TTIP and wheat production in Italy

>ilfattoquotidiano.it/2016/07/11/produzione-grano-agricoltori-contro-industriali-si-accollino-perdite-stop-ai-prezzi-da-discount-a-causa-dellimport/2891657/

Wheat price dropped of 31% since last year and now production is not profitable animore.

300.000 farms, specially in the south are likely to close if this continues; 2 million ettars are at risk and there is no alternative, only desertification.

Still there are no regulations on importation or storage: 40% of wheat intended to pasta or bread production is imported and this is a less regulated and of a lower quality overall.

From wheat to bread prices rise of 1450% and from wheat to pasta 400%

Italy can't survive with this reckless globalism and free trade and if the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) passes this can only get worse.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

Globalism was lauded as the cure to a failing post war economy but all it does is to increases widespread poverty. agricultural collapse is at stake.

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daily reminder globalism was done for the benefit of businessmen, banks and corporations

European agriculture cant compare to the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina, we will have to deal with it on a longer watch.
Right now our farmers can only exist due to subsidies and protectionism, if we keep this up it will end up the same way than with coal mining

>implying Renzi cares
You have the option of voting lega, but most people won't because huur it's rayciss

>Globalism was lauded as the cure to a failing post war economy but all it does is to increases widespread poverty. agricultural collapse is at stake.

>t. Most unproductive nation in Europe

The EU did the same for olive oil, when it was imported from Tunisia. We could sustain ourselves without having excessive importations imposed. But as always, italian farmers' interests are disgregarded.

>From wheat to bread prices rise of 1450% and from wheat to pasta 400%

wow. I never even thought of the markup. That's insane.

Some things are worth protecting. If we allow our arable land to degrade through neglect we are at the complete mercy of others. IMO strategic industries should be propped up by the government, if not nationalised. Another benefit of being out of the EU is we can now bail out and protect our industries.

Its Okay we produce so much wheat here that the gov pays us not to we will just sell you some and make all your troubles go away. Now how about letting us have another base in Italy so we can store more long range missiles there. Got to be prepared for those pesky Russians.

With globalization making everything cheaper elsewhere and automation, no one is going to have a job in the future

>Most unproductive nation in Europe
>we are the second industrial nation after Germany

>the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina

funny how a couple years ago we were importing wheat from fucking burgerland

srsly, these kirchneristas fucked us so bad

Pretty scary desu lad. And no we can't all be doctors and inventors.

>European agriculture cant compare to the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina
Maybe if you're shit at farming and unproductive.

We aren't even allowed to use GMOs and we compete just fine.

I know it can't compare but at stake there is a good percentage of the south workforce. i mean 300.000 farms? how many workers per farm? only 10? well thats 3 million people.

if the price continues to drop the next step will be hiring immigrants wich work for less, maybe unreported employment, maybe not.

at worst we lose 2 million ettars of soil forever

>Italian farms are literally razing themselves because America's are better
Such is hegemony.

Ideally we'll just introduce a super virus into the population to wipe out all the unnecessary people and free up some space.

>lega

Only idiots would vote lega right now.

Is this a ploy to bankrupt farmers so the big guys can buy the land up?

They need to process and produce the final products or even create outlets of their own.

>if the price continues to drop the next step will be hiring immigrants wich work for less,
And this will do wonder for our already Spain level unemployment

t. M5s voter
Have fun being EU's bitch and losing all key industries

Ho votato casapound alle comunali.

I'd rather prefer they just planted barley, poppy and hemp to be honest but whatever.

Non sono molto informato su casa pound francamente, ma non credo abbiano una chance a livello nazionale

Your averange farmer in eastern germany or southern italy cant afford investing in new technology, the subsidies barely are even enough to keep the buisness running

Same already happened to Finlands production of sugar root. It is happening also to meat- and dairy industry as well.

>Finland produces cleanest, highest quality milk in the world
>Welp too bad. Central european countries have saturated the market with cheaper, lower quality product.
>Also not allowed to trade with Russia no more.
>Fuck Finland and their economy. Here, have some muslim immigrants t. Brussels

EU was a mistake and we needed to get the fuck out 10 years ago.

then there must be state investment. Instead of wasting 64 billion euros in tax payer money to save Aferica, we could invest it in saving our industries

>ilfattoquotidiano.it/

into the trash it goes.

if everything is getting cheaper then why the fuck is our food so expensive?

It's a Coldiretti study

Liberalism at work.

Good job sucking free market dick assholes. Enjoy being poor.

