Why are Americans against universal healthcare? Genuine question

Why are Americans against universal healthcare? Genuine question

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It'd be installed and maintained by Americans.

They think paying taxes is socialist even though they want tax money to pay for more war and to bail out businesses. They don't think critically about the inconsistency of their views.

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Because you pay for those who don't care for themselves. I'm against it too. You care more for your own health, if you know that you would have to pay for it.

Fun fact, FDR almost passed universal health care but he was opposed by the AMA? Basically the largest lobbying group for doctors.

In modern times, I'm always getting emails from the AMA saying that we need to defend Obamacare and expand coverage even more. Talk about a reversal

I'm not against against it. Most working class people aren't against it.

I don't want to go broke in case I need some treatment

Are you saying that if someone falls Ill he deserved it?

Are you saying that if someone falls ill I deserve to pay for it?

Are you saying it's not your duty to help your fellow man?
Nice ""christian"" nation you've got there

i didnt say nothin

>Religious freedom violently enforced
>Christian nation

I'm saying, you wouldn't smoke, if you knew that you had to pay the therapy against your future cancer yourself

Don't want my tax money going towards non-whites, fat people, or poor people

I DON'T WANNA PAY SO SOMEONE ELSE CAN LIVE! I NEED MUH HAMBURGERS.

Because poor people shouldn't have health care, because otherwise being rich becomes less meaningful.

kek

Greed and spite, mostly.

Hello nigger

What about gorillion kinds of cancer which occur to non-smokers? Is that somehow a person's fault too?

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>black people in america
>massively complex industrial financial sector exists just to create wealth in order to supply you with welfare and expensive shoes
>when you get shot in the latest gang war the finest minds of the 21st century will come together to put you back together so you can hustle once more
>a carefully corporate planned diet of fast food and high fructose corn syrup ensures that you will become morbidly obese before you're age 10
>incredibly profitable eugenic sociocultural hip hop culture-system that ensures any form of trying to be a productive member of society will result in social ostracization and your genes dying out as no woman will see you as attractive, and prevents the establishment of any stable family unit
>massive government project which jams you into low income high pop density housing like sardines for maximum social destruction

it's beautiful

>Why are Americans against universal healthcare?
They're not. They're perfectly okay paying for universal healthcare of Iraqi and Afghani people

We've explained this shit thousands of times
Everybody has access to healthcare, if you pay for private insurance it's better than whatever the government gives you

when my fellow man is either a darkie or a wetback...then yes

you wouldn't be poor if you know you have to pay for your health as well. Sounds good to me.

Because nothing universal exist about our country. We've devolved into a vast economic space filled with isolated individuals who never strive beyond their little microcosm of a world they've developed. Senses of community are non-existent beyond those which you forge yourself. These are still pale in contrast to what's found in other countries.

Yes because pure greed isn't good for the economy in the long run.
businessinsider.com/healthcare-costs-could-spur-the-next-recession-2017-10?IR=T
Not to mention you already pay taxes. You already pay for something that may or may not benefit you in particular but benefits your nation as a whole (e.g. Police, roads, public libraries) so why not healthcare?
Not sure if you're memeing me.
We could look at the % percentage of smokers in the USA against that of free world nations with free healthcare and see if this is true. However, simply educating your population on the dangers of smoking is better. This is why Americans have such a high rate of obesity: because they're not educated on nutrition.

Do you want your tax dollars paying for this guys well being?

This mostly. Nobody in the US can be turned away from ER care- its federal law. It's also safer to be privately insured because government insurance doesn't apply to everyone and the private insurance companies run somewhat of a protection racket where you need to be insured or you're going to get smashed with prices

Because it's bad and wrong.

Any Americans who want it that bad should push for it at their state level or leave the country. It is an inappropriate realm for the federal government to be involved in.

because people are dumbfucks and shouldn't have others cater for them.

>Not sure if you're memeing me.

No, mate totally serious. That's how the upper middle class, quasi-rich people, think. Always striving to differentiate themselves from those below them. They are the most ardent opponents of public services for this reason.

>farmers are stupid so we shouldn't give them public stupid

Isn't the point that his taxes would also pay for my well being?

*public education

I pay more for my health insurance because I smoke.

Why should somebody else pay for my possible cancer?

I-I'd pay for you to get better, John Doe-san :'3

just imagine, he was once a cute little kid, his mommy and daddy loved him very much

how did he end up like this? how did he degenerate to this state?

Isn't there already tobacco tax for that? Like 90% price of the pack is tax

I can't understand this logic desu
Investing in the well-being of your population is good for the economy. Everybody benefits from that (read the article I linked).
Second why you apply this logic to healthcare, but you don't apply the same logic to, say, police? Should someone pay more because he got helped by an officer?

Nah man, just meaning if I do get it, trying to quit

Yeah we have tax on cigs, goes to all kinds of things, but some smokers are on government provided healthcare. I guess it all works out.

How often do you see Americans complain about our system?
It's always other countries that don't understand it

Sending anti-smoking vibes your way froend

>ut you don't apply the same logic to, say, police? Should someone pay more because he got helped by an officer?

I have no idea what you mean, city/county residents pay taxes for police

My police only make $28k per year

Good point

>How often do you see an American complain about our system?
Pretty often actually. Counter question: how often do you hear someone from a nation with UH complain about it?

>implying that guy pays taxes
TOPKEK
Lots of implying going on

The United States has higher healthcare costs related to both misuse of healthcare resources as well as health problems related to weight, proportional to other developed countries. A universal healthcare system in the U.S. would be prohibitively expensive, even if all spending on Medicare was cut to be directed towards universal healthcare instead.

