Director Zack Snyder states, “We felt an interesting way of beginning this story was to examine Superman from another perspective, Batman’s perspective. Bruce doesn’t know who Superman is; all he knows is what the public knows. He blames him for the lives lost in Metropolis, lives that he felt responsible for. His hatred has been building up inside, and now, all this time later, he’s finding reinforcement of those feelings in the media.”
"For two years, Superman has soared to the rescue of countless victims around the globe and the world has praised his god-like abilities. But with unavoidable destruction in the wake of good deeds, the collateral damage from his efforts is finally causing many to question those who will only see what he can do, without debating whether or not he should. It’s a question he has even begun to ask himself, thanks to the machinations of one masterful mind hell-bent on his humiliation…and destruction."
“When we find Superman, he’s been dealing with everyday life as a Super Hero, but there’s a distinct shift happening in how his heroic efforts are viewed, thanks to the unintended consequences of those acts,” Snyder continues. “Every action has a reaction; one guy’s rescue leaves another in distress. We wanted to explore the reality of saving people and what intervening can really mean. The classic idea with Superman is that he’s a good guy trying to do the right thing and that he isn’t political, but in truth, in today’s world, it’s impossible not to be, no matter your intentions.”
“Superman is beginning to face the exact challenges Jonathan Kent was worried about,” observes Henry Cavill, who reprises his dual roles as Clark Kent and the Man of Steel. “The world is filled with fear after being attacked by aliens and literally shaken to its very core. Despite having what they look to as a redeemer, the people need to direct their fear at something. In the meantime, Superman is still trying to do right by everyone and ignore the slings and arrows.”
Like Affleck, Cavill is conscious of the worldwide affection for his character and the responsibility that goes along with it. “Superman genuinely matters to a lot of people,” he states. “The more people I’ve met since playing him, the more I’ve realized that the decisions we make in telling his story now and in the future must take into consideration their care and love for the character.”
“I think that these characters and stories are not only highly entertaining, but they provide a terrific example of what to do or not do, how to behave or not behave, and enable us to compare ourselves and our actions against them,” Cavill continues. “In the last film, the world was attacked by aliens and nearly destroyed. That event thrust Superman into the public eye, and since then he’s continued to try to do the right thing and get a closer connection to humanity, but he’s left questioning whether humans really want his help or not.”
Luke Fisher
fucking pleb
Brody Cook
That's nice and all, but why did the movie still suck?
Angel Torres
it's an allegory for destabilization and chaos created by american interventionism.
Xavier Sanders
What is the creative process behind the email character setups and the quip throwaround while they fight a big end of the world like CGI monster?
Jaxson Brooks
Fucking masterpiece
Benjamin Reed
>MUH SYMBOLISM
It ironically makes his work ever simpler and more finite, especially the way he's shoving it in.
Lucas Campbell
But certain arrows will be harder to deflect than others, and if Bruce Wayne, as Batman, is intent upon acting out a revenge fantasy on Superman, how might one describe his fellow industrialist Lex Luthor’s reasons for undermining the “red cape”?
As screenwriter Chris Terrio observes, “Both Bruce and Lex are billionaires, both are orphans, and both are obsessed with Superman’s absolute power. They have, at a point, the same agenda: stop Superman at any cost. But Bruce’s motives are basically good, while Lex is pathological.”
All three men—Clark, Bruce and Lex—are products of what was bequeathed them by absent fathers or memories of fathers who are gone, another theme explored in the story. Each man is struggling in his own way: Bruce, who is older now than his father ever was; Clark, who is righting wrongs for a ghost; and Lex, whose relationship with his father was…less than idyllic.
After what took place at the end of the previous film, it just might be plausible, the filmmakers posited, that Bruce and Lex would direct a common anger toward Superman.
Chase Edwards
>he blames the movie for his lack of good taste
Mason Cox
Marvel Marketing department on suicide watch
Brody Perry
The movie was great.
Ayden Turner
Maybe in the first two acts. The whole third act is one giant studio dump with marvel like cancer quips, an end of the world CGI monster and abysmal setups for other upcoming studio comic book movies.
Caleb Mitchell
Your skin is white and not poo coloured You don't have reddit, twitter, Sup Forums or videogame sensibilities
Brayden Foster
To be fair he has successfully reinvented the superhero genre, and created some of the best films of all time such as Watchmen and MoS.
He does this despite the game being rigged against him. he continues on without complaining. as a lover of cinema and intelligent thought provoking films i have a lot of respect for Snyder.
Jaxson Peterson
Having won an Oscar for writing Ben Affleck's Argo, Terrio says he's surprised to find himself now writing superhero films, but he's approaching them with an impressive intellectual rigour. As far as the comics go, he namechecks Frank Miller and Grant Morrison. But his reading is wider than just the nailed-on Bat-classics.