It really isn't.
Compared to the rest of the world food in EU is damn cheap

oh gawd, I sure hope this is bait

I was hoping for Ebola to be that form of salvation. Think about it; literally virus that spreads with shit and blood. If just it had reached India.

you linked to a trash journal. Give me a valid source or I'll call it bullshit. I'm against TTIP in general, but you can't give me Grillo's Journal and think that I will take it seriously.

He's right though, TTIP will buttfuck everyone.
Forget about economic protectionism for a minute here, can you imagine life with ISDS where burger megacorps to control our laws?

That's old news, EU destroy agriculture of whole Europe to replace it with American GMO and Chinese crops. Same thing with supermarkets, they lower prices as long as they conquer the market and you can't compete with them, since they risk supermarkets and billions of money to conquer market, all international or German companies. We have small towns of 5000 people where 5 big supermarkets constructed their buildings, you know well only max 2 going to survive. Farmers in EU lived only from subventions and repairs from elements. I had driven around and got offers from farmer to give me potatoes for free, since he will have more expenses transporting them, so if i come pick them up, which i did, then he doesn't needs to dispose of them. Such is life of native farmers.

I don't say it's wrong, I'm saying that is not a valid source.

coldiretti.it/News/Pagine/136---24-Febbraio-2016.aspx

you have some cheaper stuff and some stuff that costs 70% more, yet you make 2x as much money, so yes food is pretty expensive here

And subsidies are solving this how, exactly? You're keeping unprofitable, dead-end businesses alive that have no chance at ever modernizing. Especially the Italians and French are notorious for not modernizing their industries. It's not just food, either.

Enacting TTIP would be a fucking disaster for everyoen involved. I doubt it will be an issue any time soon though. EU can't take more hits to its popularity right now, and TTIP is massively unpopular.

solution is universal basic income youtube.com/watch?v=BvgdtF3y0Ss

>yes goy, sell your unprofitable land, we'll but you out for pennies...

>massive unemployment
>massive immigration of unskilled labor
>yay let's give free money to everyone, what could go wrong?

How would this even work?

European agriculture is a joke. Inefficient and subsidised absurdly. Eg average german cow farmer has 35 cows average new zealand farmer has 315 and even after shipping the product around the world twice still has a lower carbon footprint stick with things your good at

It would work in a growing economy since it would stimulate consumption.
It doesn't work if 50% of young people don't have a job and you already have 50% taxation on personal income, as well as a receding economy

letting capitalism run rampant was a mistake. you know this when there is dire need for food one day but you cannot get it as your own area/country has none of them for not being profitable enough. then you have to become slave to another country or power or go to war with them

rampant socialism was a mistake. rampant capitalism was a mistake. both end up being promoter of enslavement of the europeans

exposingtruth.com/new-un-report-finds-almost-no-industry-profitable-if-environmental-costs-were-included/

"The report found that when you took the externalized costs into effect, essentially NONE of the industries was actually making a profit. The huge profit margins being made by the world’s most profitable industries (oil, meat, tobacco, mining, electronics) is being paid for against the future: we are trading long term sustainability for the benefit of shareholders. Sometimes the environmental costs vastly outweighed revenue, meaning that these industries would be constantly losing money had they actually been paying for the ecological damage and strain they were causing."

Personally I blame the boomers.

Hey look its Owen Jones
> Supports the implementation of benefits and welfare
> Slags off the unproductively of the citizens in that system while praising those not "beneficiaries" of it.

see what I'm getting at?

Personally I blame globalization

>globalization

Boomers made it happen.

Yes goyim.
Its the boomers and the globalization

The thing is that world should not be ruled who can easily be corrupt but science and facts.
We should start using technology like blockchain that's very hard to manipulate to keep track on our resource use.

Now this is much better. Stop giving bullshit source, it will damage us anti- TTIP.

>benefit of being out of the EU is we can now bail out and protect our industries.

Protect busyness from competition means it's rot and degradation. Ms Tatchet didn't teach you anything.

I guess this is the same for farmers all over Europe

>Danish farmers
>Business not going well, needs EU funds
>EU rules make farmers life even harder
>Farmers shill for EU because they get money from them
>??

I can't take this fucking globalist bullshit anymore.

>live in state of gold billion based on liberalism and free market
>hate liberalism and free market

Does not compute it

Pidorashcus vulgaris as is

The ride will never end.

me too bro, me too
spaghetti is my favorite food
I always buy packs of Giuseppe Cocco Angel Hair pasta fresh from Italy

It will only get worse bros. im so fucking done with all this globalist shit im telling you.

TTIP must go down. Globalists must be named and indicted because they don't stop until they are, personally, stopped.

thats the point. im not sure if you father has had the talk with you yet and its not my place to do this but...

