Been seeing a lot of libertarian threads so I thought I'd start my own, with a twist. In this thread we emphasize the right wing of libertarianism and ancap, to wash away the leftist stigma that Johnson and the LP have damned us with.
I wouldnt call Hoppe a nationalist,but he is the ultimate redpill
Landon Stewart
DONT LET YOUR DREAMS BE MEMES
Chase Russell
Paleocon masterrace here
Jaxson Bell
>Decades of communism in a nigger country yields terrible results >This is now capitalism's fault Thanks for playing.
Bentley Sanders
Yes... Real (white) ancap has never been tried.
Grayson Jenkins
>a civil war between communist and islamists is ancap what a meme my lad
Alexander Butler
...
Aaron Watson
...
Noah Harris
...
Anthony Nelson
saved
Owen Johnson
...
Isaac Ross
Those are just incident ideologies. The economic and political system is pure ancap. What is stopping a corporation from setting up in Somalia and providing security for a hefty price?
Easton Thomas
...
Leo Collins
...
Jackson Ramirez
>The economic and political system is pure ancap First off you're talking about the past, and second, no it wasn't. It was a country torn between several warlords.
David Green
...
Parker Gutierrez
All you guys can do is spout memes. When they're refuted, you stubbornly hold to your false ideals. Do you think this makes you smart? Do you think you convince anyone? It's very evident you've never read anything about the ideology beyond those MS paint macros.
Adrian Flores
>It was a country torn between several warlords. ancap
Daniel Hill
I think if I identified as anything, Libertarian nationalist sounds good. But im above your mortal politics. This realm is all for naught. So I'll waste my time. Shitposting the night away
Josiah Ramirez
strawpoll dot me/10740130
Question intended for libertarians.
Jason Baker
>When they're refuted lol. All your "refutation"is calling them memes. Nothing more
David Morris
no they weren't ancap, as I mentioned, some were Islamists and the former gov was gommie I mean really if all you have is "any form of civil war is ancapy" it's a pretty weak argument.
Caleb Jenkins
The leader invests in himself as he should. Does this upset you?
Christopher King
I've already been planning for years to lead a National Liberal movement someday
Sebastian Rogers
...
Charles Garcia
How has nobody mentioned the NAP
Gabriel Young
>warlords What are wealthy individuals in an ancap system?
Ryder Hall
They literally are, though, and you can't deny that. But that's beside the point. Nearly each and every image you post is either internally inconsistent, or reliant on a false pretense about libertarianism or the NAP. It only displays that you have never researched the topic, not even at the most basic level. You get blown out every thread because you haven't the first clue of what you're talking about.
Sebastian Flores
This is now an An-cap meme thread >implying all An-cap threads aren't meme threads
Liam King
Well spook'd my property
Julian Johnson
We try debating you but you refuse to listen to logic that dictates that the vast majority of people don't want to live in a profoundly inhumane and unstable society.
Cooper Cruz
If I build a road you shouldn't be allowed to stand in front of my tank. Fucking statist
Gavin Garcia
why is that T-34's turret facing behind it and driving backwards
Brody Perry
I don't know, wealthy people? Those guys were Islamists and bent on applying Sharia, not capitalism.
Levi Parker
>What are wealthy individuals in an ancap system? warlords
Sebastian Anderson
>They literally are, though, and you can't deny that. some of them
Joshua Turner
Property rights violate my Freedom.
Camden Nelson
Shariah doesn't really say much on economics. All it does is ban usury. And require the gold standard. Other than that it says nothing about the means of production.
Dylan Sanchez
...
Ryder Morris
...
Carson Morales
Really impressed moortugal. The only people that like taxes are people reliant on handouts. Maybe you should kill yourself
Brody Mitchell
Any Libertarians here that were for Bernie before he cucked out and endorsed Hillary?
Lincoln Bennett
...
Anthony Cook
...
Adrian Kelly
>We try debating you but you refuse to listen to logic That's funny, I was going to say the same to you. Of course, I'm not the one relying on memes and greentext stories as the backbone of my argument.
>the vast majority of people don't want to live in a profoundly inhumane and unstable society. No argument there, precisely why I want to move away from the state, the cause of most of society's inhumanity and instability.
You only post these images because you're incapable of original thought. How can you have such a vehement opinion on something you've never cared to study?
Aiden Wright
not an argument
Jace Gonzalez
>I thought the libertarian thing was negative income tax. A technical detail, no? Who you tax to give out the UBI is of course important but the interesting part, namely that you don't keep up a big bureaucracy to determine who gets how much, that's something where you can shrink the government remarkably.
