Man, I was really disappointed with this movie. I watched Alien a couple months ago and I really enjoyed it so naturally, I was very excited to watch the sequel because everyone always told me, "It's even better than the original." I know realize that I must have been speaking to a select group of people who just enjoy action over all. That would be fine but this movie has aged horribly. I always try to keep context in mind when watching a movie but if they put all their eggs in the basket of technicality, it was the wrong thing to do because it is not charming, it just falls short. I sometimes think that people praising a film for cinematography can come off like a superior thing to see if its not deserved but one thing I enjoyed about watching Aliens was that it taught me that what made Alien good was not its cinematography per se but its art direction. It has such a distinct and beautiful atmosphere that I really missed in Aliens' generic mining facility type environments.
Also, think that the Ripley's relationship with the girl was pretty stupid but that's not what let me down about this movie compared to original.
Unironically the best movie in the Alien franchise.
Alien was obviously amazing for its own reasons, but I always liked Aliens much better.
I feel the same way about Terminator 2 versus 1.
And Robocop. You look a little out of breath, BITCH.
Hudson Nelson
I just felt generic to me. Is that because I didn't watch it at release? The xenomorph in the first one felt special because there was only one, you didn't see it most of the movie which created suspense, and they established a reason why they can't just kill it.
In the sequel, they kill a ton of them, thus making them generic and reduces the threat.
Alexander Garcia
I mean, they're just pretty different types of movies. The first is one of the best horror scifi films ever made, the second is one of the best action scifi films ever made. Personally I think it's down to which one you feel executed the premise better. You're right that the aliens weren't as "special" in the second one, but that was also kinda part of the point. I like the "creeping carpet of terrifying violent and inevitable destruction" and the whole hive thing.
Adam Miller
>guys let's take the alien and get rid of everything that made it unique. Let's have swarms of them just dying all over the place like flies because more is better right?
>Also get a child actor in there.
Lincoln Walker
I just feel like Aliens is neither a good action movie or sci-fi movie. It tries to be both and succeeds at neither.
Maybe it's like if you watched The Matrix now and it didn't know it came before. You'd think it is derivative. Space marines and stuff fighting aliens might have been fresh then but it definitely doesn't feel that way now.
Kayden Davis
The only good thing about Aliens is the continuation of Ripply as a character. EVERYTHING else is shit house.
Daniel Perez
Aliens > Alien
Brayden Ramirez
>can't even enjoy Aliens on Sup Forums anymore
Connor Gomez
there are good 80s action flicks. This is not one of them.
Jaxson Walker
This is a meme. Aliens is a 9/10 film at least.
Young members of Sup Forums are trying to be edgy by declaring it a bad film. Get some fucking taste or debate me on why you don't like it.
Great set, great performances, solid story, almost perfect action/horror mix.
Jeremiah Fisher
why? Because of Sigourney's portrayal of her?
Lucas Ross
Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?
Brandon Taylor
Not a meme. I specifically talked about its anemic art direction and bland sets and all you did was say it was "good."
I can't speak for other young people watching this but did it ever occur to you that people watching them objectively, free from nostalgia can see that Alien is worth its praise for not only its original concept but how well executed it is while Aliens is derivative and holds almost no value today?
Aaron Collins
>anemic art direction and bland sets
You have proved yourself to be a complete pleb. You probably liked Prometheus.
Adrian Ross
Ad hominem. Nice rebuttal.
Charles Williams
>What do you think of Aliens, Sup Forums? I think my major critique of Aliens is the motherhood angle. Ripley's strength in this one really comes via that supposed motherhood instinct which completely changes her nature from the first one. I think it's to the films detriment that her entire motivation is constructed around motherhood. To me it's very limiting as a character trait. For all its faults I'm glad Alien 3 does away with it fairly quickly.
Samuel Taylor
>Aliens >derivative You truly know nothing. I'm not even saying you have to like it as a movie, but you truly don't know what you're talking about.
