Should the USA intervene in Spain with all the bullshit that been going on there...

Should the USA intervene in Spain with all the bullshit that been going on there? A democracy is being crushed by a monarchy as we speak but nobody cares?

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I don't think America should get involved. You don't really have a good trackrecord of helping other countries.

fuck no you fucking faggot
I just wanna watch

Yes pls, Spain has weapons of mass destruction ready to use.

Like Japan, South Korea, every Western European nation outside of maybe the UK?
Outside of Middle East and Vietnam I'd say our track record is pretty good.

Yes.
We need to intervene, aid our NATO ally, and kill the commie Scatalans.

Yes!
I think Americ should definately intervene and defend Catalonian independence the way it did with Kosovo

who fucking cares

>Madrid has dispatched hundreds of battle-hardened soldiers to Catalonia days before the region’s leader has vowed to declare independence, Spanish media reports.

>The two convoys of 20 trucks were said to be rolling towards Barcelona to support the police as tensions remain high after officers moved on voters who took part in Sunday's "illegal" referendum.

>The two contingents which will be based outside Barcelona include troops from Spain’s Group 41 regiment, which fought missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

the habbening is here

If USA doesn't get involved we can be looking at a very ugly civil war in Europe....second in Spain in the last 100 years btw.

You realize your argument of 'look how great Germany and Japan turned out' is the ideologic origin of the neocon nightmare that was the US' foreign policy during the last 60 years? Why do you guys just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again?

stay away shartman
secessionism is a mental illness

Seems weird that it works for Europe (not even just Germany but all the places involved in Marshall Plan), South Korea (look how well it turned out vs North Korea), Japan etc. but like....Middle East just is shit no matter what is done. I'm not an Islamaphobe but is it Islam? The desert climate? What?

I can't help but feel Spain has more in common with the rest of Europe vs Middle East and we'd be able to keep the peace there much easier.

>Middle East just is shit no matter what is done
literally all you had to do was leave it alone. instead, you toppled secular governments and bombed their capitals to rubble.

this. if usa never touched middle east it would be an ok place most probably.

Nah bullshit, Saddam Hussein was a fucking tyrant and a murderer. I know people from Iraq, none of them have anything good to say about him. "Secular" doesn't mean good or anything close to it. Hitler and Mussolini were "secular" but nobody would say dethroning them was a bad idea.

We rebuilt Iraq and gave them their own democracy, they had their first democratic election, etc. These are good things. But then its still shit.

Why are you so convinced that democracy is a good thing?

as opposed to freedom bringers killing couple of millions in iraq so far, who was the lesser evil?

>invade nation despite having zero right or justification for doing so
>level every city and kill thousands upon thousands of civilians
>this causes dozens of islamic militia groups to start organizing
>wonder why these people won't bow to your imperialistic mass-murdering "democracy" so you kill more of them and try to forcefully implement your political system into a completely foreign culture
>repeat this process a few more times in other countries with unsurprisingly little effect, still consider it a "victory" because at least you mass-murdered those damn muslims and established control of the oil market (which was the goal from the start but americans will gladly lie through their teeth to make you believe otherwise)
>millions of them are forced to relocate to europe
>now feeling nothing but hatred for the western world due to the actions of the USA, they proceed to commit increasingly more brutal mass murders against europeans

America is a demonic mass-murdering capitalist empire built entirely on murdering people for the sake of resources. I sincerely hope that the USA gets fucking destroyed and every American who took part in ruining this world suffer a painful death, americans are nothing but greedy christian psychopaths who literally destroy everything they come in contact with.

Consensual rule by and for the people, instead of rule by a dictator or a king. Democracy isn't perfect but it is the best we have. Canada has a relatively benign Queen but if you were ruled by a man like Saddam Hussein you'd be singing a different tune.

We didn't kill millions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Or anywhere close. These numbers include Iraqis killed by OTHER IRAQIS which by far are Iraq's biggest problem. You cannot blame the USA for the mess in Iraq when those insurgents and terrorists and ISIS are made up of mostly locals.

Compare:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

USA is far far far better than Saddam Hussein. We aren't perfect and I admit that for whatever reason Middle East cannot get its own shit together, but you are brainwashed if you think USA is some monster on that level. Giving people democracy and having large amounts of the population shit all over it is way different than mass torture and murder of civilians that happened under Hussein.

Gee
I wonder who is behind this post.

Yes. America should intervene and bomb Fagalonians

>A democracy is being crushed by a monarchy as we speak but nobody cares?
can't tell if bait or actual mart sharter

>1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict
so if this conflict never happened, 1 million people would be still alive. never mind the fact that this conflict created ISIS to begin with. which caused even more death pretty much all over the world as well.

USA has intervened plenty of times successfully including in Europe itself which is now doing great. We never "mass murdered" civilians intentionally, let alone Muslims and we have plenty of Iraqis in the USA too, both pre- and post-Saddam. They HATED Hussein. And oil? Gas prices were sky high during the Iraq war and afterwards, if there was ever some oil boom every American missed it.

