I see your guys' perspective on a lot of things and I understand your beliefs to some extent. Something I will never get over and something that I know loses you guys so much support is the following.
Those of you who are bitter and sexless weirdos that berate anyone who has casual sex loses you so much potential support.
Why is this political? Why does that seep so deeply into your political views? And you're also wrong by the way.
So many of you are making statements of causation based on correlation with confounding variables. You would be marked wrong on your first high school stats exam for mistaking correlation for causation and yet here we are.
So I ask Sup Forums, why the fuck can't I just fuck around with my friends and other girls who I just met? What is wrong with me having casual sex and why do you hate me for it??
It's about birthrates op. You know, that thing no more Europeans have anymore?
It's about workable, proven traditional values. We need families not hookups, life long partners with kids not cohabitation with pets.
If we do not return to what worked then we will not survive.
Juan Edwards
>It's about workable, proven traditional values. We need families not hookups,
You can have both. That's like saying you can't eat chicken if you eat salad. It's utter nonsense and this abstract exclusivity to only one type of sexual relationship.
Juan Wilson
What I'm saying is that people hook up and then they end up settling down later in life. It's actually the norm.
Nolan Peterson
>That's like saying you can't eat chicken if you eat salad. A good thing doesn't cancel out a bad thing.
Yeah, great, you can do both, but if you're stuffing your face with shit food then you have a shit diet even if you occasionally eat a healthy meal.
Luis Hughes
Except this analogy doesn't work because casual sex is actually good for you if you take the obvious precautions.
Joshua Phillips
>What is wrong with me having casual sex and why do you hate me for it??
Nathan Scott
>casual sex is actually good for you "No"
Even shit leftists notice the trend that more partners means less happiness in marriage
Causes more chances for resentment, weakens families, and weakens communities.
Getting off is not important you animal-minded twat.
Ethan Jones
and by means I mean correlates, so don't be a pedantic faggot
Aaron Roberts
Quite obviously addressed that in my Op. Not surprised that you aren't someone with the ability to get through reading one post.
Already addressed the correlation.
Ethan Wilson
Distinguishing between correlation and causation is not pedantic, it's a fundamental difference. Your argument doesn't make sense in the first place.
Carter Scott
Casual sex gets you AIDS dipshit. Its a PSA not a hate crime
Xavier Sanchez
>I addressed that I'm not using facts in my argument >Why are you do stupid that you only use facts to make your point
Christopher Watson
>casual sex is actually good for you
No, it isn't.
Oliver Garcia
>I don't understand how correlation works >I submit that the complete opposite of the observable correlation is actually the case >I I refuse to actually provide a citation for this claim Yeah, you sure did address it.
Luis Perez
Lmao look up the rates for AIDS first, then look up the transition rates for penile/vaginal sex.
I already made an argument against those data, you failed to wrap your head around it.
Look at it this way. Correlation vs causation aside.
It's still smart for me to want a virgin bride, because all evidence shows I'm more likely to have a good marriage that way.
Eli Fisher
>Sex is good for you, casual or not.
So then why is rape not okay?
Daniel Long
I think some people aren't too serious about it, but some are because they are too insecure to think of girl having been with anyone else.
Ultimately I really hate those actual stormfront types they have zero sense of humor, are completely hostile to minute differences in ideology, and just generally unpleasant. I say this having had an account there when I was like thirteen. You're fucking Namibia shit is never happening you dumbasses, and any attempt to will only decrease the likelihood of an independent Afrikaner Cape
Oliver Reed
Hows that search going for you of an attractive virgin adult woman?
Jaxon Ward
>I already made an argument against those data Yeah that's not really how facts work. You can't just make an argument against facts.
Jaxon Young
That's an American thing. Don't blame Europe.