>Nice strawmen. people will no longer want to socialize. Genious conclusion. Wasn't meant to be a strawman. I'm just wondering what you think an automatised society will look like. You said >people will no longer be required to do things but we probably want to be served in a restaurant by a human and not by a robot, right? That's what I meant with "human interaction". I think there will always be a demand for human interaction and be it only for entertainment.
Jaxson Brown
>Shariah doesn't really say much on economics well memed bruh >All it does is ban usury. Which is a pretty big deal, on top of not being to buy whatever you see fit.
Luke Brown
>You only post these images because you're incapable of original thought. I only post to trigger lolbertarians
Julian Nelson
>Implying all libertarians aren't jew cucks to begin with.
Ayden Kelly
>How can you have such a vehement opinion on something you've never cared to study? >what is socialism
Daniel Gonzalez
that only works if you're not the person with most posts in the thread Right now you seem pretty triggered, so much so that you refuse to confront your ideas honestly and hide behind the veil of "I'm just being facetious lel" instead of exposing your arguments.
Charles Lewis
>well memed bruh How about you try countering me. >All it does is ban usury. So does Catholicism. >on top of not being to buy whatever you see fit. You can buy whatever you want in a fully compliant shariah state
Austin Johnson
stop posting retard
Christopher Hernandez
That's how I know you're stupid. I don't give a fuck about anything. If you come to my house and shoot me, I know the next world I'm going to. #pleiadianblackpill2016
Lincoln Hill
But Trump is going to make memes real using the power of Kek. You're memes will come true if you pay proper respect.
Wyatt Sanchez
>telling me stop practicing my right to shit-post STATIST
Julian Jenkins
Last thread died right as I posted this.
How would libertarianism function in a post-work/post-scarcity society? We're fast approaching the end of a lot of human labor and there will be many people who's skill sets simply aren't needed and production is controlled by someone like Google who developed the AI. So at that point, even dissolving government, there would still effectively be a government controlled by large corporations due to the extreme cost and resource requirement to develop AI and create machinery to automate making starting it at a small scale impossible.
What would they retrain to? The jobs created maintaining the machines and programming will be nowhere near the amount of jobs eliminated, and as the automation further advances they'll be able to maintain and replicate themselves.
Charles Sanders
>So does Catholicism. Wrong, there has been nothing in the code of canon law about usury for a long time.
>You can buy whatever you want in a fully compliant shariah state Except pork Abdul.
This is irrelevant anyway, why are you trying to steer the conversation that way? Instead of asking dumb rethorical question, try to explain why you think a civil war brought about by a communist government has anything to do with anarco-capitalism.
Easton Rodriguez
I think you're helping our side more than hurting it. But if debating a topic you know nothing about helps you sleep at night, then I won't try to stop you.
Robert Parker
Thanks user. I've being looking for that for ages.
Nathan Nelson
Ideally start buying precious metals, ammunition, and real estate asap. You'll die if you dont
Jordan Barnes
stormfront is that way --->
Justin Watson
Currently reading man economy and state, not an ancap just a anti immigration libertarian. Is the law by Bastiat worth a read, what is the book on spontaneous order I can't remmber
Daniel Edwards
Can I kill people without legal repercussions in a libertarian society? Or would there be prisons for people that wants to kill?
Jonathan Miller
There is no such thing as post-scarcity since we will always want some things from other people. Be it entertainment or other. I mean for fuck's sake there are companies right now whose business is "helping people make decisions".
Andrew Miller
Post scarcity is nonsense. There is an infinite wants of man and scarce means to bring them about- by nature, it's impossible.
Benjamin Morales
Most libertarians support the second amendment and the right to self-defense. But if someone was just murdering innocent people for no reason, they'd probably get killed.
James Cruz
>Except pork Abdul. You can buy and sell pork in an Islamic society. All that's forbidden is for muslims to eat it. Alcohol is also allowed to be bought and sold by non-muslims in a shariah state. They just have to drink it in private.
Source: Ex-muslim
Blake Thomas
Libertarian=\=ancap. Libertarian is small state free market political idealogy, ancap is political philosophy.
Jordan Clark
I'd rather go to Somalia. The An-Cap paradise.
Eli Gutierrez
>they'd probably get killed
If they know who is killing, FBI uses a lot of resources on homicidal investigations.
Cool, i see.
Samuel Peterson
How would you enforce the second amendment? What if my militia decided to take away your guns.
Zachary Reed
You shoot them
Jordan Flores
>All that's forbidden is for muslims to eat it. Does that seem respectful of property rights to you?
Christian Nelson
>One person against a militia
You would probably just get fucked by artillery
Landon Adams
Post-scarcity doesn't mean all scarcity has been eliminated. It just means everyone could easily have their basic survival needs met along with a good portion of general desires
Not everyone is going to be able to sell their artisanal baskets and paintings and advice giving service if everyone else in the world is doing the same though
Joshua Bell
See
Xavier Morgan
I find it hard to believe only one person would be afflicted in this scenario. In addition, other people can intervene in the event of property violations, so you could enlist support from other people. I don't think the militia would risk their lives to take away one dude's gun.