Most of those people are killed by other Iraqis, again, and you used the absolute largest number and the absolute broadest definition.

And this is all stupid because Spain is far far closer to Germany or France or any other Western Nation than it is to Iraq. At most we'd show up and have the Spanish King back off while people can hold proper elections and form a new country. Or we stand back and wait for Civil War.

>so if this conflict never happened, 1 million people would be still alive.
direct consequence of your intervention into another country on the basis of fake intelligence of said country having WMDs. so 1 million iraqis died because of 'murcah, like it or not.

Of course not, and we won't.

If you want it that way lets go all the way back to Ottoman empire and then its your fault.

USA didn't kill a million people. Insurgents and terrorists did. You also used by far the largest estimate on there and its still not "millions".

>1 million iraqis died because of 'murcah
You say that like 1) it's true and 2) it's a bad thing.

I literally feel the same!
Good thread!
>2017
>Supporting Monarchy against Democracy
KYS!!!

BTW I am not Brit, I am Hellene, and every day despite being a poorfag, I look at the some Brits and BEING GRATEFULL I was raised in a DEMOCRACY.

THE ONLY REFERNDUM SPAIN NEEDS IS ONE ABOUT THE MONARCHY.

More likely--we won't until its too late and already millions of Spanish have been killed in Civil War. We will then intervene, try to rebuild Spain/Catalonia, and be blamed for the whole thing.

Eat shit burgerclap

>meme country talking

No, we won't. There would be virtually no domestic support for any American interventions in Western Europe.
Stop being an edgy retard. Are you the Albanian that a bunch of other Russian flags were calling an autistic faggot?

>we should stop being the world police, fuck y'all will come back crying once we leave, maybe you'll stop shit talking us all the time and be a little more grateful
>okay, whose internal affairs should we intervene first, Spain's or Venezuela's?

>Should the USA intervene in Spain with all the bullshit that been going on there? A democracy is being crushed by a monarchy as we speak but nobody cares?
No, Hemingway. I mean maybe politically encourage them to calm down but that's it.

You have no proof that the US government is currently interfering or has plans to interfere in either country.
That was his only book I liked t'bh

First time burger is actually right . Saddam was a shitty pan arabist who did nothing but cause shit for his country, like any other Arab dictator. Why do you think they're so unstable if everyone loved them? Arab leaders have been shit, inefficient and corrupt, it reflects in their military and policites, while i wish nothing but death to israhell most Arabic leaders simply say use the whole Israel hate for populism and to keep their population under control. Trying to stop Iranian influence is what Saddam tried and he used US help to do it, which basically allowed the US to take a further grasp of the middle east instead of having it ruled by other middle easterners such as Iran

No, of course not. It's usually not the US government trying to humble brag and threat with "stopping being the world police", quite the contrary.
I'm just parodying a couple arguments I see the average American posting on this website every once in a while

Or you fuck off because it's none of your business.

>1 million people would be still alive.
Nice made up number.

Go prep a bull or something sven
How's Kosovo doing? Fuck you, stupid sharter

I unironically hold something like the former position. It would be good for us to stop playing world police.>Kosovo
Oh shit, it is you! Kek
Why did you bring up Kosovo? I didn't bring it up, it didn't go badly for us, and nobody cares what's happening there now.

I think USA can stop intervening in some cases but its hard to justify standing by in the Spanish situation where democracy is literally being violently suppressed.

So...? Do you really care? Mind your own business, you fat burger.

How is a threat to democracy not the world's business? Its not the middle ages, we live in a globalized economy. Support intervention or don't, but it is our business.

stay away from here desu...

Retard? Retard.
>USA has intervened plenty of times successfully including in Europe

Hasn't stopped the US from doing business with Saudi Arabia and other authoritarian shitholes before.
Let them get it out of their system

Why didn't you allow the Confederacy to exist then?

> democracy
When you ignore every regional and national law regarding plebiscites, which were drafted by democratic parliaments; when you organise a charade with no democratic guarantees or observers, where votes by anyone with a Spanish ID are accepted; when you call the police "occupation forces" and tell your people to resist them like Tuđman did, there's something odd with your "democracy".

This doesn't mean that sending riot police on Sunday wasn't a stupid move by Rajoy that made us look like a banana republic.

>invading a NATO country
>invading a friendly country on behalf of a leftist hotbed that will most likely hate us
Full retard

No step on sneck.

We own them, how is it not our business?

Spain is right in using force against a rebellious part of their country.

You should know that, Yankee

Democracy doesn't exist you fucking retard.
EU is the US' bitch.
China is the US' bitch.
Africa is jewish and Chinese bitch.
The us as a whole is jewish bitch.
Keep sending those billions to Israel like a good goy and don't ask many questions.

>I can't help but feel Spain has more in common with the rest of Europe vs Middle East and we'd be able to keep the peace there much easier.

You may want to talk to France about that Jimmy.

That being said, it's in our interest to not get involved.

they're your allies, you dumb asshole. and the catacucks are a bunch of commies.

I never said that. You're talking to multiple people.
How new are you that you don't understand that you're never talking to just one American flag? I'm pretty sure we make up something like 50% of this board.