Parker Robinson
What a terrible analogy. If you fill up on salad, you can't eat chicken. If you even eat only a moderate amount of salad, you will not even desire chicken until what salad is in your stomach is all digested, and by that time all of the stores might be closed. (AKA your mid 30's)
Leo Bennett
It's simple psychology jabroni. If you have a bunch of casual sex, then sex means less and less to you, making you more likely to cheat. On the other hand, if you have sex only with your wife, then you associate that activity only with your wife. This creates a more profound attachment between you and your wife. I could go on with the basic psychology, but that should be enough.
Consensual is assumed with casual sex. Not talking about rape.
Cooper Martin
Hey, when your country is morally bankrupt, you can do whatever you want. Abject hedonism, the new American way.
Anthony Morales
Lmao show me the psychology literature on this user.
You actually did disagree. You're just moving the goalposts now. Thanks for playing.
Isaac Stewart
>correlation and causation is not pedantic
It's fucking irrelevant you mongoloid.
IF you choose to have casual sex, you will likely have an unhappier marriage, unhappier children, a cheating whore wife, STDs, depression, etc. etc.
Why the fuck would you take the risk? You are basically throwing your life away for 5 minutes of primitive, meaningless pleasure. You are no better than African niggers, you have no concept of deferral of gratification.
Colton Jackson
Please link the post in which I said sex is bad for you.
Protip: I didn't.
Wyatt Clark
>IF you choose to have casual sex, you will likely have an unhappier marriage, unhappier children, a cheating whore wife, STDs, depression, etc. etc.
That's not how statistics work. This study you're citing also was focusing on women and I'm a male.
Right here buddy. As I said, thanks for playing. Someone like you who can't admit he's wrong on something so basic will never argue genuinely.
Juan Ramirez
>b...but muh dick -the post
Wyatt Scott
this slut wants to be a whore, but wants to get treated like a lady haha, this is an age old tale, pick one or the otherbut you cant have both you are either the slut that every guy wants to fuck or you are the elegant broad that every man wants to wed and have children with, you choose bitch its a free country assuming youre from america.
Hunter Ortiz
>he thinks the success of the 50's was due to public shaming of sexual activity and not the entire rest of the developed world being destroyed 5 years before.
Lincoln Hernandez
Harder when debauched individuals like yourself keep pushing for everyone to have as much sex as possible.
Also nice way of conceding your entire argument is shit.
>Consensual is assumed with casual sex. Not talking about rape.
BUT YOU SAID ALL SEX IS GOOD FOR YOU!
Now you're backpeddling. Is sex good for you or is sex only good for you in certain conditions?
You also have never cited a single study or fact in any of this. You just make assertions and don't back them up at all.
At least your opponents use data. Scream non-causal all you like, it's better than pure rhetoric.
Henry Price
>That's not how statistics work
Your LIKELIHOOD of these things happening to you increases if you participate in casual sex. That's what correlation means, you dumb nigger. Whether or not its causal is irrelevant.
Yes, there is a chance that it could not happen to you, but why the fuck would you take that risk?
Jeremiah Hall
I did cite multiple studies and equating sex with rape to make a point makes you retarded. I'm clearly talking about casual sex. When people are talking about rape, they use the word rape and not sex.
Adam Gomez
>correlation does not equal causation I wish reddit core people would actually take a moment to to think about what this actually meant.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, but it doe provide evidence of some sort of relationship, provided your sample size is large enough. It's possible that relationship is not causal though, it can be that both variables correlate because they are caused by the same thing or they correlate because of two separate variables that happen to be changing in relative lock step despite having little to no relation, such as the decrease in violent crime and decrease in Brazilian rain forests or something.
However if a strong correlative trend is found and a reasonable causal explanation exists with no equally reasonable explanation for a non causal relationship, it's unreasonable not to accept the causal relationship.
In the case of promiscuity to reduced family stability there is no better explanation for the relationship than "an object in motion tends to stay in motion applies to be a whore" that I know of.
Lincoln Thompson
>thanks for playing >never argue genuinely Yeah, you've been making such an amazing attempt at honest discourse.
Not all sex is casual sex. To point to the risks specifically associated with casual sex is not to say anything about sex as a whole.
