Is The UK Relevant Anymore?
What do you mean?
On the global stage? Since you left the EU i have a hard time seeing how you're relevant anymore
fuck out of pol
Why do you think the UK is less relevant for leaving the EU?
The UK will actually have more representation of its own country within international councils now because it won't be spoken for by proxy through an EU """"representative""""
No.Northern Ireland will be handed by the Ireland and Scotland nearly left so we had to beg for them back. Wales might leave us too. We are falling apart and thats why I voted remain. Because I believe in the UK unlike the Sup Forums band wagoning mock brits.
This is pretty weak bait but I will bite.
No the UK being out of the EU does not weaken the UK's standing on a global stage. In fact it strengthens it as they now have full control of their foreign economic and foreign military policies.
The UK has also always been THE global center for finance. This is a legacy of the Empire it built. WW1 and WW2 could not kill this legacy, them stepping out of the EU certainly will not either.
When it comes to foreign policy the UK is of extreme importance to the EU. While France, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have amphibious warfare capabilities, they all lack the independent logistic capability of sustaining an overseas war for a long period of time. Meanwhile the UK can do so indefinitely. The US is the only other nation with that capability, though China and Russia are building it up themselves.
So aside from the strong logistics capability, the UK also possesses the largest fleet of intelligence gathering and electronics warfare aircraft in the EU. Some of which give the UK a capability that it yet again only shares with the US.
All this is why in a recent study looking at economic and military power of nations, only the US was rated as a super power and the UK as a global power. While despite their economic size, Russia and China were just regional powers. And the same holds true for every EU member state or even the EU as a whole.
What's more. The UK, again outside of the US is the only Western nation that has the command infrastructure available to conduct indefinite foreign missions. Why else do you think every goddamn foreign EU deployment is headquartered there?
Now if the EU became a single nation with a single army, all that changes. But that is not going to happen without a war. There are a lot of dumb people out there that go along with the EU to a point, but an EU army and total stripping of sovereign power is not one of them.
The only thing that is a threat to knocking the UK off of it's perch as the only second global power in the world is a development of not just a strong blue water navy by Russia and China (and potential response by Japan and South Korea). But also the requisite logistical support capability to support an army on foreign soil indefinitely.
And you can bet your ass that the US is doing what it can to isolate China and Russia, so that even if they build up that capability, they will have armies on their borders that they will forever need to keep a check on.
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>Why do you think the UK is less relevant for leaving the EU?
Because Germany and the UK were the two main powers in the EU, now the UK left Germany is the main power and the UK is heading towards a recession by itself not to mention Scotland and Northern Ireland want to break away,
The UK is nothing but a small Island now really and it might get smaller
>The UK has also always been THE global center for finance
Yeah when it was trading with Europe now that they left the EU there can be no freedom of trade without freedom of movement and thats not going to happen, so who is the UK going to trade with now?
>there can be no freedom of trade without freedom of movement
60percenter, that's like factually incorrect.
I'll just respond by saying that you probably don't understand what the EU (European Union) is.
Total bullshit. The UK cant conduct any war on it own, it doesn't even have an Aircraft Carrier anymore. We played a bit part in Afganistan and Iraq as American poodles.
It was trading with the empire before.
The closed in market of the EU actually caused recessions in places like New Zealand and Australia.
Now the entire Commonwealth is open for trade again. And guess what, India is part of it. I you thought. And as someone who does parts sourcing, having low or no tariff based trade with India would be a massive boon.
Also European companies are already shilling to not impose tariffs on the UK. Because a lot of parts for their products are built in the UK.
Sure the UK is going to have a bit of a bumpy ride for a year or two as things get worked out, because economists hate things that aren't certain. But once it is all settled massive opportunities open up.
There are bigger and faster growing markets outside the EU then within it. Now they are open and ready for conquest.
More relevant than ever. It is the last surge of Nationalism in a globalist world. It could make or break the NWO.
Leave it to an American not to understand the world.
Pretty sure you have 2 carriers almost ready to go...
by leaving the EU, the UK gave up a lot of it's status and power. Now they are just another normie nation. Everyone being shocked when the value of their money went down was pretty silly.