"For Batman V Superman I wanted to really dig into everything from ideas about American power to the structure of revenge tragedies to the huge canon of DC Comics to Amazon mythology," he explains. "For Justice League I could be reading in the same day about red-and blueshifts in physics, Diodorus of Sicily and his account of the war between Amazons and Atlanteans, or deep-sea biology and what kind of life plausibly might be in the Mariana Trench." At this point he may be superheroed out, however: he says he won't necessarily continue to Justice League - Part Two.
Easton Howard
>Bruce doesn’t know who Superman is
Fucking told every last one of you cunts that said otherwise
Lucas Ramirez
In developing the story of “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” the question arose as to whether or not such a Superman can openly exist in 2016, or if he is purely a creation of a more innocent time. Can all that he stands for survive in a world as complicated as ours, with so many competing and conflicting agendas and alliances? With today’s all-access 24-hour news cycle, how does one fight for global truth and justice without fear of indictment?
The filmmakers determined that after the details of a seemingly successful rescue are somehow turned against him, the world, too, begins turning against Superman—his country’s government and media, and even a fellow crime fighter, leading the charge.
“When we started talking about what would be Superman’s challenge for this next movie, we knew we couldn’t find bigger physical stakes than the destruction of the Earth,” Zack Snyder says, “so we had to make the emotional stakes higher. And who is a more worthy foil for a philosophical war than Batman? Once you say that out loud, it’s hard to go back.”
Eli Cox
Pajeet shills BTFO once again
Andrew Wilson
>With today’s all-access 24-hour news cycle, how does one fight for global truth and justice without fear of indictment? I love how people got offended over the movie using CNN even though what Snyder and Terrio really are doing is damning MSM
Joshua Collins
Snyder has created Superhero movies to fit in the modern age. they are the most realistic depictions of superheroes ever.
Colton Reyes
Marvel Creative Process
>And then ScarJo does this cool thing because women are cool like that and then the studios said we needed to tease Infinity Wars more so we added more cliffhanger scenes as to maximize potential profits.
Wyatt Torres
That sounds more like how Ayer wrote Suicide Squad but throw in some licensed pop songs and Will Smith smacking his lips every 2 seconds
Joshua Nguyen
This movie was too ambitious for it's own sake. You can't do philosophy and capeshit in one movie, people won't understand it. As it pains me to say it, Marvel is better at capeshit than Zack because they accept the genre is shit and they make awful shitty movies you can watch while looking at the phone.
Capeshit should be left to the Kevin Feiges/Michael Bays, the genre doesn't deserve a movie like this
James Myers
DC Creative Process
>And then Superman is Jesus because symbolism and then the studios said we needed to tease all the other upcoming movies so we added some expositional email character setups and side characters as to maximize potential profits.
Juan Walker
Being circlejerks who sniff Snyder's farts will totally get you laid
Hudson Phillips
>Michael Bays You don't know the first thing about cinema or art, Facebook movie buff.
Christopher Morris
Of course the genre can have movies like this and should have movies like this. I just think that the movie was released five years too soon and people weren't ready for a superhero movie that wasn't a quips-and-CGI fest. I hope Justice League keeps the same bold attitude as BvS. A Marvelification of Snyder films would be bad for all.
Thomas Reyes
It was great though. Can't speak for the theatrical cut though, which I didn't see.
Josiah Smith
>Marvel Creative Process >OK you got the Iron Man 1 template? Change the characters names, add quips. Focus test, ok it's shit, add more quips. Focus test, ok they like it, add some China pandering and that's it, good to go!
Kayden Perry
t. marvelcuck
this thread is for oscar winners only
Caleb Adams
>Batman’s perspective. Bruce doesn’t know who Superman is; all he knows is what the public knows. He blames him for the lives lost in Metropolis
And he is correct for thinking that
Austin Lewis
You didn't even read my post, so you can go fuck yourself.
Jason Perry
>A Marvelification of Snyder films would be bad for all
Suicide Squad was the second biggest commercial hit of the year after Deadpool, not looking great
Leo Bennett
BvS made more than Suicide Squad. Also BvS destroyed most everything in blu-ray sales.
Jordan Flores
how do i look this alpha and sophisticated at the same time?
Benjamin Gomez
>The classic idea with Superman is that he’s a good guy trying to do the right thing and that he isn’t political, but in truth, in today’s world, it’s impossible not to be, no matter your intentions.” Snyder makes the correct assessment and as such becomes the victim of his own foretelling.
