medieval fantasy.

>HOLD THE DOOR

They (((literally))) turned it into a show with genuine time travel. Fucking time travel.

>CARMELLA HOLD THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

The 5th season you mean. There was no way to make a good 6th season with how badly they fucked up the show in season 5. Season 5 was like them driving out into a vast field of hip-deep manure then camping for the night. When they wake up they're still going to be hip-deep in shit, there's no possible way to continue on that does not involve wading through shit.

Id say theres no direct moment where GoT went to shit. It was a gradual change between seasons 2 and 6.
Certain plotlines that were integral to the books were cut completely and the large expansive amount of characters and plots began to swiftly dwindle for the sake of removing the complexity many normies complained about ("lol i dont even know anyones name outside jon, kellyc and tyrion")
Also characters motivations seemed to completely shift for the sake of storytelling(Stannis has to be one of the most butchered characters ive ever seen).
Id say the real nail though and what most people tend to go to is the OC stuff the writers added to the story. Shit like Dorne and a lot of Season 6 were completely made up by the show runners and their incompetency in storytelling shows with these plotlines.
Overall GoT went to shit when the show runners just started disregarding the books in favor of their own stories and dumbing it down for the masses with less political intrigue and more EXPLOSIONS AND HUGE BATTLE SCENES, which funny enough Westworld inadvertently makes fun of this when Ford shoots down the cocky writers new storyline about adding in gratuitous violence and sex appeal for the sake of gratuitous violence and sex appeal.

Asha was also the first big miscast

Not to defend them, but the Sand Snakes fight *was* filmed in a location they only had access to for one day

I've no doubt it would be *slightly* better if they had more time, but it was plainly clear those girls have not been trained properly or for long enough in fighting choreography

I feel so sorry for Jaime and Bronn's actors for that scene

After season 4 it goes to shit.

End of season 4. Everything they did with Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin and the whore changed it from "still pretty good" to "none of this makes any sense, what the fuck are the writers doing".

Then it went completely off the cliff with season 5.

I agree It was the second season. But Stannis could be salvageable. What did It for me was Dany's Arc and specially the HOTU sequence.

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This isn't even bad though, I mean the scene is actually great for the TV series. Only bookfags that know Stannis as a different character have a reason to dislike it.

>all the slaves in essos no matter where they are from have the same clothes

annoys the piss out of me

Season 4 Episode 10
S4 had some great scenes but

the children of the forest with the retarded fire hand grenades scene, that's when I knew it was over, they'd stopped caring

That was genuinely great - what's not to like about it?

Thing is up to that point Stannis loved his daughter more than literally anything else in the world, then suddenly fuck it lets kill her in the most gruesome way possible.

The exact moment I said "I'm done" is when Doran and his court were murdered by the Sand Snakes. It showed that not only were they not paying any attention to the source material anymore, but they didn't even care about the story or its setting and were just in it for cheap thrills. It was the single biggest "fuck you" to fans of the books I'd ever seen in a show like this.

I'm a bookfag who read the books last year and really enjoyed them, is it worthwhile to watch the show after that?

Everything I see about it makes it seem to be either "the books but worse" or "full on steaming garbage" so I'm not sure there's much reason to get into it.

>When Stannis was character assassinated

This is the only correct answer. There were warning signs beforehand but this is when I knew their shitty story was going to be terrible.

Eh, first season is the best adaptation ever, the second and third are good retellings of the books, fourth one is ok and it's utter shit after that.

This.
We've lost all our interesting characters and are now left with
Tyrion whose story has run its course and his character has just been spinning his wheels since the end of season 4.
Jon whose story is the most generic fantasy hero story.
Dany whose story was always the most boring and uninteresting.
And Cersei whose story has also kind of run its course.
And from the leaks we see that Littlefinger is gonna die so the last real player left in the game gone and now its just generic fantasy war epic with clear good guys vs clear bad guy.

5th season

At least they had the decency to do away with the abortion that was the Dorne plot entirely and kill it early (in the most insulting, but euthanizing way possible, I suppose) in season 6.

Season 1 is very faithful to the books. Stuff has to be cut in order to fit the format, but it's still overall a close adaptation. Season 2 is when the cuts start getting more glaring and while it's still mostly the same you also begin to fear how they will draw plots together after cutting so many things. Season 3 shows that they'll just invent new scenes that conveniently resolve the plotholes they created by cutting characters and events. By season 4 onward they just steadily get more and more original scenes than adapted ones and by season 5 it barely resembles the books.

this desu, in particular the BloodRaven reveal

>a thousand eyes and one

>then suddenly fuck it lets kill her in the most gruesome way possible.
But it's not suddenly. Everyone acts like he just goes for it before the words even leave Melisandre's mouth, but that's not the case.