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UK can trade with anyone they want. You don't need a trade deal to do trade. They are no longer restricted to trading with the EU, and can more freely trade with the rest of the world. This is a good thing.
EU economy is stagnant.
>it doesn't even have an Aircraft Carrier anymore
en.wikipedia.org
As long as we're here, our best rival will always be relevant
the UK is always relevant.
Your post completely ignores the recent devaluation of the pound and if you think that Europe isn't going to impose Harsh tariffs on the UK then you are deluded, The EU needs to make an example of the UK to show other countries not to leave, Most economist predict a British recession happening soon
more bait but the reason the value of sterling went down is because people were betting against us not leaving the EU and as such they lost, no other reason
the value will soon pick up and follow the FTSE 100 recovery
You do realize that the UK fully supported it's missions to Afghanistan and Iraq on it's own right?
Meanwhile ze Germans and the Frogs had to rely on either US or UK logistical assets to maintain the deployment.
Fuck France had to rely on the UK C-17 fleet to deploy a small force to Mali, one of their former colonies.
You are misconstruing the lack of political will with a lack of capability.
There is no such thing as the NWO please take your tinfoil theories elsewhere adults are trying to have a rational discussion
>by leaving the EU, the UK gave up a lot of it's status and power. Now they are just another normie nation
That pretty much how i see it too from an unbiased outside perspective
UK no longer part of EU.
UK can unilaterally drop sanctions on Russia if it wants to
Are you stoked for some proper cheddar cheese Ivan?
>Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving
You do realise they make up a tiny proportion of our GDP? England is the powerhouse of the UK, the rest are welfare fairies (although the Welsh a based as fuck) and Northern Ireland won't leave the UK.
Scuckland can fuck off initial was down the the English vote they'd be out tomorrow, we're sick of paying for their free university
>Your post completely ignores the recent devaluation of the pound
Your brain completely ignores the actual reasons for this happening which are in no way reflective of the current economy.
>Europe isn't going to impose Harsh tariffs on the UK then you are deluded
It literally wont. The UK is a net customer to the EU, they REALLY don't want to fuck wit them.
>The EU needs to make an example of the UK to show other countries not to leave
The EU needs to hurry up and dissolve
Bullshit. It's a boy band. It's REAL.
>the value will soon pick up and follow the FTSE 100 recovery
If thats the case how come every major economist predicts a British recession happening in the next few years?
You guys dont even know the tariffs the EU is going to impose on you yet, there is no way the UK is going to be the same economically as it was prebrexit, that would look really bad for the EU
Cant you read, it is coming in 2017. So we have nothing right now. Probably be delayed as usual.
*if it, not initial, fucking autocorrect
>Muh Pound
Low currency value makes export more attractive. The FTSE 100 is on the rise because of that prospect alone.
Same shit happened in the Netherlands and Germany when the 2008 crisis hit and the Euro dropped. They started exporting more and it offset a lot of the economic woes.
The only time you need to worry about currency devaluation is if it is rapid and uncontrollable. Like say the Pound was now suddenly only worth 13 cents rather than $1.30
Why are so many Americans convinced that the EU was GIVING power to the UK?
The entire thing by nature removes power from member states and extradites it to the Jews in Brussels.
It's to replace another one
No, the UK is finished, leaving the EU was a Pyrrhic victory
Nope
> fully supported it's missions to Afghanistan and Iraq
again bullshit
equipment was shit
soldiers died needlessly as a result
no planning beforehand
while the americans travelled in air conditioned comfort in their heavily armoured humvee, the british were given tin cans to ride around in.
Yeah, the US needs to join Mercosur too or you won't be relevant any more
Every major economist predicted that all the multinationals would pull out but hey ho Siemens and Boeing have both confirmed new jobs and contracts in the UK
We had all this shit when we didn't join the euro, it's merely market uncertainty which will calm as our new government is formed, pound has already rallied against the dollar and euro
Scotland may not be as Economically powerful as England but if you dont think them leaving the UK during all this turmoil would be a massive loss then you are deluded, the way i see it is Scotland currently holds England's future in its hands
>Every major economist says you are heading for a recession!