Daniel Cox
>everything i don't like is trump! and this is why no one likes the media anymore
James Bennett
I really don't understand the hatred towards the email. Earlier in the film lex and the senator mention the Metahuman Thesis, which is basically "These people exist and are thriving and could kill us all without even trying". It would have been worse not to show anything. Plus you can see there are dozens of files in each folder, meaning someone has been knee deep in research for a long time. So can someone explain to me the autistic hatred you people have for the email scene?
Ryan James
oh so there was a process.
Gavin Rivera
You owe it to yourself to watch it desu. They really did cut out too much.
Hunter Ward
Like most anything in BvS, Marvel shills are desperately attempting to latch on anything that might give them a convenient "it's shit!" excuse without being forced to actually argue.
Logan Young
>DC Actually that's just the hack director and his no talent dp fault
For example the noland trilogy All the movies to me are shit, but its one of the best retelling of the bible I've ever seen and it's extremely subtle(save for the last movie)
Brayden Russell
Because it is the most lazy ass basic way of introducing a character. Literally on screen textual exposition. It's basically a sin in screenwriting, absolutely zero artistic value in it whatsoever.
Christian Ramirez
>there are people ITT shitting on BvS who unironically enjoyed Civil War Marvel Pakis have no shame
Hunter Gray
You shouldn't talk about your brothers like that, shitskin. Especially ones that do browse this board and make most of these threads twitter.com/TahirHawar96
Carter Roberts
>Marvel shill literally had to go make fake twitter accounts How pathetic. Stay in the Marvel threads Pajeet.
Juan Cruz
Then I guess I won't watch it.
Jackson Torres
Is this fake too? The one you shitskins would spam relentlessly last year to prove that both the OP movie and Suicide Squad were good? Or how about this one? twitter.com/GeekPride5/status/811066458042155008 Take your anti-white ideals back to Sup Forums
Carson Ross
I mean they cut out too much from the theatrical lmao
Hudson Morgan
It's realistic though.
Sebastian Richardson
Who the fuck even cares about these twitter accounts? Are Marvel Pajeets really this desperate for scapegoats they turn twitter upside down? What a dumb poo.
Jeremiah Richardson
But that doesn't make any sense. There are scenes in the theatrical which aren't in the ultimate edition?
Eli Martinez
Brown people have lower IQ on average, it'd be unfair to expect them to not only understand but also enjoy a movie like this. Marvel has them covered, the Trump of movies should focus on white people, just like the Trump of real life
Lucas Collins
Not you because you're not authentic to this board. It is proof that the capeshit and pleb parasite on this board is done by outsiders and not actual locals. This is something you should care about if you are true to our cause.
Bentley Thomas
Marvel Nu-males BTFO and literally on suicide watch
Ethan Butler
Reminder to report Marvel Pajeets who are just here to derail and shitpost.
Jace Gonzalez
Says the Marvel apologist who can't deal with actual good superhero movies.
Go wallow in your shit in the nonexistant Marvel threads since nobody cares about that shit.
Michael Martin
>the movie is so shit you have to come up with all these stories and behind the scenes shit so it won't feel that awful in retrospect damn imagine directing movie this bad and having to live with it
Chase Adams
It's great though. Best cape movie I've seen.
Henry Cook
damn imagine being a Marvel pajeet being forced to shill Kevin Feige's literal feces
Easton Wood
Now think about it. This is the exact same tactic they used against trump(ie accusing his team of X whilst the leaks showed that they did most of that stuff). There is more and more proof showing that the DC capeshitters on this board are the ones that have non-white skin.
>Marvel apologist We, the actual Sup Forums posters took care of them years ago when they tried to push this shit with their movies. You're next and as you can see with the post above yours, your friends are using Sup Forums tactics when they can't handle actual Sup Forums.
Connor Harris
Isn't that the guy who made Ghostbusters 2016?
Lucas Ortiz
>Marvel is actual Sup Forums No Marvel is literal cancer on the medium and Marvel alongside its Paki shills should be eradicated from this board once and for all. You've already ousted yourselves more than once by constantly posting cuckold Evans and Reddit images.
Brandon Gray
nah m8 all the marvel movies are also fucking awful but snyder capeshit is on other level of awful if anything Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are easily the best capeshits so I'm DCuck more than marveldrone
Kayden Evans
Sure, a man reading his emails is realistic, but it doesn't make a good movie.
Jason Barnes
Why are Marvel Pajeets so obsessed with BvS? Did the movie really frighten them that much?
Benjamin Martin
Movie's great though. I don't really care whether you liked it or not.
Connor Hernandez
You can drop the facade Pajeet, nobody's falling for it. Isn't there a new Thor you should shill?
David Gutierrez
>Marvel is actual Sup Forums Where does it say that, spic? >We, the actual Sup Forums posters took care of them years ago when they tried to push this shit with their movies Did you stop reading because I illuminated your grey areas about our art board? Do you fear old Sup Forums?
