This is not an argument about the epistemology or the metaphysics of god's existence or lack thereof. This is an argument about the usefulness of religion. Religion provided many things to society when implemented correctly. The truth is that most people are sheep and weak willed. Myself and most here included. We need something to give us purpose and keep our actions in check. Religion did this: >gives people a reason to strive and contribute even when their lives are shitty (i.e. afterlife) >prevents and punishes degeneracy >creates strong in-group bonds that gives strangers reasons to care about the others well-being >keeps female hypergamy in check. Maintains the family. Promotes marriage >Has an ever-present big-brother(god) that prevents many people from committing immoral actions.
Many of you will counter that nationalism is a secular substitution, but it is not. Even Hitler needed his neo-pagan religion to keep people in check. Even the Jews would collapse as a force without their religion to keep them in check. This is why even "atheist" jews still identify as jewish and participate in jewish customs and rituals. It's a way of maintaining community and cohession
Sure religion has helped instill the idea of community and groupthink. But now we've got FREEDOM to independent thought and objective morals and ideas of justice and how to treat fellow humans so we don't need your religion bullcrap.
Colton Nelson
bump
Kevin Kelly
18+ only in here
Lincoln Adams
*tips copy of Beyond Good and Evil*
Zachary Morgan
> objective morals Do you know what objective is. Religious morals are by nature objective because they derive from god. Atheist morals are for the most part subjective. Unless you are a Kantian which most atheists are not. >FREEDOM to independent thought Get's all opinions from Hitchens,Dawkins, and (((Harris)))
Austin Hughes
Kantian=autistic so yes in a way atheists are Kantian
Tyler Stewart
Why do you think Kantianism is autistic. Other than the fact that the categorical imperative is very spergy.
Adrian Rogers
Modern technology is ultimately what killed faith
The simplicity of farm life and pre industrial life is tied to strong morals and religion and really the Internet and Computer was the death of the soul.
Amish are totally right. Its more than mere ritual, the masses need to have their very lifestyle be simple and narrow.
William Ramirez
You mean (((Hitchens)))
Xavier Stewart
Those are some valid points OP. It's unfortunate that they are counteracted by the extreme brutality brought about in the name of religion, including millions of tortures and deaths, dismissal of scientific knowledge and indoctrination of young minds with nightmarish depictions of hell which continue to this day
Carter Gomez
You said it, the categorical imperative. The first time I read of it, I just knew Kant was autistic. How else can you argue against nuance or particular situations?
Aiden Martin
Hitchen's actually was pretty anti-Israel and named the kike (Kissinger). Harris is full blown jew-cuck.
Dylan Turner
Replace religion with nationalism.
David Mitchell
Hitler tried and failed that
Nicholas Russell
>Modern technology is ultimately what killed faith
Modern technology doesn't seem to have much of an effect. Russia has become Christian, China’s development coincided with a rise in atheism, and development and spread of information in the Middle East didn’t coincide with any change in the fact the region is unanimously Islamic.
There’s barely correlation here so we don’t even have the illusion of a basis to say there’s causation.
Samuel Long
>Has an ever-present big-brother(god) that prevents many people from committing immoral actions.
Explain pic related
Aaron Cooper
>by the extreme brutality brought about in the name of religion, including millions of tortures and deaths 2 of the largest genocides in history (Mao and Stalin) were conducted by atheists. Atheists have killed tons of people. Atheists torture as well. Islam and certain sects of Christianity actually forbid torture. > dismissal of scientific knowledge big bang theory: catholic algebra: muslim general relativity: jew etc, etc, etc philosophy until 1900: muslims, christians, hindus,buddhists >indoctrination of young minds lol. Because atheist hollywood isn't fucking up young minds. Right.
Jayden Jackson
So fooling the public with lies is the best way to run society?
William James
I once thought like you but then I realized:
Science and technological progress really was a mistake. The Industrial Revolution was the end of the west.
It came at the cost of destroying the fabric of society. And really it's just magic. Your computer screen is the exact kind of thing the Bible called witchcraft or scrying. And forbade for clear philosophocal reasons. Whether or not it's supernatural doesnt matter.
Technology is man trying to play God and find cheat codes instead of following the rules of the game. Worhsip of mechanical idols (the internet)
There's no compatibility between sound morals and modern technology. Ted Kaczynski understood this and went mad.