Every major economist failed to predict the 2008 financial crisis.
Every major economist said the UK would suffer a recession for not getting the Euro.
Every major economist said Greece was a stable economy worth investing in.
When are you going to learn that economists get macro-economics wrong all the god damn time?
Heck those Jews predicted Africa would be a developed nation by now because we gave them independence.
>If thats the case how come every major economist predicts a British recession happening in the next few years?
The same economists who told us if we didn't join ERMII we'd lose out? Which then caused black Wednesday
The same economic consensus that told us in 2000 if the UK didn't join the Euro we'd fail economically and the Eurozone would take our jobs? (The UK alone created more jobs than the entire Eurozone last year)
>Low currency value makes export more attractive
Once again who are the British going to trade with now they left the EU? They are not going to be able to trade with Europe without tariffs
>now they left the EU
We're still in it right now, do you even have any idea what you're talking about or are you simply another stupid yank muppet?
>They are not going to be able to trade with Europe without tariffs
Bilateral trade deals
>Once again who are the British going to trade with now they left the EU?
There's this thing called the rest of the world.
Nobody was prepared for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, not the UK and also not the US.
The only nation in the world with the equipment in use that was suited to the needs of that conflict was South Africa. Due to their experience with the Bush Wars.
Also only the up-armoured humvees got an AC in it. Which only started appearing in 2004. Well post invasion of both nations.
You are showing your ignorance Ahmed.
Look I'm sure you are really proud of your Scottish heritage but the only part of the UK that anyone from an investment stand point cares about is London, nobody gives a fuck about Scotland.
Besides they're a nation of cucks they love being our pet, they'll never vote for independence, Spain and Belgium would veto their ascension to the EU
>Why are so many Americans convinced that the EU was GIVING power to the UK
What was the positives in leaving the EU? You basically gave all your power away
The British pound has dropped to historic lows and you can no longer be considered a major trading power in Europe, Not to mention Scotland or Northern Ireland might secede
You went from a major European power to a somewhat strong independent island
Plus Scotland's public finances are worse than Greece's are too, they'd fail a load of requirements for joining the EU
What does USA trade with u thicko, it doesnt have any EU trade deal.
We gonna trade on same basis. ALso any tarrif on UK will make us put tarrif on their shit. We import a lot more from EU than we export.
We hold all the cards.
Also Cameron is about to make his last speech in Parliament in a few mins, everyone please stand up and clap.
>The British pound has dropped to historic lows
Only a 31 year low, for a currency hundreds of years old.
>you can no longer be considered a major trading power in Europe
It's been 3 fucking weeks
> Not to mention Scotland or Northern Ireland might secede
NI won't, that was just Sinn Fein being fenians as usual, but there's no support for it across NI.
And Scotland won't leave, they'd be blocked from joining the EU under EU rules due to their fucking enormous 10% of GDP deficit that England funds for them.
Of course it is, it will be the 4th most important Islamic site within a decade after Jerusalem.
ESA the European Space Agency announced it is investing in the SABRE engine. Everyone said ESA would never do business with the UK if it left the EU.
>the US needs to join Mercosur too or you won't be relevant any more
This is a false equivalency a better equivalency to Brexit is if the USA decided to pull out of NATO, it would logically speaking make no sense just like it made no sense for the UK to pull out of the EU, The UK gave up all of its European power
>What was the positives in leaving the EU?
Sovereignty and control over our own laws.
>You basically gave all your power away
Please stop saying this you insufferably ignorant spastic. Leaving the EU does not make the UK less powerful in any sense politically. It gives us more international representation and freedom.
>The British pound has dropped to historic lows
Please try to understand the reasons for this happening instead of just repeating headlines.
>you can no longer be considered a major trading power in Europe
You are actually fucking clueless. American news outlets just shouldn't air anything about the EU if this is the kind of information they're spreading lol.
Damn senpai, you really know your shit.
Keep up the good work.
Underrated post.
>EU: An economic and political union of nations
>Mercosur: An economic union of nations
>NATO: A mutual defence treaty
Yeah. Mercosur is totally the odd one out in this picture.