You talked about casual sex, I replied talking about casual sex. You moved to sex overall as it relates to specific physical benefits to which I offer no disagreement, this was met with faggotry.
Genuine arguments indeed.
Evan Gray
just get off of Sup Forums and go suck that guys dick youve been snapping your tits to all day, skank. your children will have a whore for a mother.
Isaac Collins
Lol you didn't even get to the second sentence of my post before you sperged out and ignored the rest.
There are multiple confounding variables in that same study. I am no longer responding to anyone who refuses to read my post before responding. I addressed this in the Op.
Sex is sex in the context of whether it's healthy for you. The studies are talking about sex in general and casual sex is a type of sex.
>It's a Sup Forums can't imagine a man defending casual sex episode
Hunter Brooks
>Those of you who are bitter and sexless weirdos that berate anyone who has casual sex loses you so much potential support.
You sound like a woman, desu
It's pretty simple: Casual sex leads to hypergamy, and hypergamy leads to internal strife and conflict within society as males focus all their energy into competition against each other. Hypergamy was fine when human "society" was tribal and scattered, and having the tallest and most dominating mate had very real advantages in survival.
But we're long past that now.
We created monogamy and marriage as a way of controlling female hypersexuality: This wasn't done to punish women. It was done to control men - to redirect male energy into constructive, rather than destructive, efforts. All it meant was 80% of men could get a wife and procreate, rather than 20%. For women, this is a travesty, as they don't get the best man they possibly could (even if it means sharing him with other women).
Biologically this artificial social construct of monogamy and marriage damages our genetic fitness, but we more than make up for that with the societies and technologies we create through envigorated male effort. Soon enough we'll be able to manipulate our genetics directly, and will no longer have to worry about genetic fitness the same way ever again.
Eli Phillips
>It's pretty simple: Casual sex leads to hypergamy, and hypergamy leads to internal strife and conflict within society as males focus all their energy into competition against each other. Hypergamy was fine when human "society" was tribal and scattered, and having the tallest and most dominating mate had very real advantages in survival.
Do you have a source for this, or is this just something you made up?
Eli Cox
>there's a strong correlation between time spent in the sun and rate of skin cancer
>hurr dur its only a correlation, you can't prove that UV radiation causes skin cancer, im going to spend as much time in the sun as I want
Literally you.
Xavier Murphy
>Sex is sex in the context of whether it's healthy for you. The studies are talking about sex in general and casual sex is a type of sex.
Right, which is why rape should be okay.
Because rape is a type of sex.
Isaiah Murphy
>I WILL NOT ACCEPT COUNTER POINTS I ALREADY MADE A PERFECT ARGUMENT AGAINST IT
wew
Jacob Perez
>I agree generally with what you guys are saying but take exception to you calling out my pet vice (weed, homosexuality, porn, casual sex, trannies, etc)
We are not going to compromise on the truth to get more support. I mean, let's just throw all our beliefs out the window and then everybody will support us, right?
John Lee
and then they get divorced after 5 years because either the wife or the husband simply cannnot cope with the married life, they have gotten a taste of what's out there after all
and then their single child will see this and become another emotionally detached morally uncommited person to perpetuate the cycle that's destroying the white race
feminism was the beginning of the end and sexual liberation is it's weapon of destruction
Gabriel Clark
It's pretty clear that OP is not going to change his mind on this one, no matter what we say to him.
Enjoy your shitty r-selected lifestyle, OP. Don't come crying to us 5 years later when your marriage is in the shitter and your children resent you.
Austin Morris
>Sex is sex in the context of whether it's healthy for you. The studies are talking about sex in general and casual sex is a type of sex. Yes, and it's referring specifically to physical health, whereas the major objection to casual sex in particular has nothing to do with physical factors.
Formal logical fallacies aren't that common, but you've managed to utilize one, congratulations.
Lucas Nelson
Different levels of proof. Scientists have a lot more evidence for UV from the sun causing skin cancer than you have for your argument.