Angel Butler
Did you enjoy Prometheus?
Ryder Johnson
>That would be fine but this movie has aged horribly. ok
Zachary Carter
I totally agree. It felt extremely engineered. When they can have a clean getaway with Hicks and she goes back to grab the girl, it made me so mad.
Jacob Anderson
He's just another contrarian teen (probably 16/17) trying to be edgy and cool by using a few phrases that he picked up from his favourite youtube reviewers. Aliens is a great film and to deny that is just going against the grain for the sake of looking cool on an anonymous board.
Julian Lewis
Yeah, I did. Debate does not have to be combative. It can be civil. You still haven't defended the generic sets of Aliens, one of many flaws with the movie.
Matthew Murphy
Alien > Aliens
Not much new to be seen in Aliens. Just more Xenomorphs. Plus a ton of sassy space marines. Same planet and visuals otherwise with that patented Jim Cameron movie feel.
Good, but not as immersive as the original.
Its more beloved than the first by many for that Jim Cameron blockbuster feel.
Eli Taylor
Regarding sets and looking cheap, etc, I think for its time (I'll stress that point) Aliens was generally considered a low-budget film compared to the first one. Which could be a reason why things feel a little more derivative than they could have been.
Adam Watson
Well,the fact that you enjoyed an overblown mess of a film leads me to believe that you find the sets 'generic' because you prefer elaborate, campy space operas over gritty action/horror sci-fi. Stick to Star Wars, kid.
Nathan Ramirez
I love Aliens, but Alien is better.
I also love T2, but T1 is better.
What is more, Alien Cubed Assembly Cut isn't as bad as everyone says. I only place it a little bellow Aliens.
James Garcia
they're still set up as threatening when they wipe out most of the team in the beginning though
Christian Kelly
>Look Mom! I'm a contrarian faggot!
Eat shit you dumb faggot. Yeah I'm mad.
Christopher Morales
How the fuck were the xenos not threating in aliens? >send a squad of heavily armed marines with top of the line weapons >they almost get wiped out in like 2 battles with xenomorphs
literally everything else in these two franchises included crossovers is trash
Also, Alien is subjectively one of the top 5 horror movies ever made. Also, Aliens and Predator are both objectively two of the top 5 action movies ever made ((the three others being The Matrix(objectively), Terminator 2(subjectively), and Die Hard(objectively, where Die Hard is also objectively #1 overall))
Also, just found out there's going to be another Predator movie next year. Mite b cool.
You're absolutely right. They're formidable and I'm not saying that they should not be able to be killed but it just doesn't feel as satisfying as I feel like to should to kill a xenomorph since it's all you wanted in the first movie. Also, because you have no idea how many there are and it never feels like you're weakening their numbers.
Grayson Wright
memorable
Landon Carter
>Not much new to be seen in Aliens.
I agree that Alien is overall the better film, but that is ridiculous. Aliens expanded the universe by a huge margin, for better or worse.
Gavin Powell
forgettable
Dominic Thomas
>People thinking everyone should give this much of a shit about their opinion of a 40 year old movie fuck no
Colton Jones
Not him, but I think you're right.
Now that you've made me think about it there aren't a whole lot of iconic or striking visuals in Aliens. People love it for its characters and set pieces.
Jaxson Torres
like what?
Hudson Rivera
It's strange to think of how the series would seem if Alien 3's wooden Luddite monastery setting was made.
The technocratic megacorp themes that pervade the movies may be easier for the audience to grasp.
I love to think of what creative ripples would result from a well executed version of Fincher's original vision
Owen Wood
You set of my pleb alarm
Carter Jackson
I think that's why I am being critical of the film. I just expected something very different from it so I kind of had to unlearn what I expected before I could start enjoying it and by the time I got there, we were reaching the end of the film.
I liked Hudson and the sarge. I like how they played off your suspicion of the android.
What was with them finding his milk blood stuff right before the xenomorph attacks the helicopter pilot?