>a better equivalency to Brexit is if the USA decided to pull out of NATO
But NATO is a military alliance and we're still part of it.
Do you know what the EU is? It's a draconian pseudo-superstate run by anti-democratic cunts who want a federal europe and don't care if the people disagree with them.
An equivalent would be if the US had to follow laws set in Gautemala by South American politicians and leaders, along with unelected South Americans. Also any South American could move the US freely with no way to stop them.
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>Only a 31 year low
It's been 3 fucking weeks give it time
>And Scotland won't leave, they'd be blocked from joining the EU under EU rules due to their fucking enormous 10% of GDP deficit that England funds for them.
The EU in particular Germany has already expressed willingness for an independent Scotland to join the EU, logically speaking it would benefit the EU if Scotland joined, so its possible
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lol UK a normie nation? Are you fucking kidding me? Its GREAT BRITAIN. Last thing it'll ever be a is a normie nation
>It's been 3 fucking weeks give it time
It's gone up by 4 cents against the dollar since Sunday though? From 1.29 up to 1.33.
>The EU in particular Germany has already expressed willingness for an independent Scotland to join the EU
yeah, they'll accept Grease 2: electric bailout boogaloo
when was uk relevant ?
>Sovereignty and control over our own laws.
Muh sovereignty, you already had your sovereignty you spastic cunt
>Leaving the EU does not make the UK less powerful in any sense politically
Yes it does you no longer have a say in European affairs, therefore you no longer have any European influence
>What was the positives in leaving the EU?
Taking control of our country and our borders while allowing us to engage in free trade with the rest of the world without being hampered by the EU's tariff system.
>You basically gave all your power away
We had no power in the EU. Outside the EU, we have power.
>The British pound has dropped to historic lows
And if it loses another 30% of its value, it'll be worth as much as the US dollar.
>and you can no longer be considered a major trading power in Europe,
We're the fifth largest economy on the planet.
>Not to mention Scotland or Northern Ireland might secede
You might want to get your news from a source other than the Guardian.
>You went from a major European power to a somewhat strong independent island
We went from a member state of the EU under the control of an unelected commission and subject to the whims of 27 other countries and became an independent nation, you stupid cunt.
Germany has not expressed interest in an independent Scotland. Only some individual members of parliament have.
Stop being an idiot and listening to the media which likes to claim a renegade member of parliament is the government.
It's like claiming McCain is the US government and sets US government policy.
Stop living up the the stereotype that burgers are dumb.
You are taking the point too literally, the point was the UK has already invested a significant amount of time and resources into the EU and it was benefiting them in almost everyway until they decided to leave
Your country is a suburb of Kaliningrad. Your women are all £100 an hour whores in London. Your greatest ambition is a minimum wage job in a factory in Germany.
Kill yourself and pray that in the next life you'll be reincarnated as British.
We should swap Trident for a stronger carrier force and secure our position as the worlds second greatest naval power:
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It started with Roman resistance and has been ever since.
ivan is it you ?
>Muh sovereignty, you already had your sovereignty you spastic cunt
The EU parliament is the supreme legislative power of every member state. No mate, no.
>Yes it does you no longer have a say in European affairs
Firstly, please learn the difference between EUROPE and the EUROPEAN UNION.
Secondly, our say in things that happened within the union was negligible anyway.
I swear the biggest problem surrounding this whole debate is uneducated fucks who don't know the difference between the abomination that is the european political union and the continent of Europe itself.
>The EU in particular Germany has already expressed willingness for an independent Scotland to join the EU
You're a liar. Belgium, France and Spain have said they will veto Scottish membership. Germany has refused to have any discussions whatsoever with the Scottish government.
Meanwhile, the Scottish government's justification for independence is that 1.6 million (out of a populationof 5 million) voted to stay in the EU. In the 2014 referendum, 2 million Scots voted to remain in the UK.
2 million is more than 1.6 million.
> logically speaking it would benefit the EU if Scotland joined,
If Scotland joined the EU, it would be considered one of the union's richest countries and would have to contribute £1.5 billion per year. 80% of all Scottish trade is with England, which means that Scotland would lose its single largest market.