He initially refuses the suggestion. When his own strategy isn't improving he falls back on it, and you get a scene where he clearly doesn't want to kill Shireen, with a clear look of guilt and sorrow on his face. During the actual scene he is quite clearly dead inside, I mean he is pretty much the embodiment of grim.

I can understand people maybe wanting more build up to it, but it's not like it comes out of nowhere. He doesn't burn her the first chance he gets, and he doesn't look anything other than miserable as he does it.

Brienne fighting the hound.

Not to mention they've turned Tyrion into a meme dwarf, made Dany an unkillable mary sue in every way with a FUCKING smug look on her face that makes me want to strangle her.

Cersei somehow still has control over anything after what she did. The way that Sansa acts makes her seem like a littlefinger 2.0 with oh so much power but she's literally useless outside of her vagina.

The writing has gotten stupid, and they've resorted to stupid thrills and tropes like The Waif or whatever chasing arya down a alley like a shitty slasher movie.

Fuck im mad

>We've lost all our interesting characters and are now left with
We still have Jamie, Davos, Melisandre and Theon (who is admittedly very underused)

But that is suddenly. We go from earlier in the season where he searched the entire world to find someone who could save Sheeren and then in a single episode his Plan B is burn her at the stake.
if that aint a 0 to 60 character change I dont know what is.

Jamie is a cucked version of book jamie
Davos is alright, same with Mel.
Theon is sadly being toted about under girlpower tumblr feminism bullshit. I doubt he'll do much

God season 5 and 6 were so terrible. There's so much shit wrong with Dany's arc in the show it's just mind boggling how it got this bad considering hers was one of the very few story arcs they spent enough time on to not have to cut anything.

Book Stannis will never burn his daughter at the stake. Never. It's been repeated numerous times in the books that Stannis will never bend, only break. ie he'll die before he changes

Literally the episode prior he talks about how he did everything to rescue her. I get that D&D were just trying to emphasise the weight of the decision but it just made Stannis look indecisive.

The point of earlier in the season is to show that he truly does care about Shireen (and people can hate on season 5 all they want, I think it's the worst as well, but the scene where he says she's his daughter is one of the best in the show) so that his decision would have more impact, and seem more of a dilemma. He is told in a previous episode about burning Shireen is he not - it doesn't all happen at once?

I mean maybe you're right, maybe it was very sudden, but what the writers clearly intended is pretty clear.

Her tits are literally fucking 10/10 perfect.

Jaime's character in the show is almost exactly opposite of his character development in the books. Everything I like about book Jaime is absent in show Jaime. Davos is still mostly okay, barring one major out of character thing, but his core character seems undamaged. Melisandre they've managed to avoid ruining simply by avoiding her. Theon sadly has no hope of being interesting since he's been shackled to the idiotic remnants of the Ironborn plotline.

When they finished off killing ALL of the interesting characters, so Tywin's death.

When they killed off Tywin Lannister the show truly turned to shit

YUU WAN THA BAD GURLL

>Jamie is a cucked version of book jamie
Who cares about the books? Jamie, as a different character on the show, was still one of the best. If Theon owned the 2nd season, Jamie owned the 3rd season.

>Theon is sadly being toted about under girlpower tumblr feminism bullshit. I doubt he'll do much
You're probably right. I can live in hope though.

>Tywinmind
But yeah it's no coincidence that is when many also claim the books took a turn for the worse. The end of book 3, with Tyrion killing Tywin, was a pivotal moment in the series because it drastically changed the balance of power in Westeros. Tywin was keeping so many people in check that without him it just turned into a free for all shitshow of who could be the biggest fuckup with Cersei trying her damndest to earn that title.

BUT YOU WAN BAD PUSY

its hard to pinpoint an exact moment since the show tends to build and have a momentous final 2 episodes

but we can say with some certainty that the show started declining quite rapidly in season 4 after joffreys death, slowly turning into a show where the action sequence are the only redeeming thing (oberyn, jon snow etc)

its lost all its subtlety and intrigue

>You will never breathe deep of her bad puci

this is xena tier

>Who cares about the books
You don't understand. In the books Jamie is arguably one of the best characters, period. You get to see him grow immensely as a character.

Instead they cut all that away and make him a good little boy who follows all the tumblr women power fantasy horseshit, gets no development and just acts like an idiot

GoT jumped the shark when they killed off the Dorne plotline due to fan backlash
There was lots of shit before that, but bowing to fan pressure is the worst thing they can do

It was so sad that they manoeuvred their way into cutting the Ironborn arc from the books, but then rushed back into it again once they realized they needed to replace Dorne

wrong. this is a solid scene. Tywin dying on the shitter 2 episodes later is the exact moment the show went to shit

The dorne abortion was due to fan backlash? You mean because the sand sneks in S5 blows ass in comparison to anything? So they axed the whole fucking thing?