99.999999999% of all economic recoveries are just spread sheet bloat from inflation and currency devaluation. even when every one wall street included says your currency is worth the same amount companies charge more over time for lots of things so at the end of the day the currency is actually less valuable.

we call a general evaluation of a currencies actual worth in the market place buying power and all western nations have shit buying power because they have had to deal with more "recoveries" because they have played a role in the global economy from the start of fiat currencies

why are you against the ttip?
if it pass, you burgers should be able to fuck us even deeper with your low regulated exports.

You should also include the "quote latte" and hope it doesn't pass, the "quota vino".
>TLDR: farmers can only produce a certain amount of product, if they exceed it they have to pay FUCKING LOTS of money (the excess must be destroyed)
this is fucking retarded on so many levels

Globalism is bad period.

> Wheat price dropped of 31% since last year

You say this like it's a bad thing. Low prices are good.

if your agro sector can't compete it should go down. state sponsored agriculture is bullshit and should be illegal, deal with it.

I don't really care what happens to them, they can use corn flour for their pizza for all I care. I live in America and it's not my problem. They will just have to make due like the rest of us or die, seriously this is what we face over here. I don't need anything from that country any ways, fuck'em their banks are finished from corruption. Don't worry though we'll get ours soon enough...

is this english?

Prices are low for the companies that buy tonnes of it, which means the farms that produce it earn nothing. Then the final product that people consume (bread or pasta) is more and more expensive

Globalism is bad, so is TTIP.

But agriculture has been by default an economic loss for the past 10 years, at least.

The problem is within you, because you're backwards ass people, incapable of emerging from your comfy little shell. Italy has all the potential to fill a very solid economic void right now, the only problem is you want "muh people who say it as it is" in government, back to the traditional economies that just make no money any more and a policy that doesn't make you have to go out, be creative and compete with others.

Oh boo hoo, having to compete with other people makes you have to skip your afternoon espresso and need to work?

Fucking lazy bastards.

come on what are you saying.. do you prefer italian wine or turkish wine? italian extra virgin olive oil or tunisian one? italian durum wheat or the fucking american one?

olive oil, milk, cheese, wheat, wine, apples, oranges, pears and all the mediterranean vegetavles and fruit should all be strong exports in italy instead these are not even properly sold in italian soil

nice stereotypes. italian farmers are everything but lazy

>muh key industries

Sure, vote lega, vote m5s, enjoy being lazy and slowly seeing any sort of living standard being drained away.

No, you're all lazy bastards. Because you are suddenly faced with a more open market and competition even in sectors where you traditionally dominated and you suddenly want everything to go your way.

I got bad news for you Mario - competition is tough. If the other country can produce more wheat at a cheaper price and comparable quality, you're fucked. You have to take it like a champ and refocus on high-quality pasta or whatever.

Germans are starting to beat you in cars?

Find a niche, fight them in it.

But no, you just want lega or whatever to magically bring back the old times where they were good and the new where you need it.

while I find TTIP and free trade to be inherently evil, the ISDS provision is the least of TTIP's problems. Most cases are settled out of tribunal, and those that are taken to a tribunal usually end up in favor of the defendant. Furthermore the damages tend to be rather low except for a few high profile cases.

This. Increase corporation tax and top rate tax to raise extra money. Scrap current bennies system and red-tape that goes with it.

>corporations and the wealthies leave the country for some place that has some inhabitants

Frexit when

>exiting your own creation

God I despise you frogs

Does this mean I can buy a Tuscan villa now?

>lelgium

maybe that's just me but I think protectionism of one own food production is very important for various reasons.

>implying you're not a bigger joke than Belgium

How's all that debt going?

It's only a matter of le pen and frexit, right?

Shut it, you weird, loser cousin. The grown ups are having a conversation.

>t, non country

>France
>grown ups

Not your cousin froggie.

Go surrender to an Algerian.

>cousin
wallonia is getting a genocide, kill yourself pierre

>bad-mouthing your own country

Lel

> Call me maybe
youtube.com/watch?v=aTZzk-_Qh4o

just start put some "cruelty free 100% vegan no ubercolorants etc etc" and sell it 10x price to some ignorant faggot, works fine and you dont even need to mass production shit

Wtf I love the TTIP now

B-but Luigi, that would require work and creativity and discomfort.

Can't I just vote M5S and have them fix it?

>try to trigger a person from a country full of immigrants with 0 nationalism and literally no one liking Brussels
>"I know! I'll post something insulting about Brussels!"

I thought you were cleverer than that, Adolf.

If euro edible products are that great we just need somebright spark to export them where people are willing to spend for good products
Aka china