Really makes you think

> there are more ethnic germans in america than in germany

Stfu they're culturally American.

there's still rampant racism against ethnic Germans tho

>calling a soccer coach bad at his job is xenophobic

germans in america: 46,047,113 (14%)
germans in germany: 64,918,803 (79%)

> implying half of germs arent poles

"American" on the census is code for "I'm probably of British ancestry but I don't know/care"

they're not tho
all the Polish surnames in Germany that say they're German came here hundreds of years ago
some current Germans are half-Polish because they have Polish mothers (and some fathers I guess) but not half of them

>suuck
:thinking:

Same goes for the irish so please bully them instead

Same with Scots, Swedes, and probably Mexicans in the future.

Im pretty sure that guy was trolling

Old Stock American, probably mostly English with some Ulster Scots, German and French.

>ETHNIC
>AMERICANS

My parents probably checked German(I was only like 14 in 2012 when this was done) but I am probably as much English and Scotts-Irish (British descended protestants in Northern Ireland). Just keep that in mind, German is the one that stands out more so people are more likely to choose it. German culture has been ingrained and mixed into American society, its not like you have these people who are culturally German and different people who are culturally british

good

fuck krauts

>Self Identified
Yeah, heres where there were actual Germans in 1850 before it was cool to be German.
The ones outside of the dark areas of the map are probably full of shit

and Dutch, also every actual New Englander WASP family has Dutch ancestry at the very least

>Spanish

Spaniards or """"Spanish""""?

Germans emigrated to here primarily from 1850-1900 during the Midwest/West coast landgrab phase, especially in exchange for service in the Union army during the Civil War.

Whatever """"ethnic Germans""" exist here, they've been intermixing for approximately 5 generations already. That's 5 opportunities to choose a non-German mate over a German one. The fact that we went to war with Germany in both WW1 and WW2 meant that intermixing OUTSIDE of one's group was actually accelerated because of the increased social pressure to prove that one was not a fifth column.

-t. has a German surname but the rest of my ancestors were from the Netherlands, Sicily, Poland, and Scotland

no one here identifies as Lutheran

If it's more of a choice thing like everyone says in this thread, why do so many people chose to call themselves german?

1850 was the beginning of the boom, and also more importantly, before the Civil War. See Pic related is 1872

Yeah my bad. Dutch as well but thats concentrated in the north, while the rest are pretty much throughout (French Huguenots and German Palatines pretty much contributed to every region from Georgia to New York).

to piss off their Anglo-Jewish rulers probably

But we aren't talking about you, a German in 21st century Bundesrepublik. We are talking about Germans in 19th century United States, who very well would have identified as Lutheran.
GTFO dumbass Kraut

not really either, we call protestant beliefs "evangelisch", lutheranisch or stuff like that was never said

>pre-industrial German immigrants > post-industrial German immigrants
>Pennsylvania German = good
>"""German-American""" = muh heritage

the law of the land

Alright I stand corrected. The German descendants who aren't descendants of Ghetto immigrant peasants are in those areas.

in the 1980 census it was 49.6 million english, 10 million scottish, 1.6 million welsh, and 49.2 million german
in 2010 it was 27 million english, 6 million scottish, 5 million scotch-irish, 1.9 million welsh, 20 million just american, and 43 million german
overall british dropped by about 2 million, while german dropped by about 6 million. can we please end the "americans decided being german was trendy" meme now

yeah because immigration stopped in 1850. between 1820 and 1850 there were 600,000 german immigrants
between 1850 and 1920 there were 5,000,000 german immigrants

the ones who immigrated were almost entirely lutheran

wow, why did nobody ever talk about the English American genocide?

>we
So you're an 18th century German settler in the British Colonies? Cool, you must be really old.
As someone who knows something about US History, you're wrong. The churches here have called themselves Lutheran since before the USA has been a country.

mel gibson committed it

Seriously tho this confuses me.
Americans seem to hate us pretty much so why would they identify as one of us?

>yeah because immigration stopped in 1850. between 1820 and 1850 there were 600,000 german immigrants
Most of the people in my map were not descendants of immigrants to the USA, but settlers in the 13 colonies, exception is Saint Louis area.
But yeah, all Germans who settled in the USA during that time were Lutherans from the Palatinate, the Kraut doesn't know what hes talking about

Reminder that having a german last name makes you a kike.

t.superior northern italian/ligurian master race

Dont flatter yourself, they're not identifying as one of you.
They are identifying as German American, i.e. someone who was smart enough to leave your shithole of a country.