I really see no way around this terrifying conclusion.
Cooper Morales
Did you even read my entire post. I addressed that point specifically.
Cameron Campbell
Keeping them busy is most important.
Which is why technology directly led to feminism and pretty much every other leftist movement
David Bailey
Fringe groups, by definition, are at one extreme or the other
Ayden Jackson
>russia and middle-east Technology hasn't really spread through these societies like the west. Yet, I can vouch having been to the middle east that the increase in technology is causing a decrease in religious adherence and rise in degeneracy.
Isaiah Johnson
Russia still has lower standards of living.
Faith comes from struggle
Gabriel Morris
OP is 100% correct. religion is not an end in and of itself, but a tool to use for the benefit of the nation. this is what makes the tragedy of the current cuck pope so bad.
>objective morals lmao
Oliver Morales
I agreed up until you mentioned Hitler's "neo-pagan religion." He was publicly Catholic until the day he died. He and other Nazi leaders even made fun of Himmler's occultist obsessions in private.
However he was definitely an atheist. He, or saw the benefits of religion and continued to practice christianity.
Connor Gomez
Also most of those muslims are black. People forget that black muslims are one of the largest groups of muslims in America.
Anthony Morris
>Hitler >neo-pagan
In what imaginary universe do you live?
Ryder Wright
I dismiss your subjective opinion off-handedly
Lucas Morris
>So fooling the public with lies is the best way to run society? Yes. Most people are shit at critical thinking and being rational.
Tyler Myers
That's it. I'm am now a muslim Praise ALLAH الله أكبر
Alexander Jones
How does pointing out that Atheists have killed people do anything to prove what I said wrong. Atheists don't kill in the name of their religion, which is what we are talking about here. And if you the influence of Hollywood has had a detrimental effect on the minds of young people than religion then you must be daft.
Joseph Miller
>including millions of tortures and deaths
Yeah its not like atheistic Communist movements tortured and killed millions and millions more people in the past century than Christianity ever has
> dismissal of scientific knowledge
"they disagree with me so they deny science itself"
Just like they dismissed the historical sciences that pointed so firmly to Communism right? Or how they foolishly held that Belshazzar was a real person despite Daniel obviously being wrong? (Sure archeology later definitively proved that he existed and was exactly like the book of Daniel portrayed him, but that's beside the point guys!!!!!)
>indoctrination of young minds with nightmarish depictions of hell
>The encyclical condemned breaches of the 1933 Reichskonkordat agreement signed between the German Reich and the Holy See.[4] It condemned "pantheistic confusion", "neopaganism", "the so-called myth of race and blood", and the idolizing of the State. It contained a vigorous defense of the Old Testament out of belief that it prepared the way for the New.[5] The encyclical states that race is a fundamental value of the human community which is necessary and honorable but condemns the exaltation of race, or the people, or the state, above their standard value to an idolatrous level.[6]
Ethan Morales
Agree with OP, here's a pic I like
Carson Ward
The way i see it the Internet must be destroyed or made inaccessible to the majority if we are ever to return to traditional society.
Sup Forums is a perfect example of how too much information even if true is demoralizing.
Most people should be simple in their lives and knowledge and social circles. Really even mass literacy was a mistake
Eli Morris
people also forget that most of your black "muslims" are NOI niggers. the rest of the muslim world considers NOI to be either not muslim at all or a bunch of weirdo heretics.
Cameron Howard
How much cinnamon toast crunch did you eat today?
Camden Evans
But for what purpose? What is the goal of society?
Even if you're right and atheism will destroy society, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Maybe if knowing the truth leads to the death society, then society deserves to die.
Bentley Parker
Traditional Catholicism or Orthodoxy
Connor Powell
>He was publicly Catholic until the day he died. I agree, but he wasn't a traditional catholic. Regardless my point still stands. Religious observance was a very important part of the nazi ideology.
Camden King
Again another reason thw Internet must be banned.
Atheism is directly correlated by internet access. As much as Sup Forums doesnt like this we would all be better in a less connectwd world where close community is more important.
Nathan Reed
But what does any of that have to do with akira
Samuel Taylor
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Easton Brooks
False. I'm religious and morality is subjective.
Grayson James
>Did you even read my entire post. I addressed that point specifically.
