As grown adults with patrician taste, can we have a mature conversation about who was in the fucking wrong here? Please.
>Billy was calling Tommy's name out the minute he walked into the bar, like sheesh give the guy a sec you old mobster fuck. Also, at the end they both apologized (however false it was) and Billy just had to get the last word in by telling Tommy to go home and get his Sup Forums box
Sup Forums hereby finds Billy guilty of utmost faggotry, sentenced to death by knife and buried in a hole somewhere in upstate NY
In my humble opinion, billy insulted tommy a little bit. He did.
Daniel Roberts
Tommy should have gotten his fucking shinebox, Batts was a made man, he did nothing wrong. I offer dubs as evidence.
Nathan Butler
It doesn't matter, Billy was a made guy and Tommy had no right treating him like a half of faggot or something. Billy was not a little out of line himself even if he did insult him a little bit.
Noah Hernandez
Nah, he didn't insult nobody
Josiah Hughes
Childhood is believing in the Billy/Tommy dichotomy Adulthood is realizing that blaming Jimmy makes more sense
Logan Jenkins
Tommy killed a made man because he's an enraged little manlet.
Tommy was absolutely in the wrong.
Jacob Wright
Goodfellas is the most kino gangster movie
Hudson Wilson
100% chance OP is a manlet
Gabriel Martinez
Once Upon A Time in America
Matthew Diaz
>implying he asked Tommy to pay his bar tab in front of the entire crew
Mason Cooper
go on..
Robert Hughes
He got a little bit out of order.
Lincoln Allen
No, they're just creative
Charles Rodriguez
Nah, nah... Give us a drink!
Samuel Hall
billy insulted tommy first, knowing that tommy moved up in the ranks, tommy warned him to stop advancing with the snark comments by saying don't go busting my balls but billy persisted. billy had what was coming to him
Caleb Rodriguez
Jimmy had his own reason to want Billy dead, more serious than Tommy's indignation at being disrespected. Jimmy wanted to hold onto the rackets that he had taken over while Batts was in prison, which Batts would have easily gotten back with his status as a made man. So Jimmy kept Billy at the bar knowing he'd be killed if he stayed there, participated in the murder, and helped hide the body, knowing that Tommy would get the blame, as Billy's crew witnessed him blowing up at Batts earlier that night. Instead of taking any effort to cool him off, Jimmy used Tommy as a scapegoat while he secured his own interests, happily helping his "friend" to sign own death warrant.
Benjamin Gomez
LAYERS A Y E R S
Jayden Martin
Then why was he so upset when tommy got wacked?
Thomas Barnes
Billy's a made guy. Rules are rules, they don't stop existing just because you felt especially offended by the guy.
Lucas Long
He went a little too far in a few places.
Landon Martinez
>tfw you thought you knew better after watching goodfellas literally 50+times and then this comment is posted...
true goodfella detected
Lincoln Morgan
the drinks are on the house.
Daniel Jackson
makes sense
>The common belief, perpetuated by the 1990 movie Goodfellas, is that DeSimone murdered Bentvena for insulting him at The Suite. However, the real reason for the murder was that Burke had taken over Billy Batts' loanshark business while he was in prison. According to Hill, Bentvena had been complaining to Joe Gallo about getting back this racket. Not wanting to return the business to Bentvena, Burke decided to eliminate him instead. When he was attacked, Batts was so inebriated he failed to defend himself. At the time of the murder in 1970, Batts was 49 years old and was a respected and feared made member in the Gambino family.
Bentley Jenkins
That was never implied.
Git out with your made-up pleb canon.
Chase Adams
Looks like someone we know
Logan Turner
He was still his friend and he was more upset than Tommy didn't get made. If Tommy got made that was a huge amount of protection and legitimacy within the organized crime community. With Tommy dead he'll never get the access those inside connections.
Plus Tommy tried to rape Karen irl. Karen was banging Paulie while Henry was was in prison. That's Tommy got whacked. Typical Long Island Jew broad behavior BTW.
William Wilson
Have the drink with me!
Michael Richardson
>implying implications are decipherable easily
Landon Reyes
woaaah bing, witout da beard (ayyyyyy)
Jonathan Richardson
It's never really mentioned in the movie except for a split second when the scene starts with Tommy coming back in the 2nd time, Jimmy is talking to Billy and all you hear is
>Billy: And me, I want what I gotta get
Meaning he's owed something, he's owed what was taken over by Jimmy.