Who

It's utterly useless, too long and the biggest problem is that they had it in but cut good scenes that actually would have made sense and developed the characters.

I don't know if you can really say it was due to fan backlash, but it was very obvious they were writing Dorne out of the show with that little coup the Sand Snakes pulled. But if so, I can almost believe it because it's D&D being spiteful as fuck. People don't like their empowered xena squad so they make them kill all the beloved characters from the books and then write them all out of the show forever.

I hope grrm dies before finishing the books just for the lulz

I know, I've heard all about how much better the books are - with Jamie always being brought up. But you're watching the show, and should judge it on it's own merits.

But the Jamie in the show has got development. He's clearly a more humble and empathetic character now, and has stopped being a villainous character. Everyone complains about Jamie in the TV show still being in love with Cersei, or not despising her etc - but does no one else think the scene with Cersei on the throne at the end of season 6 is hinting that he'll turn against her? His look of worry and disapproval, especially since she did what he stopped the mad king from doing(?), seemed pretty clear that all isn't well.

>watching game of plebs

I bet they will postmortem publish book 6 from what he has written so far if he does die. I'm not sure when I gave up on him completing the series, but I feel like I came to terms with it years ago.

Based on it's own merits the show is a pile of shit. The writing without GRRM to fall back on has clearly suffered. Then add in Jamie being a little cuck, and it's salt in the wound

>But you're watching the show, and should judge it on it's own merits.
Not him, but this isn't a very good argument. I could understand it if the show from the very beginning was going to be a loose adaption; they were going to mess around with elements and change stuff up. But it presented itself as a fairly accurate adaption and then it just sort of degraded.

You can tell that the Dorne abortion wasn't planned out because of how they handled the Ironborn and Dany's ships

When Dany captured Meereen, they had Daario say they captured a specific number of boats. That number was the same as the number of ships that Victarion was bringing to Meereen. It was a nod to the fans to say that Victarion and the Ironborn had been cut because their purpose in the plot had been replaced.

But in the same episode where the Dorne plotline is cancelled, all of Dany's boats magically are set on fire, thus requiring the Ironborn for the plot again. And lo and behold, the Ironborn got time in later episodes

I never really got too bothered, since it's showed signs of decline. Same thing with berserk.

That was the ultimate outcome anyway. They were just sparing us an entire season of The Sandsneks feat. Darkstar.

I know but I've been reading this series since the early 00s. 13 years total. It had so much promise. I got into it when there were only 3 books. And each one just got more incredible and hyped. Book 4 was hard to get into at first because it lacked so many characters I wanted, and introduced so many I didn't know or care about (though having reread it several times I actually like it a lot more now). And book 5 was just a disappointment I feel like. All those years waiting and it didn't deliver enough, it felt like treading water until the next book came out. In the early years of waiting for book 6 my anticipation was immense, because it would FINALLY move the plot forward from book 3, that last really hype book before things got all slow and directionless.

But now I can't even give a shit. Cause I know it'll never be resolved.

You can really tell she is the favorite and will continue to have everything handed to her on a sliver platter without her having to actually work for it. The people I talk about GoT with (showfags) will never understand my pure hatred for Dany.

How the fuck does Cersei get away with everything without the law doing shit?

I mean hundreds of people died in the finale and I'm guessing nobody is gonna investigate that, better make her queen.

Fear

Are you retarded? Do you think absolute monarchies have checks and balances or something?

The same reason the sand sneks can murder the Prince of Dorne and aren't immediately crucified by the first Dornish lord to make it to Sunspear and claim the crown of Dorne for himself as the avenger of the beloved Martells.

Because bad writing, extremely bad writing

fear of fucking what? she literally has NO ONE on her side, hell the city watch could of immediately turned on her considering she killed the true Queen, the entire religious order, and a bunch of extremely high lords

>Do you think absolute monarchies have checks and balances or something?
Yes?
The French monarchy, which was the quintessential absolute monarchy, had all kinds of bureacracy.

The biggest shark-jump happened when they introduced the church and its leader. The church wasn't an element throughout the entire show, and in what, 2 or 3 episodes, it has a power that rivals the king's?

At that point it was clear that the show was going to treat the main plot like they treated dany's plot since season 2: make up whatever you need to keep the show rolling, without fleshing it out and making it realistic. Every city and location in Essos is like a cardboard cutout backdrop (and always has been). There's no character and no realism to them. So then they made King's Landing that way, and when they introduced Dorne it was the same, and when Arya went to Braavos it was the same. The show has lost all of its grounding. It's sort of like watching the pieces on one of the show's warmaps, they move around but they aren't actually part of the world, they aren't connected.

Of course, this is just a symptom of poor character writing and the rushed pace of the show, which has so many things to get done each season, so many "epic" confrontations, that it can't take any time to ground itself.