You just flat out didn't address my point that was right next to that one. It's not just that it's a correlation, it's that there are several confounding variables.
>misusing r/K theory because you saw someone on Sup Forums do it
Cringe. I wish the people in my lab could see this
It includes mental health, you just didn't read all of it before posting. Not surprising, this is a really poor display user.
Thomas Ramirez
OP is up to 16 posts, and this thread is garbage.
Can we get rid of the ">1 post by this ID" meme now?
Sometimes it's better for OPs to not push their agendas in their own threads.
Mason Bell
>So many of you are making statements of causation based on correlation with confounding variables. Is that your way of going against data?
Jordan Watson
ITT: People who don't realize that the most important part about being able to *have* casual sex (and most all those who can have it *do* have it) is that you defacto must be socially and physically up to par, which means you have to be, at the bare minimum, a normally functioning human being (which virtually nobody on Sup Forums is). That is why casual sex is a good thing. It turns autists into autists who can actually approach people without sperging out. Hate the general paradigm, not those of us who manage to ride the tiger as it was meant to be done.
Keep fucking broads, OP The inferiority complex of these virgin (by virtue of their virtue, obv) autists will never fail to prevail over what should be the rational approach to the issue.
Jacob Cook
Yes yes, you're very clever.
Never mind that you've fallaciously thrown in extra terms to try and prove a point; it's other people giving a poor display because they can't keep up with your enlightened sophistry.
Eli Foster
Name one possible reasonable confounding variable that would explain the strong correlation.
Brandon Lee
>implying Sup Forums is one person
Jacob Nelson
i know i'm a prude but, sex is sacred and should only be done for the purpose of procreation. the fact that it feels good is merely a happy byproduct, if it didn't we'd be far less inclined to reproduce.
people seem to have this attitude that sex is cheap and children are a burden that should be avoided. hopefully you can see how this has devastating long term consequences.
irrelevant, the cause of someone desiring casual sex is still the same cause for unhappiness later in life.
the cause is you being a degenerate that wants to get his cummies now and doesn't think about how it will effect him later.
Adam Miller
>It includes mental health, you just didn't read all of it before posting. Not surprising, this is a really poor display user.
Your studies boil down to
>We think sex causes people to be more physically healthy, rather than healthy people being able to get laid easier
Literally your own cry of correlation but not causation in full view, just not applied when it suits you.
>We asked 4 doctors what their opinions on sex were.
I bet you I can find 4 doctors that say smoking is healthy.
>People who have sex are more sexually satisfied
What incredible research.
You are displaying confirmation bias 100% and your own arguments are pro-rape. You cant weasel out of it.
Isaac Murphy
I'm not going against the data, I'm arguing your use of the data.
Lol it's not my fault that you faggots have a basic tenet of your hivemind that is blatantly logically flawed.
The abstinence really is charging their anger. I remember how much less of a neurotic mess it made me when I first had sex.
Lol very obviously depression. One of the main symptoms of depression is inability to maintain relationships and growing distant. That same study shows that women on the right of the bell curve are depressed and have trouble staying in relationships. Not to mention the fact that the trend is not anything close to linear, so any causation by number of partners doesn't make sense.
I'm not saying anything with 100% confidence on causation here, but it's obvious that depression is a very likely causal factor for failures in relationships.
>20 out of 22 people agree on the same fringe view with the same shitty pseudo-psychology arguments that they learned from each other >not a hivemind
William Baker
better to die trying to raise everyone's standards than to wallow in the filth of mediocrity.
Christian Garcia
Lmao what do you think happens when women have sex with 7 or more guys? Do you think their soul just gets taken? Did you ever think that maybe the women with very few lifetime partners stay with their husband because they're ugly and no one wants to fuck them?
Oh right, attractiveness could absolutely play a role.
Tyler Williams
>he thinks the USA was the only nation that achieved great success after the war with traditional family values and culture
Oppose casual sex because, save the white race, and morality family values blah blah.