The only reason this is known is by researching the real Billy Batts/Jimmy story or by reading the book, so if you haven't there's no way you would've known it just from the movie.
Jeremiah Nguyen
Friendship, death and mourning are complicated things in that sort of an environment. I'm sure Jimmy felt some amicability towards Tommy, but he still used him to further his own interests. Just like he felt friendship towards Henry, but he would have easily had him killed or even killed him with his own hands if it would have served him to do so. Bitter enemies grieve for each other once one has died, even though they may have been at each other throats a week before the funeral. In addition to being spelled out in the book, this is directly mentioned in the movie. In the scene preceding Billy's assault and death, Batts tells Jimmy that he's done his time and he wants what he's "gotta get" and has "mouths to feed". I believe Henry also narrates something to that effect at some point.
Mason Thompson
I hereby dub you goodfellas master (TM)
where are you getting this shit nigger? I didn't hear that shit about karen and I host the stream that literally plays goodfellas on repeat (only dedicated chrissy posters will know the-channel-that-can't-be-mentioned)
either way any more good shit about the movie? ill buy you a drink--on the house
Lucas Gomez
>Martin Scorsese is literally posting in this thread
Kevin Wilson
The only really Billy even brought it up was to show how visibly impressed he was with how Tommy has come along in the world. He didn't mean it like "Ha look at this mook clean my shoes you lowlife."
Then Tommy completely disrespects him and Billy was insulted
The Shinebox thing a lone is pretty low on the ball busting. It's disrespectful but it's hardly a great personal insult. But Tommy was fucking crazy. So who knows.
Wyatt Morgan
post the link
Easton Edwards
spoken like a true goodfella
Aiden Anderson
>Sure, we break some balls here tonight, but I go way back. And in light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined by men, and not faggot ass corn-holin' cocksuckers like married my cousin. He should fuckin' die!
/ourguy/
Mason Watson
Jimmy knocks him to the ground from behind. Jimmy is the would curb stomping Batts. It's clearly. Jimmy directing the murder not Tommy.
>SUBTEXT
Bentley Martin
Better question: how tf would garlic liquify on a pan?
Logan Martin
by slicing it thin, duh
Caleb Phillips
Heat and good olive oil but not extra virgin olive oil on medium to high heat.
>The common belief, perpetuated by the 1990 movie Goodfellas, is that DeSimone murdered Bentvena for insulting him at The Suite. However, the real reason for the murder was that Burke had taken over Billy Batts' loanshark business while he was in prison.
...fucking hollywood
Zachary Davis
Jimmy used Tommy like a vicious dog.
Jackson Carter
No no, Billy, the drinks are on...the house
Samuel Long
Will you drop this fucking meme
Owen Cooper
its cytube slash mafiatv, google it this saturday
Nicholas Howard
turns out i've had it bookmarked for awhile
Jace Smith
what was ur username familia?
Benjamin Parker
Skip to 18 minutes
Liam Scott
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Alexander Lopez
>half a fag what did they mean by this?
Justin Lopez
Whatever happened before the apology doesn't really matter. Both men apologized, seemingly sincerely, and the matter should've died right there. But then Batts gets uppity for no discernible reason and snaps at Tommy. Now it was out of line for Tommy to kill him, way out of line, but Batts should've known he was playing with fire by picking at the same scab so maliciously when it clearly hurt Tommy the first time. Again, Batts was a made man who just got out of the joint. As far as the verbal argument went though, he was in the wrong. Shouldn't have gotten killed, but he was in the wrong.
Jack Harris
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Jonathan Cruz
Did Henry rat Tommy out? He never jumped in to defend him when Paulie and the restaurant owner were negotiating
>Playing with fire I mean, he doesn't know this, right? The last he remembers of Tommy he was shining shoes. Also they're all shown to be loud assholes (like all of them) Tommy is just an overreacting piece of shit that can't keep his anger in check--which I'm sure Spider could tell you something about.
At the end of the day though I think all that matters is that Batts was made and Tommy wasn't and that's that. His place on the totem pole lets him talk shit. Part of the life.
Hunter Howard
any reupload? blocked for me
William Turner
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Leo Williams
MEZZO FENOUK
John Sanders
I would say this, but I could literally watch goodfellas anytime anywhere