Sebastian Flores
I would beat you with a sock full of soap for having such shit taste OP
Carter Cook
The Road Warrior RoboCop Escape from New York
Liam Walker
>send in armed marines >disarm them prior to entering an area teeming with xenomorphs
Blake Morales
Pleb
Daniel Harris
SNAKE YOU CANT USE WEAPONS ON THAT FLOOR
Jeremiah Sanchez
It's a fair point. In Aliens' defense, however...
>Initial rescue scene w blowtorch into the frozen space capsule of Alien >Drop ship sequence >Apone inspecting his badasses >Tension before first contact >Escaping through the red vents >"You always were an asshole"
But you're right, there's a shortage of arresting visuals that stands on their own
Ryder Ross
Fair points. I did like that opening with the blowtorch. It made me think about the human's ability to recognize the silhouette of another human knowing there were gonna be aliens n shet.
Jason Moore
>Get away from her, you bitch?
What will the teal-haired genderqueer blasian say in the 2018 remake?
Ian Taylor
Except Alien had better landing scene. Hell, it's one of the few movies (I actually can't think of any other) where the ship thrusters give one burst to get it moving instead of burning all the time..
Aaron Brooks
>Also, think that the Ripley's relationship with the girl was pretty stupid
Newt was the standin for Ripley's daughter who she never saw grow up
Caleb Brooks
You could have made your retribution true to the Alien franchise
>But ya blew it, lar
Xavier Long
It's not the same watching it anymore.
Jaxson Ortiz
;_;
Jaxson Adams
The movie is more overbearing and obvious about this than you literally explaining it.
Noah Taylor
Having really seen few movies with Bill Paxton other than A Simple Plan and Nightcrawler, I was really impressed with his performance in this.
Connor Walker
you forgot the part where they set up auto turrets and instead of showing aliens getting mowed down and blowing up you mostly just see the bullet counts on the computer displays going down, with a few shots of just the turrets firing
absolute kino tb h
Charles Cooper
and to only way to get away with the fact that combined 2000 rounds in 4 turrets didn't kill all 158 the most optimistic scenario for the aliens aliens
Christian Hughes
Every Vasquez scene made me cringe.
Chase Brown
sorry i dont understand this post at all
Josiah Flores
The scene where Ripley is in the elevator and making her rifle/flamethrower is kino. I love the look on her face when everything is ready. Compared to Ripley at the start of the movie, you know shit is about to get down.
Tyler Fisher
yes. started doing pushups as soon as she wakes up. The Little Sister from Shawshank dude in it was making me mad too.
Charles Miller
there were 2000 bullets in those auto turrets the top amount of aliens possible was 158 turrets fired 1990 rounds most of the aliens remained alive
they would either have to show lots of aliens dying in which case the numbers wouldn't match up or show the turrets fire into nothingness
Justin Martin
>Alien Cubed Assembly Cut Is that the Fincher Director's Cut? Never heard it being called that.
Matthew Harris
why?
the entire movie is kino. it's probably Cameron's very best. this movie is so obviously a masterpiece yet thanks to all these contrarian autists it is somehow becoming a pleb filter
Jeremiah White
I was wondering if these sentries paired with the setting inspired the ending of Half-Life 2 when you're in that prison thing.
Christopher Thomas
Alien feels like a generic B movie slasher film the way the Alien is used. Everyone is impressed by behind the scenes how they were able to make the alien look real by hiding it, but the final product is just jump scares and cut aways from the scares/action. Cheesy. The scene in the vents is standard horror movie cop out cheese.
Alien has great sets, great acting, and the android sequence was great. But it's pretty overrated.
Aliens feels more original and that alone made it more entertaining to watch.
Colton Morris
Vasquez is the only Colonial Marine I would trust to save my life.
Asher Turner
The only jumpscare in Aliens is the facehugger
Henry Wright
It's only ever called that. It's not a director's cut because Fincher had nothing to do with it.