Won't get married because women are evil succubi.
Benjamin Torres
They also were not invaded and made out just about second best after the war.
Aaron Moore
>Those of you who are bitter and sexless weirdos that berate anyone who has casual sex loses you so much potential support.
because much of the west's problems are due to the decline of the family -- low white birthrates, high divorce, attendant moral degeneration. casual sex culture is the cause of this, because it results in all women only fucking the top 10% of alpha chads and the rest of men are unable to find an acceptable wife.
Brody Jones
>Lmao what do you think happens when women have sex with 7 or more guys?
The same thing that happens to people that abuse drugs. It fucks up with the way their brain responds to dopamine, serotonin and oxytocin so they don't respond the same way in the future.
Casual sex is no different than taking drugs.
Alexander Watson
no i think it makes them whores with daddy issues that rode the cock-carousel into their 30s only to find out that nobody wants an old used up hag.
have you considered that people looking for an actual partner to raise children with are instinctively more attracted to virgins?
Thomas Wilson
Wow, it's almost like Sup Forums is not one person you fucking newfag.
Xavier Evans
Good, we need some form of eugenics. If that means that you socially retarded weridos can't breed, then good.
Lmao source.
Muh feelings :^)
Justin Baker
I love how everyone but op addressed the biggest redpill in this thread
Keep on raging, faggots. Me and OP gonna keep getting it in because we're not total losers.
Luke Ross
this was london five years prior.
Landon Carter
no, you can't have both. with hook up culture, women spend all their lives until mid-30s fucking alpha chads. 90% of men are unable to get a woman who is at all attractive because they're all fucking chad, and won't stop and settle down until they're ugly and past prime child bearing age. no wonder men are less interested in marriage with them at that point.
Brody King
I've had plenty of casual sex and I still hate kikes, fags and niggers.
OP is a faggot.
Levi Stewart
>Muh feelings :^)
im sure strawmen will get you everywhere.
Lucas Evans
Made out a lot better than the rest of Europe.
That's your actual point. It makes you feel insecure because other men have fucked her.
>no, you can't have both.
Yes you can, it's very much the norm. People have sex, then they settle down with someone.
David Nguyen
It's really projection.
His main argument is he likes casual sex so it must be good.
He tries to cite some absolutely garbage studies while not realizing that they just illustrate his intellectual bankruptcy.
Levi Sullivan
>Lmao source
Explain how casual sex is different than taking drugs.
Lucas Lewis
Your argument (if you made one) is obviously not well-written enough for the anons posting on this thread to comprehend, myself included. Try again.
On top of that, read the essay, "The Fate of Empires," by Sir John Glubb. Sexual promiscuity contributes to the fall of empires.
The norm is getting divorced you lowly creature whose only concern is making your dick feel good.
Eli Sanders
Its not just about birth rates OP. Its about disease and degeneracy. I used to love gaming girls. I didn't realize what I was doing to my body, my psychology and the women I was with. This has a systemic effect and lasts for generations.
Even psychological issues you don't understand aside, there is an argument in regards to disease. You may get some flesh eating shit from Thailand that was brought back stateside by your bang buddies boss (she thinks he's really good looking, he's 37 and divorced), and your bang buddy girl needed to feel excitement and not dead inside so obviously she sucked his dick and he raw dogged her, because why not? Not to mention the herp she got 2 years ago from a black dude. You have that now. But you won't find out you have that for a while. Btw, literally everyone in your sexual circle has at least 1 strand of hpv.
Its ruining viable women, its some r/ selection bullshit. Please find an attractive woman, game her and make sure she wants to lock you down. Then stay with her. Both of you get tested, and you have to tell her about your obviously infected dick btw.