David Evans
Courts of law are a lot older than centralized government. Germanic tradition had no problem seeing several codes of law naturally compete.
If that's too much for you to believe, then at least understand that subsidiarity is at the heart of libertarian political philosophy. In other words regions being freely able to choose their code of law is prefferable to having it decided at the national level, and cities being able to choose their code of law is better than doing it at the regional level and so on.
Dominic Powell
>If they know who is killing, FBI uses a lot of resources on homicidal investigations. I was thinking more of a situation of someone just going through the streets with a machine gun killing people; someone would probably shoot them down. But, as that other guy pointed out, libertarians are not anarchists and are not entirely against the police (or not against them at all in some cases). Libertarianism is about minimizing government control and interference, not eliminating it.
Jonathan Wood
How do you physically remove people without violating the NAP?
Daniel Wilson
Food and water are scarce by nature and cannot become general conditions of nature, like air for instance.
Samuel Sanchez
If everything is just so cheap then it won't be an issue to get your needs even with not very marketable skills innit?
It is certain that getting rich through wages will probably become impossible and pretty much already is, but entrepreneuriat is easier than it has ever been, and will likely be a much, much more common activity in the future.
Easton Ortiz
The same way it's enforced now - it would be recognized as a constitutional right / inherent right, granted to all US citizens. So a militia would not be allowed to go around taking away other peoples' weapons.
Easton Bell
>protection aren't there guns for everyone in a free society?
Aiden Ortiz
They might not come for the gun they might come for your property and to take slaves from your town
This has been what have been propelling humans into civilization basically.
>Oh fuck some assholes on horses just came and took the neighbour villages women and gold! >We probably need to make some swords and assemble every able bodied man in town to protect ourselves >Taxes come in >Conscription comes in >Civilizations start
Thomas Watson
Non-aggression does not mean pacifism. Op do you have Skype or something as I enjoy discussing economics and informing others about it. We should make these generals regular
Charles Collins
Nah earliest civs were started by coming together to make beer. That's earliest archeological I mean
Brandon Barnes
You're correct in saying the labor markets will be largely unpredictable, but that's a reason to keep the government out of it more than anything. Only free markets will be able to allocate the excess appropriately, just look at the industrial revolution. Unprecedented mechanization, yet unemployment was never an endemic issue.
I have Skype but I don't want to post it on Sup Forums. I will be making regular threads as well as looking out for active ones.
Kevin Howard
It's actually a pretty important point that is missed by a number of detractors and libertarian alike: libertarianism isn't a self-sustaining or failure-proof system. It requires the population to have values compatible with a durable free society. Much in the same way the constitution does nothing if people don't care about it, a libertarian society can only exist if most of the people living in it are virtuous.
That doesn't make it a pipedream. The reason the western world has no autocracies today is not some accident, it's because westerners don't believe in being ruled by kings anymore. The very same can be true of centralized governments.
John Anderson
>implying a libertarian society is somehow not a legitimate civilization On the contrary, a society based on forcing other people to behave in a manner that you want them to, when it doesn't affect you in any provable, tangible, negative way, is barbaric. The true civilized attitude is to generally allow people to do what they want.
Logan Bell
People could still coalesce in the name of collective self-defense, it would just be a voluntary system rather than a coercive one.
Luis Bell
Wow.. I don't read, but he has eloquently scripted my midnight bicycle lemniscate thoughts. ty user
Nolan Harris
The earliest known urban civilization is the Sumerians
They had taxes, slaves and governmental institutions to support their civilization. And yes, they also had a military.
If you don't have a military (and it better be effective also), some assholes from another land is going to raid the shit out of you and take your shit and your women.
The need for government has followed us from the earliest civilizations and will continue to do so.
How do you fund it? Private military? 80% would just say fuck it, im not paying, i can just freeride the shit out of this one.
Tell that to the babylonians lol
Brayden Bennett
What? With certain advances I the scarcity of those could easily be eliminated. For water just lower the price of already existing flirtation devices and you can have clean water essentially anywhere. For food genetic modification + vertical greenhouses + artificial meat + storage and transportation advances
Elijah Gray
I mean if your muslim you shouldn't be eating it.
Alexander Reed
>How do you fund it? Private military? 80% would just say fuck it, im not paying Funding or participation. If there's a looming threat as you've described, it's unlikely people will resist it and risk their livelihood to save a couple bucks.
Liam Stewart
Who would stop the militia? The non-existant state?
