>pay taxes for education and healthcare >nobody makes a deal about paying taxes >services and products cost what it says on the tag or on the menu
Americans
>refuse to follow the first world model of funding education and healthcare with tax revenue >make a big deal about taxation >while gladly paying stupidly overpriced health insurance and getting a $100k student loan (unless mommy and daddy carry you until you are 30) >no problem in paying extra for everything by tipping and DONATING >everything is and has a charity and while nobody wants to donate, everyone is telling everyone to DONATE >take a selfie every time you donate something, from $10 to the flavor of the month cancer charity to donating blood >make a big deal of DONATING because everyone has to know
Camden Perry
stop making threads about americans every 5 minutes
Alexander Moore
2bh there are should be countries with different approaches to things. To understand what's really working you need things to compare
Anthony Torres
Stop telling us what to do
Liam Walker
>>refuse to follow the first world model of funding education and healthcare with tax revenue Education has always been funded by tax payer, where the hell did you hear it wasn't
>make a big deal about taxation Very few people care about taxation, except people that just want to chimp out because taxes are being used for something they don't like
>while gladly paying stupidly overpriced health insurance and getting a $100k student loan (unless mommy and daddy carry you until you are 30) Most families set aside money while their child is in school for college
>no problem in paying extra for everything by tipping and DONATING Both are voluntary
>everything is and has a charity and while nobody wants to donate, everyone is telling everyone to DONATE Lots of people donate, most of my family does.
>take a selfie every time you donate something, from $10 to the flavor of the month cancer charity to donating blood Only retards do that
>make a big deal of DONATING because everyone has to know Only retards do that, a hospital I live near the highest donation (~2.5m) was from an anonymous
Aiden Ramirez
Americans are fine desu. I like that it's a performance society. It's not for lazy asses though. I want to be compensated when I worked hard my entire life though.
Jonathan Watson
> Americans World power
> Europeans Not world power
huh...
Dominic Reyes
get a life faggot
Kayden Gutierrez
>finnish flag again obsessed
Camden Rodriguez
>following other people's advice Following other's advice didn't make us be the country that has the highest GDP
Jeremiah Smith
France UK and Germany are still world powers
Jordan Long
Europeans >pay 96% of their paycheck to appease Mahmud and Abdul
FTFY sweetie :)
Zachary Jackson
@80241407
Henry Evans
So is SK. Better than Japan anyway
Jonathan Turner
Japan is #2 Korea is #11 Japain is even stronger than any of European countries GDP(Money) -> power
Cooper Rodriguez
>be european >taxes get spent on yourself
>be American >taxes get spent on bank bailouts and bombing children in the desert
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Aiden Mitchell
Europeans spend taxes on bank bailouts too, you retarded leaf. In fact, Europeans (specifically the Northern European states like Germany, France, the Netherlands, and the UK) have probably spent more on bailouts than the US since 2008.
Landon Nguyen
I was looking up general tax rates by country and I was still shocked to see that the average American still pays comparatively high taxes for the shit benefits and service they receive. I'd be pretty mad at the government as well if I was paying a lot of taxes as a middle-class American while not receiving basic first-world country stuff like guaranteed access to higher education or health care.
Liam Long
Why is our spurdo always drawn blonde if we're not white?
Justin Allen
Hairdye
Mason Morales
Our mismanaged state banks, like the Bavarian state bank was literally bailed out in part by American tax payer money. I'm not even exaggerating.
Zachary Lopez
U.S. is hyper power Russia is superpower U.K./France/China are world powers
Brandon Parker
Don't forget the part where we pay a bit lower tax but what we do pay go to fight Saudi Arabia and Israel's battles for them.
Landon Reed
Can't have everything now can we?
>bailed out in part by American tax payer money I'd be mad if I actually cared
Jeremiah Jackson
The bailouts were handled by credit swap lines, which is seriously not a situation you want to get into with the Fed.
Charles Evans
de brice of burgr
Camden Richardson
You also pay for universal healthcare for Iraqi and Afghan citizens.