You falsely claimed that Hitler needed paganism to have people believe in nationalism.
Fact is most Germans at the time were Christians and most of the organizations of Nazi Germany were highly religious by today's standards.
Their is no need for fairies and sky daddies to have people believe in nationalism or racial superiority.
Asher Stewart
It's not atheism; it's a lack of duty. You can attribute the shortfall in our societies to atheism because of the pure justice that comes from a belief in Christianity. Not enough time between the two points did not allow for a secular notion of duty.
William Jones
So no matter what you believe it won't change the truth right? We're on the same page here correct?
What you believe is about how your brain is written... also right?
The atheist-theist debate is based on slight changes in the way the opposing brains are written like... correct? Both brain's programs share enough overlaps to oppose another, a contact point is persent right?
The contact point also has a particular structure... doesn't it?
Nicholas Kelly
>How does pointing out that Atheists have killed people do anything to prove what I said wrong. It doesn't it just shows that getting rid of religion wouldn't solve the problem.
>Atheists don't kill in the name of their religion, which is what we are talking about here. They do. Mao specifically killed christians and Buddhists because they weren't atheist and adhered to their god over his communist ideology.
>And if you the influence of Hollywood has had a detrimental effect on the minds of young people than religion then you must be daft. It has. Religion doesn't have young girls turning into sluts. Religion doesn't have young men turning into thugs and degenerates. Religion doesn't raise the divorce rate.
Owen Robinson
I would argue that atheism is not the death of society. Rather, ones viewpoint on free will is the death to society. People who thing they do not have free will of their life, will likely do things that are not morally just thus leading themselves down a road of determinism or worse- fatalism.
One can be atheist and still believe that they have free will over their own life and actions.
Juan Hill
>he was a pagan because he was racist
Samuel Wood
Nice try Christfag
Jackson Green
>Fact is most Germans at the time were Christians and most of the organizations of Nazi Germany were highly religious by today's standards.
>Their is no need for fairies and sky daddies to have people believe in nationalism or racial superiority.
wot the fuck
Kayden Sullivan
>Religious observance was a very important part of the nazi ideology.
lmao are you serious? real talk: neither hitler nor the rest of the NSDAP gave a fuck about christianity. they sometimes paid lip service to it when it was politically convenient, because most of the population was still christian (though not very pious) but that's all there is to it. overall they rather disliked christianity for glorifying weakness and failure, but they didn't act out on this dislike because they couldn't afford the loss in public support that would have entailed.
Joseph Diaz
I see the lack of simple clear cut roles that people had in pre industrial society as inherently tied to lack of religion.
They both go together and are inseperable. You really cannot have pervasive tech that makes life this easy and too sociallly mobile and also still have religion and a sense of duty.
People tend to ignore that technology defines culture.
Isaiah Wilson
>>'80986193 Damn you guys are dumb. These atheists you are talking about don't kill people because they are Atheist do they? No, they have other motivations and justifications for their killings, unlike people like Vlad the Impaler who murdered and tortured thousands of people in the name of Christianity. I'm not sure how you're trying to deny that they dismiss scientific knowledge when they used to kill people if they didn't believe the earth was flat and continue to dismiss evolution in large parts of America, I could go on and on. The fact that you believe teaching kids that they will burn in Hell for eternity is a good thing says a lot really.
Jason Parker
This is also true.
Christian Reyes
KEK FUCKING CONFIRMS IT, FAGGOTS.
Connor Cruz
>low-effort bait/not reading the link
Matthew Collins
>Even if you're right and atheism will destroy society, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Maybe if knowing the truth leads to the death society, then society deserves to die. This is the kind of nihilism atheism creates. Truth has no inherent value. Truth is only valuable because it provides something.
John Gutierrez
Atheists don't kill because the rule of law is still in place
Give it a few years
Evan Lewis
This is why i reject Darwinism including racial eugenics.
There is no God but kek. Christfags should be purged
Camden Evans
What fucking religion are you.
Ian Thompson
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Brandon Bennett
Sky Tengri.
Jace Sanders
Then please use proper nouns.
Ethan Nelson
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Jacob Peterson
Can you stop
Samuel Scott
Independant thought with no moral backing always ends in the worst in humans. It leads to vanity, insecurities, excess, lying, cheating, stealing, rape and murder. When you answer to no higher authority then you will never be the best you can be as a man, or woman. You have got to understand morals.