Grayson Sanders
>Yes you can, it's very much the norm. People have sex, then they settle down with someone.
women settle down with a man after they've been used up fucking chads every night, and then eventually divorce him because they can't accept not getting the best anymore after they've spent their life getting it. that isn't sustainable.
the fact is 90% of men have no chance ever having sex with or being in a relationship with an attractive women because they're all fucking the top 10% or even 5% of super alphas. this isn't a good deal for men, so of course men should oppose hook up culture.
Leo Evans
this is literally the first i have heard of it. i think ms.whateveryournameis is projecting things from your real life onto Sup Forums maybe we remind you of your dad or some guy who wont give you the time of day idlk
point is no man would ever give a shit if some one thought him having sex was bad and your little mental break down is best restricted to /r9k/ or maybe Sup Forums
James Flores
>People have sex, then they settle down with someone.
And then half of those marriages end up in divorce. Wonder why? Because statistically the longer a chick has been on the cock carousel, the more likely she won't find satisfaction in her marriage and end it.
Landon Ward
The levels of NTs you're talking about are hugely different. There is evidence that drug abuse causes brain damage and NT regulation issues. There is nothing to say that sex does the same thing.
Grayson Walker
Also OP, believe it or not, some people actually still believe that we aren't fucking animals whose only purposed is to act on every impulse. If you believed you had someone to answer to once your time on this earth was done, you would be concerned with having to answer to them when you didn't do what they said.
Nathan Anderson
Or because it's way easier to get a divorce now. Both of you don't seem to be aware that casual sex is on the rise, but marriages that end in divorce has been down for a long time. Not to mention that the top reason for not getting married or having kids today is financial insecurity.
Noah Lewis
>there is nothing to say that sex does the same thing.
Is there a study saying it doesn't?
Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Josiah Myers
I never understood why you faggots care about sex so much. It's just momentary pleasure anyways. There are greater things in life.
Dominic Adams
God forbids fornication and adultery, Sup Forums is a Christian board. Degenerate.
Leo Cooper
Lol right but I dropped christianity as a child because like many kids, I decided it was completely illogical nonsense to believe in and base my life around a Roman jew myth.
Leo Lopez
>Made out a lot better than the rest of Europe. literally every country that wasn't occupied by communists recovered by 1950 you retard. even west germany was having an economic boom post-war
>That's your actual point. It makes you feel insecure because other men have fucked her. now you're projecting. i literally do not care about whores that decide to ruin their own lives. at best i feel bad for them.
but maybe thats because I'm a well adjusted adult that isn't all too interested in sex for the sake of sex. I'm interested in raising a family and that tends to make me unattracted to women who sleep around both sexually and emotionally.
Jayden White
And this af
The norm is degenerate, anti-depressant fueled hell. Do not be a slave to your urges or to absurd, corruptive social standards op. The norm is killing western civilization.
Christopher Clark
>he wants proof of a negative
No one has done that study because one of our basic functions obviously isn't the same as being a crackhead. I accept your inability to argue as an admission of being wrong.
Ryder Wood
You're a fucking retard.
I remember the last thread you started on this.
You tried to use this 'data' too and ignored the fact that the number of marriages is down.
Just kill yourself. You show you have absolutely no ability to revise your arguments.
Not a single person was swayed by your last thread, what makes you think this would be any different? If anything the fact you keep trying to shove the same bullshit and expecting different results shows you're an idiot.
Angel Reed
Then you are in open rebellion against God. You are a slave to your own sinful impulses, and are powerless to stop. Don't come looking for justification for your actions, you will answer for them alone.
Evan Davis
If casual sex is good for you why is it correlated so strongly with depression? Isn't the reasonable explanation that promiscuity is initially sought as a ineffective solution for a perceived lack of validation that causes an addiction to the fleeting sense of pleasure of "oh he thought well enough of me to fuck me" that results in unstable relationships as the fleeting feeling needs to be sought out again?
Also >all relationships are linear Are you retarded.
Unless you're a 3/10 male or a 1/10 woman you can have casual sex. It's not very difficult to do, because the ugos just have casual sex with each other.
Jose Cox
>he's on Sup Forums enough to recognize a thread made months ago