Oliver Williams
i like that too, but their education is piss poor it has so much room for improvement same for gun laws and control
Gavin Bennett
Educate yourself if you really want to learn, it isn't that hard We don't hold your hand through your fucking life
>Gun laws Don't open such a dumb can of worms, you guys really don't know how complex the issue is in the US and I have yet to see a proposed solution on Sup Forums that could be plausibly considered by both sides
It's at most what, a few billion for both? A drop in ocean compared to the 3 Trillion or so we spend on ourselves
Andrew Jones
Our education system might be good, but it is inefficient and the healthcare is just dismal.
Why do you think it's acceptable to force everyone to pay anyway? With a privatised system, you'd earn more, so it would balance out. Only, with the latter system you would have more responsibilities (which admittedly is a horrifying thought to some people)
Liam Peterson
>same for gun laws and control Yeah, their restrictions on full auto, destructive devices, short barreled weapons and suppressors need to be repealed as soon as possible. Then they'd have almost perfect gun laws.
Gabriel Garcia
>With a privatised system, you'd earn more, so it would balance out.
Except for the smaller insurance pools, the hordes leeching debt-collectors, insurance companies and preventalbe emergency room visits of low and uninsured people.
There is a reason why they pay 60% more on average than us.
Jordan Allen
europeans
>pay taxes so muhammed and his 20 children can replace you
Jason Myers
basic education should be a right without needing police in schools and stuff too >inb4 someone brings up universities when i speak about public education
Dominic Cox
Basic education is a right here. Your parents will be fined or sent to jail if you don't go to school.
As for no police, that'll never happen. The local communities want police presence in schools, and they're the ones who make the decisions.
Cameron Miller
>basic education should be a right We have basic education, it's a right, you brat
>without needing police in schools and stuff too That's something for the school board and local authorities to decide
Zachary Price
Also,
3rd worlders
>pay European taxes >get American tier welfare >still get shot like Americans
Brayden Foster
Why are Yank hours so god awful?
Jack Cook
Only shitty post I see there is (You)
Blake Carter
why are you describing america
Anthony Wood
wrong
Isaac Wright
most emergency room visits are caused by trauma and non-emergencies. how do you prevent that?
Tyler Edwards
Right even
Oliver Brooks
South American taxes are worse and their welfare system is at another level of disaster
T. living in South FL and met a bunch of Latinos
Alexander Hernandez
The government can subsidise health insurance for the people who couldn't otherwise afford it.
Charles Anderson
that's actually what we currently do. people below (I think) $16K a year get 100% free medical coverage in most states. That's for everything, checkups, major surgeries, etc. People who make a bit more than that get subsidies to help them pay for insurance.
Jordan Price
Im all for paying more taxes for healthcare but as a college student, i dont think college should be paid for by the taxpayer. Yeah some people actually go for education, but half the people i see are just knuckleheads messing around doing fuck all. If they're gonna waste money let it be their own. Its not even that expensive, if you are so poor dont go to a prestigious uni and work a little.
Thomas Watson
It's actually worse than you think. Even putting private spending aside, we spend more per capita on PUBLIC healthcare and PUBLIC education than most countries. We do this without achieving universal coverage in healthcare, and without achieving fantastic education results from public education. It's not a matter of just spending more money to fix it; the regulations, laws, bureaucracies, politics, and generally the way these systems are organized is completely fucked and full of inneficiencies and perverse-incentives, beyond what throwing money at the problem can help.
As far as taxation goes, personal income taxes are usually lower in the US, but things like corporate taxes are higher here. Not just the nominal corporate taxes, but effective corporate taxes (that's what the average company pays after deductions, loopholes, etc) are higher than every OECD country except New Zealand (last time I checked). All taxes overall, yeah, we're near the bottom of OECD in terms of taxation, with only a few countries lower than us.
Carter Cruz
so.
Wyatt Gutierrez
you should shave off the huge overhead of the college costs. it is fucking insane. why do you need huge stadiums and those almost pro level teams and the head coach making 1Mil USD a year. and all those lavish expensive campus facilities. whether you use them or not you are paying for them. all you need is a few rooms and good professors. preferably those that can actually teach, not the researchers who don't give a shit about teaching and wo speak with foreign accents you can't understand.