Just like the DNA in the Med region aren't clear cut, the same is true for Northern and central Europe. East Germans are very similar to Slavs.

>german americans
>german

You know, it's actually an uncertain shitshow. New Mexico (the state) was land that was ceded to us by Mexico, obviously, as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. End of Mexican-American War.

The interesting historical issue at that time is that while our army had conquered all the way to Mexico city, our legislators in the Senate and House of Representatives actually did not want to annex grand swathes of Mexico for racist reasons. They literally said "we cannot expect the brown hordes to be able to handle democracy," which did have some merit because Mexico went from Spanish monarchy in 1820 to Mexican monarchy from 1821-1823. Mexico claimed it was a republic from 1824 onward, but President Santa Anna was a military man. Then the war happened in 1846, and we arrived at the position of potentially annexing a shitton of land but also a shitton of Mexicans.

In the end we only took the land with sparse population, which mostly meant deserts with Spanish misiones católicas. Mexico was allowed to be free after that point with its population mostly intact (we both lost a lot of people to disease during the war though). Ultimately the result is that Mexico ceded a lot of resources like gold on that land, as well as the people who lived in Texas (which was the origin of the war).

tl;dr: there's actually a very high probability that New Mexicans actually identify as Spanish because of history.

to be fair, and I think you're also the one making this distinction too, a lot of later urban immigrants from German countries or Germany itself depending on when they came, who also tend to be more Catholic, do actually identify as somehow related to the modern state of Germany. That's why it's a shame that Pennsylvania German/Dutch culture and identity tend to be overlooked as it directly looks to the colonial context of their heritage

>t.superior northern italian/ligurian master race
98% of the guidos we received were terrone, so you're probably actually a terroni.

This. Not everyone that has a German surname is a descendant of immigrant Ghetto Catholic trash.
Palatine German settlers(such as Pennsylvania Germans and Carolina Lutherans) are way better. And as you said, they dont cringely identify with modern Germany

I'm not. My great grandfather was from genoa and my last name is a northern italian one. If it ends or e or i it's northern. Stop getting all your information about italians from pol, amerikike.

>They are identifying as German American, i.e. someone who was smart enough to leave your shithole of a country.
You're downplaying the variety of reasons that people emigrate. It boils down to 3 main categories, philosophical/political, economic, and survival.

>Philosophical/political
Puritans in the 1600s/early 1700s who settled Massachusetts were persecuted by English monarchy
South Vietnamese in the 1960s who were not communist
Russians in the 1910s-1930s who were not communist

>Economic
Mexicans whose farms were ruined by NAFTA in the 1990s/early 2000s
Canadians who can earn more money in the entertainment industry, like Nickelback and Justin Bieber
Various other scientists and engineers we brain-drain and poach from India, Pakistan, and even Europe too

>Survival
Yadizi practicioners who would be raped to death by ISIS
Jews who fled the Holocaust in Germany
Jews who fled pogroms in Russia
Various other refugees

It's not a matter of being "smart" necessarily. A lot of these examples are dumb people who wouldn't have another choice. My ancestor didn't want to be conscripted by Bismarck... does that make him smart? Only marginally, for realizing that he didn't want to die to some fucking French peasant in Alsace.

Then what's the point of calling yourself german if you dislike germans when you could call yourself just americans or x group instead?

In bumfuck nowhere with county population less than 100, where you can still LARP the Oregon Tails.

>Then what's the point of calling yourself german if you dislike germans when you could call yourself just americans or x group instead?
They are identifying with the culture of German settlers in America, not with modern Germans in Germany.

>mfw my great grandfather was surnamed Sunseri
>he was from Palermo

Stop getting your information from the internet you twat.

German is german
Get another more fitting name then.

>You're downplaying the variety of reasons that people emigrate.

not him but it was obvious he was giving a curt oversimplification in response to a purposefully rude oversimplication

It's not a competition about who has the most last names ending in I, you fucking idiot. I just said surnames ending in that letter are more common in north italy. Even if you're italian and your last name doesn't end with I it doesn't make you a southerner.