Luke Collins
BRUH
THE THEATRICAL IS TWO AND A HALF HOURS LONG
THE ULTIMATE IS OVER THREE HOURS
DO THE FUCKING MATH AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE TO WATCH
Nathan Cooper
>When the Marvel Paki thinks old Sup Forums would have ever approved of infesting the board with Disney shilling Marvel Poos are being exposed harder day after day. Won't be long before you are forever eradicated back to Twitter and Reddit where your shilling unwashed asses originated.
Adrian Ortiz
>I don't really care whether you liked it or not.
Well it sure doesn't like it after all of these posts and replies
Leo Cook
Well he made the mistake of even attempting to argue with smelly Marvel Poos.
Joseph Bennett
The complete film, obviously. Not even a question. Why would anyone watch an incomplete, slaughtered version of a film?
Cameron Wright
>Now think about it. This is the exact same tactic they used against trump(ie accusing his team of X whilst the leaks showed that they did most of that stuff). There is more and more proof showing that the DC capeshitters on this board are the ones that have non-white skin. Also another thing I've forgotten is the nu-male accusation. All of the whites we've uncovered (who also post here) who praise this director and his capeshit movies have been nu-males. Again you've decided to read only some of what your low IQ non-white brain can process. Nowhere did I say that >took care of them years ago when they tried to push this shit with their movies Your attempts to defend yourself and your friends are disgusting
Jayden Walker
>A Marvel Poo unironically went through the trouble of putting falseflagging accounts together They are really pathologically obsessed with this. How much is Disney paying you? In toilet rolls?
Henry Hughes
>le marvel boogeyman
sure thing buddy
Ian Gomez
Are you submitting to your superior now, outsider? You've just proven you're extremely new here too.
Elijah Parker
It's not a boogeyman when literally every thread has the same desperate reaching by the same Marvel Poos thread after thread.
Parker Turner
Nobody's falling for it. You can pretend to be some elite Sup Forums user when ultimately, you're here to shill shitty Marvel flicks for kids. Drop the act, Poo. Nobody's falling for it.
Jackson Diaz
I really liked this movie...still haven't seen SS or any Marvel movie since Antman...
Michael Parker
>different people notice the same flaws in a movie
wow what must be payed marvel shills right And then I can say that every thread has the same desperate reaching by snyderfags too about the on the nose biblical symbolism etc
Parker James
>that marvel shill claiming that marvel shills are the white ones
You can't make this shit up
Grayson Sullivan
>release shit >sequel planned before release >spend time between release of shit and sequel attempting to realign public opinion to get people to think shit is actually good >release shit again >repeat
Blake Bell
>all the proof is there >all the old Sup Forums ideals have been shown You've even outed yourself here as being someone extremely fucking new and now you're running around in circles to try and hide that. I'm starting to doubt you even came from Sup Forums or in fact any board on this site. Are you a twitter user, redditor or someone from Warner Brothers pr team?
Jose Baker
Holy shit the Marvel Poo literally won't stop. This is hilarious.
Leo Brown
Dude stop, Marvel is shit and your nigger mental gymnastics won't change that
Grayson Lee
What the fuck is wrong with these Marvel Pakis? Literally can't handle BvS even existing.
Brandon Cox
kek I didn't know Henry was only barely not a manlet.
Henry Flores
Why are you posting a Muslim sympathizer? Does this have something to do with your skin color being the same tone as the people he likes?This also brings up another question about this whole thing. Why do none of you seem know about our not very old at all quote unquote "meme" about him and his muzzie love? >Marvel is shit Where did I say it wasn't, reddit space poster? You're just simply the next target for old Sup Forums to get rid of and pushed back to Sup Forums just like the Marvel fans after Captain American 2
Ian Garcia
>90 posts >23 posters
sure a lot of samefagging going on here
Christopher Reed
Literally one marvel shill overcomoensating his brown skin
Nathaniel Hernandez
Ben is 6'4 and Gal is in heels. Henry, at 6" is at optimal biological and aesthetical height. Id suck his dick and im not even gay Snyders the only manlet, but hes ripped and not insecure so we cant make fun of him.
Julian Sullivan
I am pretty sure you wrote Marvel Poo atleast 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.
Tyler Smith
First post, now tell me about how Sup Forums won that epic battle against the marvel shills again. It was nore entertaining than Civil War
Thomas Russell
Yeah, Armond is correct in his assessment that Snyder is a "sly dog"
Elijah Russell
The fact that people appreciate this proves you wrong. Michael Bay is kino as well and proves you are plebeian
Xavier Brown
Love the movie, but it didn't feel like it had it's place, I understand that it was ther for the studio, but you could probably cut out that and the Wonder Woman parts.