William Stewart
ok. i dont know where you got the number 158 from. and either way who fucking cares. you know the aliens are getting mowed down but you don't need to see it to tell what's happening. it's thrilling in the way an action movie is but the choice to not show the aliens keeps the horror movie tension intact, and as you watch the bullet counts going down the feeling of dread grows. it's a great scene
Ryan Wood
Goddamn, the cuckmeron fanboys are out in full force today.
Thomas Bailey
god I fucking hate reddi/tv/ so much
Parker Cruz
Alien or Aliens? Because my post is calling out Alien for jumpscares. Aliens is much better.
Charles Powell
Welcome to r/kino. We have mt. dew and tendies
Aiden Perez
yeah probably. it's also pretty apparent that Starcraft would not exist if it werent for Aliens
Josiah White
Those are fair criticisms of Alien but your own post betrays itself.
Using the xenomorph as the "slasher" is a much more original take on the respective film's genre.
In Aliens, they just blow up stuff. Hardly innovative for the action genre.
Robert Reed
Fuck off Sup Forums
William Rivera
It feels generic because literally every action movie since has been imitating or aping some aspect of it. It was innovative when it came out.
Dylan Gray
>if it werent for Aliens
They'd just steal more from WH40k.
Luis Robinson
I think everyone can admit that there are movies that they like but they can admit they are not good.
I am honestly surprised by the condescension coming from people defending Aliens. I can understand if you like the movie but you certainly cannot call people who say the movie plebs. First of all, that's not a defense of this film and second of all, just admit that the movie is cheesy and bad. It doesn't mean you're not allowed to like it.
Grayson Green
>Alien really was good! >Aliens is a popcorn flick unworthy of its praise >Alien3 is the hip underrated choice (if you watch the right version) >doesn't mention Resurrection
EVERY. TIME.
Jonathan Hall
garbage threads like this one should be reportable
Charles Reyes
I mentioned this in previous posts. That really only gives Alien more ammo in this debate. It has not been made generic by other films release and time.
Joshua Butler
you're so fucking retarded it fucking hurts.
Nathaniel Baker
...
Julian Martin
I just haven't gotten there yet, user. I'm actually appreciative of this post because after watching Aliens, I was not very excited to watch Alien 3.
Kind of excited now that I know Fincher directed it.
Chase Martinez
>where you got the number 158 from
i think that's the number of colonists stationed there. Ergo, there can be at most 158 aliens.
Cameron Adams
Aliens really separates the plebs from the patricians.
Benjamin Diaz
No I mean every alien thread is these same opinions recycled
Landon Peterson
I FUCKING HATE NEWFAGS
Josiah Bennett
Way to defend your movie, my man.
Dirty Harry invented the hard boiled cop who doesn't follow the rules. If you watch it again, it doesn't feel played out from other movies trying the same formula because it has verisimilitude.
Caleb Bennett
>Resurrection
It looks nice to say the least. I have a soft spot for it because it was included as a trailer on a VHS I had. It's a pretty good movie until the hybrid comes along. The comedy didn't bother me since there really was no other direction they could've gone. Cameron fucked up by making the fabled monster into an easily killable drone. So when Alien Cubed came along, the tension just wasn't there since you knew it can be killed easily as long as you have a gun.
Leo Ortiz
sorry I ain't replying to you, I don't speak with the mentally ill
Lucas Robinson
Alien remake when?
Elijah Williams
I wish I could hold myself to the same standards.
Austin Morales
The parallel of two mothers fighting ultimately over the survival of their children doesn't ring any bell to you knobheads?
Jackson Scott
Aliens was alright for a popcorn flick. It was what people "thought" at the times back then, when there was hope. Alien 3 was to avant garde, but fits the trilogy with its bitterness of a post economical collapse and greed.
Jackson Hughes
>aliens is bad because it 'copies' all that cheesy action movie stuff The millenial faggotry in this thread i swear