The France which we rebuilt post WWII? That is currently first world?

And dont take this thread personally btw, I have nothing but respect for Spanish people. Its the govt I am upset with.

>How is a threat to democracy not the world's business?
Hypocrite, the US helped to orchestrate the coups in Latin America in the second half of the XX century.

/thread

Stop helping the scatalonian rebels. Then you can talk.

>We never "mass murdered" civilians intentionally

oh, did Dresden happen by accident?

1991, best year for exSoviet Republics.

Democracy is a constant struggle.

Corect me if I am wrong but weren't many of those people themselves Communist dictator etc who would have put Latin America where North Korea is today? Most of Latin America (outside of the druggie areas) is doing well compared to Asia/Africa (outside of Japan/South Korea where we also intervened).

I bet Venezuela really wishes that we had orchestrated a coup for them 10 years ago...hidnsight is 20 20

You got brainwashed.
Soros is the only one helping scatalonians after reading this.

>France
>The third terrorist attack in 2017
>15% of the population are shitskins
>First world

Any participation from America would only make the situation worse for everyone involved.

You dont get the french reference, it is ok. Maybe you should learn more about Spain before judging. Also learn about the US secession precedents, the court ones and the civil war...

Mexicans have more purchasing power than you.

Intervene?
Spain will deal with it, it's none of our fucking business to start with tbqh. Don't Americans have more pressing matters to address, like Puerto Rico and Houston?

Dude Russian hackers helped with the illegar referendum web, police is aware of the Russian tactics Scatalonians use. And several russian nationals have publicly stated here that russia is triying to send weapons. Wtf man, we are not drugsia anymore.

OP is just a low grade troll. I don't get why he got almost 80 replies in here.

Go and try.

If not for us, the whole planet would be a utopia. Pass the flagellum, please.

But if he got 80 replies, he isn't a low grade troll, he's a very successful one.

I would love to learn more about Spain, you have a long and interesting history. But if people in a certain area want to be free and govern themselves, it seems like they should be allowed to. And threatening the election with violence is too much. I'm worried it will get very very ugly in Spain and I think the presence of troops might encourage people to resolve differences peacefully.

The post was not about Russia though. Go back to Mexico if you love it so much.

>But if people in a certain area want to be free and govern themselves, it seems like they should be allowed to.
Are you one of those sovereign citizen types? Not memeing, just trying to figure out where you're coming from.

No, Catalonia has full rights Seperatism is ilkegal they are free to immigrate ifbthey hate their country, the US is free to invade Spain and meet their bombs and rifles.

You're being very rude to multiple people ITT.

Its just logistic support... For now

Whatever the OP may be, he was if nothing else very successful in flushing out all of the Mudslime diaspora on Sup Forums.

Some time I wonder if americans are all sociopaths playing a twisted game where they pretend to be the good guys.

I just find it funny that you think France, a leading world economy, isn't first world because rapefugees while you manage to somehow be shittier than Mexico while having an enormous amount of natural resources

No, I don't think so though I'm not 100% familiar with sovereign citizen movement outside of "AM I BEING DETAINED?" memes. I do think that if Texas or California or Puerto Rico wanted to peacefully leave the union then they should be allowed. Or like when UK voted to leave the EU. Even if it is an arguably stupid idea, should EU have sent in the armed forces to shoot Brits with rubber bullets? I hope not. Ireland left UK, the East Europe left Russia, why can't Catalonia do the same?

Spain seems so cut and dry in some ways because you have the people so excited about their independence and freedom, being able to vote, and a literal monarchy firing at them.

You're being fat to all the people ITT, think about it.

I agree this isn't quite a comparable situation to 1861 because the South did not secede peacefully, they fired on a fort.

We didn't intervene in Canada during all those Quebec secession referendums and that is much closer to home. Why then would Spain be of interest to us?

Wouldn't expect any knowledge of history from el americANO, you're a brown subhuman anyway.

You're much too reasonable for Sup Forums, user.

Did Canada shoot at Quebecois voters after they voted to leave?

Don't forget the millions of Muslims native to Russian lands.
>I do think that if Texas or California or Puerto Rico wanted to peacefully leave the union then they should be allowed.
They do not have that right, and thank goodness the USSC has declared that unconstitutional.
>Or like when UK voted to leave the EU.
There was legal framework in place that allows that.
Secession is illegal by the Spanish constitution.
I'm not fat. Nothing I've said is false, and you're relying on memes.
Think about your behavior.

You put yourself in your shitty situation.

We never cracked down on them and actually let them hold their referendum.

Check the numbers. If we asume the regional government participation it means that only 1 from every 3 citicens of Catalonia voted. Now it was illegal, unconstitutional, didn't meet the international standarts and had no control over who voted and how many times (ther are pictures of the same peope voting in at least 4 places)

Now that makes a 33% of the people deciding what the 100%. Do you even Maths Timmy?

I find very dishonest, iliterate and sad this kind of comments from a US citicen. Read John fugin Adams THIS is not a Democracy. Just tgink about the US in the same situation... You may wanna cean your house first.