And that's ignoring the simple fact that the EU will not let Scotland join.
>An equivalent would be if the US had to follow laws set in Gautemala by South American politicians and leaders, along with unelected South Americans.
You make it seem like the UK had no say in any of the laws which were passed under the EU which is not true the UK had major influence over every law the EU passed
>Also any South American could move the US freely with no way to stop them.
The USA has never had open borders like Europe so once again its a false equivalency, People from the UK under the EU can move into Germany just like people from Germany could move into the UK, it was a two way street that you AGREED TOO
BUT I DON"T IDENTIFY AS BRITON, I AM EUROPEANNN
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No, Latvia. I am not Russian. I am not the man who raped your joke of a country for 70 years.
>You make it seem like the UK had no say in any of the laws which were passed under the EU which is not true the UK had major influence over every law the EU passed
Every time we disagreed with a law it was passed anyway.
> you AGREED TOO
Our politicians did, 77% of us want immigration cut heavily.
I don't think the British Empire was evil. They treat our country well. At least we are not colonized by the crazy Dutch or Spaniards (not the whole countries at least.)
>Muh sovereignty, you already had your sovereignty you spastic cunt
When 80% of British laws originated outside the UK, self-evidently Britain did not have sovereignty.
>Yes it does you no longer have a say in European affairs, therefore you no longer have any European influence
When did we have any influence, you stupid fucking Belgian? We were ignored by the EU until they needed our money.
oh brits, from empire to africa tier . Only possible in cuckUK
well lads
>the UK had major influence over every law the EU passed
We are one country out of 27. We were routinely ignored, overruled and vetoed - even to the point where the EU simply broke its own laws in order to ignore our wishes.
ivan have toilet cleaning job ?
And is still loved by many
>second largest economy in the EU
>second largest contributor to the EU budget
>recipient of the lowest amount of EU aid
>permanent UNSC seat
>G8 member
>one of only two countries with global power projection capacity
>nuclear power
>tops the global soft power chart
>most widely accepted passport on the planet
>most widely spoken language on the planet
>17 of the world's top 50 universities (vs 10 from the US and 4 from Germany)
>largest financial centre of the planet
>has added more jobs since 2008 than the other 27 EU countries combined
>only EU country predicted to be one of the world's top 5 economies by 2050
>has the best dental health in the world (joint with Germany) according to the EU
There is exactly one place where Britain is irrelevant and that's in the EU, you worthless fucking nigger.
And the reason you're so butthurt is that you'll get no more of my money to prop up your failed potato republic and you won't be able to come here to work cleaning my toilet. Cheer up, Janis. I'll give you 20p if you caper for me.
No. I'm British, not Latvian. Now tell your sister she better swallow or I won't hire her again.
>Get rid of nuclear deterrence
A foolish proposition. The UK nuclear deterrence capability puts it in a club of only a few nations. And while the UK shares missiles with the US, the warheads are totally British, as such launch authorization is totally theirs.
The free fall nuclear bombs are US warheads and under US control. They are not a good replacement. They'd be a great additional capability but not replacement.
Furthermore the nuclear deterrence fleet is not the expensive. Scrapping it entirely will not pay for another carrier, it's air wing and the sailors and airmen to man it all, let alone the logistical support structure.
The idiot thing is that the UK should simply spend more on defence rather than rely on Jewish accounting to claim 1.8% of GDP spending is 2% of GDP spending.
Of course it's too late now anyway to order a third carrier. It would arrive very late and would not benefit from any cost savings as all the parts manufacturers have moved on. It would actually cost more to restart it now.
Besides the UK needs more escorts anyway.
so many words , oh
Funny thing isn't it? It's almost like we're one of the most powerful and successful economies in the world?
FUNNY
>literally who
Not to mention one of the greatest nations when it comes to the various fields of engineering.
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Great book by the way. Well worth a read.
Thanks for the link looks a really good read
>mfw Latvia gets called literally who and Curaçao doesn't.
I've been to Wilemstad, you live in a beautiful part of the world, do you guys consider yourself Dutch?
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