We received Obama because the nation wanted everything besides religion. Now look at us... if the nation still wants your type of thinking then the nation will factually end. Freedom is never free, if not blood by war then chaos.
Oliver Foster
But you didn't answer the question. What is the goal or purpose of society that is so important you have to brainwash the masses with lies to make sure it doesn't fall apart?
Landon Walker
Look at Sup Forums.
Internet anonymity is the ultimate example of degeneracy. It prevents social shaming and reallt shouldnt be allowed in a righteous society.
Sup Forums promotes anti authority views. It is by nature bad for you
Josiah Taylor
Christ fags are killing the west. Retards get pushed away from right wing politics because they use the bible to justify their stances and now you have this mass perception that everyone right wing is a religious nut.
Was posting molymeme who agrees with OP part of your tanned german plan?
Adrian Howard
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Mason Butler
The West has been dead since the Industrial Revolution
Jaxon Jackson
Christian. Finally the gays can be put to death, and we can have good honest wholesome nations.
Samuel Campbell
>Sup Forums promotes anti authority views.
The authority now is amoral and degenerate
Caleb Ward
then why are you here
Joseph Evans
It is but falling for the ''I'm a rebel'' culture of this place means that you will stop truly being moral if it ever becomes the norm. Sup Forums cares more for being different than actuallt being consistent in principles.
If you're not OK with Sup Forums being banned in your ideal society you're just an amoral contrarian rebel akin to 60s hippies just in reverse
Ian Harris
atheists are usually more educated, so they like to say
Ryan Morales
When was the last time you went to Church OP. Practise what you preach first.
Lincoln Hill
Many hippies grew up and became neocons.
Same will happen to unprincipled Sup Forumsacks. They'll probably go back to being progresives after two terms of Trump just ro be against the norm
David Foster
>Religion is good! Religion is great! >Looks at Islam. >YeahNope.jpg
Religion may come from god, but ultimately a human is the middleman. Ultimately it is corrupted. Ultimately it is made perverse and distorted for the sake of a ruling hierarchy that claims to hear the word of God.
I will have faith in God when God shows himself to me unequivocally, no sooner and no later than that.
Joseph Rivera
I'm a Christian mate. I have only one set of morals regardless of who is currently in charge now
Landon Moore
Gotta agree with you OP. Also the slippery slope is real, first you are not saying grace and the next thing you know you are a omnifaggotos non binoculary fish mouthed degenerate having your dog eat peanut butter out your ass while Jamal fucks your wife in the other room Aka Canada
Joshua Harris
Islam was made by jews
Mason Stewart
So was Christianity.
Brayden Jackson
"From God's lips to my ears, from my lips to your fears."
Jordan Bell
Athiest here.
The main problem aethiests have is that they stupidly equate morality solely to religion, then proceed to rationalize that if one does not need religion they do not need morality and ethics.
In other words they use it as an excuse to be lazy, which offends the shit out of me.
Sebastian Hughes
You included. Have fun working in a coalmine for twelve hours a day because the "Volk" needs you. I'll be sitting here, enjoying my free society. All of you edgy cuntlords think that National socialism and religion are so good because they suppress the people, but you forget that you are part of "the people". Yes, degenerates are annoying and all, but it is a small price to pay in Exchange for your personal liberties. Get fucking real. Go outside and witness all the shit that you are allowed to do in the West. If after that you still long for a dictator telling you what to do and how to do it, move to best Korea and see how that works our for you... Goddamn edgy faglords
Caleb Ross
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Nathaniel Bennett
You are a fucking retarded cuck. First off Vlad the Impaler did not kill muslims for christianity, he wasen't doing crusades. He was killing them because he was a nationalist patriot and they were invading Romania. But I guess you english cucks wouldn't know anything about defending your borders from invaders would you? Also your other things were wrong. And for your last bit, are you saying you should tell a kid that if they kill, rape, and steal they go into heaven? Are you that retarded?
Wyatt Parker
I was beaten to it. Oh well, have this nice image instead. I'd say we're at around the third step.
Zachary Jackson
Yeah. And now even the smartest atheists now will look back and say that a christian society is more efficient.