Xavier Martinez
aren't medicad and medicare considered public healthcase since it is paid for by the taxpayers??
Aaron Nelson
You have a very good point about the professors, especially the researchers who dont give a shit about the class. But do you ever wonder why colleges invest so much in sports and stadoums to begin with? Because they make a shitload of money from them. Selling tickets to games, having good teams so people pay more for your college etc. it all comes down to money.
Christopher Sullivan
so not only do they make money on their sports teams, they also pass some (most?) of the team ownership costs on to you, no? also don't they make even more money off of their research grants?. sounds like it is about them making money at the expense of the students. that's not fair.
Thomas Young
Then what's the point? Didn't you want to privatize stuff? You realize that you didn't address any of my points regarding the issues with privatization? What you are describing already exists in the US and it is in any way inferior to any universal health care system of any major development country. It is more expensive and it is more ineffective in providing universal coverage. There is only a very small group of people that profits from the current state of things.
Julian Anderson
Yes they make money from teams, thats how they pay for all the teachers and stuff. The only people truly getting scammed from sports are the athletes who dont get paid shit but still compete at a very serious level. The students get screwed in case of research but again thats what brings the money in for these schools that have a really good name. USC isnt gonna have the same name if they are just focusing on having a few classrooms with good professors.
Landon Russell
You are a dunce. I specified preventable ER visits because that's what I was talking about. Uninsured or lowly insured people that delay treatment or prevention that end up going to the ER in the end. Rack up a high bill that gets distributed on normal insurance buyers.
Henry Green
don't forget the part where American doctors and parents cut off their sons' foreskins and sell the tissue for a profit, and then tip the doctor for performing this service.
Brayden Smith
I never realized how badly fingols crave American cock.
Aaron Morales
>thats how they pay for all the teachers and stuff oh really? they make tons of money on the teams and on the research grants and they still charge you 10K a year at the average public school? what does the tuition cover then?
Camden Long
we spend nearly 50% more than you do per student on education. Our public education spending is the 4th highest in the world. Its quite simply not a money problem.
Kevin Ward
I dont know the financial details of every school but obviously its very expensive to run and maintain a school. Schools here aren't just about education, the name of the school is much more important than the actual education. People in more expensive schools actually tend to have easier classes because they dont want people paying expensive tuitions failing and dropping out. Again if USC didn't have the sports teams, the campus, research and fancy professors they wouldn't be what they are today.
Jason Nguyen
> its very expensive to
Are you one of those people that seriously thinks that Band-Aid and saline warrants a multi-thousand dollar bill?
Joseph Price
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Jason Reed
Im not talking about hospital prices here, which are inflated thanks to insurance companies. In my opinion the whole idea of insurance is a scam to begin with. Health insurance especially has been destructive for this country. But yes its very expensive to maintain a uni if you weren't aware.
Nolan Ward
Yeah, we should just remove all safety standards in medicine and people got get their teeth removed at the local black smith in exchange for some eggs.
Bentley White
like in the good old times
Luis Johnson
>Yes they make money from teams, thats how they pay for all the teachers and stuff. Not including the hilarioualy inflated tuitions of course :^)
Jacob Long
>people got get their teeth removed at the local black smith in exchange for some eggs
Shows that not every medical procedure needs a degree.
Daniel Torres
would unironically prefer this
Xavier Collins
>Japan is second in GDP compared to China
Jason Bailey
Im not here to defend everything a university does. Yes there is profit involved so they do tend to milk the students. That said the government sure as fuck shouldn't be paying for it. When a fuckhead goes to dick around he wont be the one getting milked, instead it will be the taxpayer. Going to your dream university is not a right. Its not even a necessity for having a good career. I know people who have had better success joining the military or starting a business instead of going to college while the dickheads with 2.3 GPA doing fuck all in college like to brag "huhuhu we are in college we are so smart"
Gabriel Smith
>When a fuckhead goes to dick around he wont be the one getting milked, instead it will be the taxpayer. Defaults on student debt and unemployment caused by getting a useless humanities degree the university invented for attracting the young and dumb carry a far greater societal cost.