>Change a name thats been in use for 200 years because my country who has only had the ability to speak english for 40 years is offended

>a purposefully rude oversimplication
Labels aren't rude. My entire post was full of them.

Yadizi? Jew? Puritan? You follow a religion
Communist? You favor an economic theory
Canadian? You eat timbits and wish that a Canadian hockey team would actually win the Stanley cup

Identity is bullshit across the board m80

>Even if you're italian and your last name doesn't end with I it doesn't make you a southerner.
That was your parameter, Southerner

What?

Never knew liguria is southern. Get cancer faggot I'm done arguing.

>Identity is bullshit across the board m80

You're asking us to change the name of an identity that has been in use for over 200 years because your country just gained the ability to English and is offended by it.

If I use the term Pennsylvania *Dutch* here some Netherlander will flip the shit even though they don't use the term in their language. But "Dutch" is overall a much better ethnonym than "German"

>he focuses on what he is, and not what he does
This is why you're a sad sack of shit. Nobody cares what you are. You could be the Baron of Farthuffington and if you don't do jack shit with what you have, you're just a poseur.

'Human beings' are shit, 'human doings' are the only respectable form.

>'Human beings' are shit, 'human doings' are the only respectable form.

So you were actually serious when you said we couldn't speak english before the 70s?

mappadeicognomi.it

put surname on the blank space and press 'genera'

that's actually one of the most fitting uses of the fedora meme I've seen in quite some time

see

not an argument

German culture isn't interesting because of some arbitrary status, but because it does things. It burns yule, sets up weihnachtsbaum, opens adventcalendar, gets turned into roadkill at christkindlmarkt, etc. etc. None of those is "is." It's "do." If you sit around jerking yourself off at "durr hurr I'm German" but do none of the things that manifest themselves in German culture, you're simply not German. "Do" is always superior to "is"

It says it's most common in lombardia with other small uses in emilia romagna but not liguria which is weird because that's where my great grandfather was from.

you sound like such a neckbeard that I don't even have to get another picture to make a strawman of you

...

Neckbeards do nothing, which is similar to you, not me.

you keep projecting a sense of a lack of accomplishments, that says way more about you than it does me

It as a guesstimation, but my point was that before WW2 hardly anybody in Germany could speak english.
But according to wiki only 70% of Germany today can speak english(although probably skewed by old people), its not out of the realm of possibility that most Germans couldn't speak english in the 70's.

>people who actually do things cling to a stupid label or identity
Not so fast. Only losers do, because they have nothing else. That's why loser inbred Appalachian whites cling to white nationalism, loser "we wuz" blacks cling to black nationalism, loser mestizos cling to La Raza, and loser Asians post on /r/AsianMasculinity.

It's just like the old adage, "when you can't do, you teach." Except in this case it's "when you can't do and you can't teach, you are." Identity is for fuckbois.

>It as a guesstimation, but my point was that before WW2 hardly anybody in Germany could speak english.
You're right but it was WW1, not WW2. Degermanization started then.

anglos larping as germans

group identity is a perfectly natural aspect of being a person, you're either from such a culturally devoid suburban life where every aspect of identity is an artificial choice rather than a constant fact of your life or you're such an outcast that you're reacting against it. Regardless you keep projecting a sense of a lack of accomplishment that has nothing to do with what anyone else is talking about with this thread, and maybe if that is something that bothers you so much than you should get off your ass and do something that you'll be proud of later on

ever krautnigger should be strangled with his own intestines

I'm full terrone and my last name ends with e

>tfw no italian gf to make me pasta or give feet rubs to

Most italo American women are coal burners

I kind of agree. There was this italian girl named emily last year at school (where I live is like half italian) and every week she would be fucking some other nigger. I can't see her anymore though since she graduated and she was pretty cute (´･ω･`)

Italian women Belong to BBC

b-but I want cute smelly italian gf too. Preferably one that smells like rotten pizza (´;ω;`)

You have to be african to get one

so I'm a filthy wh*te and can't rub the feet of cute italian girls? (´･ω･`)

No

Fucking Guidos derailed this thread

wow mean I'm not a guido. I stay inside all day and do nothing but draw (´･ω･`)'s

Why can't I rub them (´;ω;`)