Ian Parker
>tfw mommy and daddy carrying me mixed feelings
Ian Long
The US is basically a third world nation with a first world paintjob
Henry Taylor
dont let judgemental op faggot get you down
Parker Hernandez
The idiots who did fuck all will still be unemployed doing nothing. The only difference is that the taxpayer pays for it and universities make even more money because now every person in the cunt wants in.
Jose Morgan
Why are you so concerned about the university getting big $$$? Horra horra get dorra shouldn't be the main purpose of an educational institution. >universities make even more money because now every person in the cunt wants in. You're talking about degree inflation, yes? That is far more greater a problem in the USA than it is in any Yuropoor country. If you're not, then I'll just say that cost of education per student for example in Finland is far lower than it is in the USA.
Cameron Gonzalez
I am concerned with university getting money because the taxpayer will be paying for it. Why should ever idiot get a free ride through university to begin with? Going to university is not a right.
Tyler Barnes
why do people think it is?
Luis Richardson
There are these things called entry exams, evaluation interviews and giving out points based on performance on lower educational levels, you know. Are you so retarded that you think anyone can just waltz in to a university in Europe, get a degree and fuck off? As it stands in the USA, your claim is far more truthful, because daddy and mommy can just pay for their retard son's entry into the ivy league.
Justin Adams
>Tipping >not mandatory >USA You wot nigga?
Lucas Taylor
Again why should this be free? Just because someone passed a basic entry exam that means the taxpayer is responsible for theit education? Yeah lets have the taxpayer fund the gender studies degree of a USC student, 100k a year is no issue. Everything should be free according to these people Maybe the taxpayer can fund prostitutes so the students can get stress relief before exams
Ethan Gomez
Europeans >obsessed
Grayson Hall
You didn't actually think that tipping was mandatory right?
Isaiah Edwards
All first world nations are, only difference is in the quality of said paintjob and how easily it peels when shit hits the fan.
Hudson Torres
>100k a year is no issue. Only in the USA does one student's shitty degree cost 100 kilos a year.
Daniel Harris
How much do ivy league schools cost in Finland? Do not forget that people from all over the world are coming to US universities for "shitty" degrees
Ian Myers
Yes. Medicare, medicaid, and the VA Hospital. Government programs directly cover 27.8% of the population (83 million), including the elderly, disabled, children, veterans, and some of the poor; and federal law mandates public access to emergency services for absolutely anyone (including legal non-citizen residents, including illegal aliens) regardless of ability to pay (that doesn't mean that they won't give you a bill after EMS, just that they'll treat you before you pay).
Juan Gray
It is the system Switzerland uses. And privatisation is good because private entities cannot afford to waste money like government does, leading to a more efficient system. And even if overhauling our socialist systems would not result in significant improvements, the gain in individual liberty and responsibility would still be worth it.
Thomas Campbell
Private entities with profit motives will charge as much as the client is willing/able to pay. Which turns out to be a lot, when the product you are selling can be the difference between life and death. It's why more people go bankrupt from health-related issues in the USA than in the EU, why most european countries only spend about tenth of their GDP in health while the USA spends a sixth, and why a pill can go from 10$ to 500$ overnight.
And it's not just a matter of being more responsible, like you say in . People can be born sick, through no fault of their own.
Caleb Scott
In Finland, you go to a university and then don't pay anything to get your degree, except mandatory student union membership wich is I think 100 euros or something for a year
And you have to pay the rent somehow so better get a job outside the time when being studying
Leo Russell
>>make a big deal about taxation they are taxed out the ass, what you talkin bout
Anthony Thompson
Yeah, to pay for a giant, bloated military which is just a corporate welfare system in disguise
Julian Hill
We pay almost half our wages in taxes to subsidize the welfare state, yet our healthcare is one of the worst in Europe and the waiting times are abysmal. Tons of people here die while on the waiting list for treatment.
Joseph Clark
>USA The richest, most powerful and influential country that ever existed >Europe Slowly dying has-been I wonder, whose approach is better.