Thanks, last time I tried to quit I couldn't poop for a week

>how often do you hear someone from a nation with UH complain about it?

Many times, it's slow, and much more, also no choices of doctors and sometimes don't get to choose which treatment they get

Subsidizing the poor choices of others is "Investing in the well-being of your population."

Also my insurance covers all dental and eye care, much different than UH

fucking kek

Literally it's because somehow the negroids and chicano parasites would overabuse the system somehow.

>Pretty often actually. Counter question: how often do you hear someone from a nation with UH complain about it?
It has it downsides. Basic stuff like getting to a GP isn't really hard but queue for specialist can be long. Better just pay for private doctor, thanfully most employers have a private insurance plan.
We have a both; private and public healthcare sector. Seems to be working fine

Sending flowing stool vibes my friend

Illegals can get treatment here, that shit bothers me

Send them on a med flight home

>>Religious freedom violently enforced
>>Christian nation
>still no legal abortion

fuck i meant why are christians then trying to ban abortion?

Is this the infamous daneposting?

To be fair many Americans short on cash go to other countries for treatment

Brainwashing

I've heard of them going to Mexico for dental care
People without dental insurance get get fucked by bills

You won't get any special treatment unless you have a residence permit. There was a big controversy few years ago when many Russians came here as a tourist visa seeking treatment

its a legitimate question
why is it ok that christians want some parts of their religion enforced and others not?

hahahahaha Has Afghanistan been covered since the invasion? JUST

What? Dental in the USA is really cheap.

I literally got a teeth cleaning, examination, and full mouth xrays using two different xray machines (like 9 images total) for like 75 dollars at a nice place.

I'm not sure what procedures they get done in Mexico.

I had a 15 minute surgery that billed my insurance $1200, some growth above a tooth

I don't think $1200 for 15 minutes is cheap

It's pretty simple, you're arguing that costs should be based only on a personal basis. You pay for what you need. I'm arguing that this should not be that case as there are already some positive rights in place in the USA that seem to work just fine. Note: if you don't know what a positive right is Google it.


>Subsidizing the poor choices of others is "Investing in the well-being of your population."
Nigga, why do you think the US has the highest % of obese people? Do you think that leaving dumbfucks to themselves is a sustainable strategy in the long run when dumbfucks are a significant portion of your population? Also saying that helping those in need is always "subsidizing the poor choice of others" is disingenuous.

>We have a both; private and public healthcare sector. Seems to be working fine
Same. Basic public healthcare + a healthy private sector is probably the best sistem.

maybe you live in a state with a bunch of bullshit dental regulations or something. I may need to get 3 wisdom teeth removed here soon and I still don't expect to pay close to 1k, and I've never had dental insurance.

we have government healthcare in many forms. The VA Hospital, medicare, medicaid, that time Vermont tried to have universal care at a state level but then had to stop because they couldn't afford it. It's always very expensive, and sucks compared to private insurance, despite costing more. It's not like we haven't tried to do government healthcare, it's just that it fails and dies, or stays alive with an abysmal cost/performance ratio. It's not even due to things like conventional corruption (politicians and bureaucrats just straight up stealing money). It's more due to perverse political incentives on the part of the people who want to implement government services for ideological reasons; creating inflexible noncompetitive government programs without proper incentives to perform well.

I acknowledge that other countries can run an efficient universal government healthcare system (Japan), or a relatively efficient welfare state (Nordics). We're just not capable though. We are trying, and failing, at both. We have been for decades. The US was created by people who hated tyranny more than they hated incompetence, and they did not trust government at all. They made the government inefficient on purpose, to prevent it from steamrolling over the states, private individuals, or businesses. This hasn't prevented us from create a big government though, it's just prevented us from creating a well functioning government.

A lot of people think of the US as this Ayn Rand, Objectivist, libertarian country; with a small government, and rampant unchecked capitalism; but they're wrong. We spend more than almost every country in the world, per capita, on things like public education and public healthcare. We are extremely over regulated. And It's not that we don't spend enough, it's just that our government sucks at doing most things. To the extent that the US is great, it is almost completely due to private enterprise, and civil society; not to government.

>user says people shouldn't have to pay for his choices
>italy argues against it
>I reinforce user, agreeing that we should not have to pay for his poor choices
>italy accuses me of framing all help for people in need is subsidizing poor choices
>and then calls me disingenuous.

Anti-intellectual meatball.

pay even less if you get it done at a dental college with students. sometimes it's even free.

Now that's an idea. ty

i love this pic OP

this guy is right.

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You explicitly said that investing in healthcare is "subsidizing the poor choice of others". I don't think that the people who would benefit from healthcare are all smokers, or all "people who made poor choices". Also I'd add that this doesn't contrast with the idea of UC since you can tax smokers by other means and have them pay more (indirectly or directly).

Ah, I see. This makes sense.

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Most actually aren't.

because "Muh commies"
thats literally it
they could have top healtcare for every single citizen just canceling that hole in the budget that is the F-35

Why are Yuros so obsessed with our domestic laws

get a fucking life

Serious question, and I won't state my personal view on this, but why is it that European people as a whole generally care about the overall well being of society and Americans don't? Europeans seem to be much more willing to pay taxes if everyone benefits, even people who don't want to work. Americans on the other hand don't think people should be given a living wage.

You forgot that our medical tourists pay for their own treatment.

I mean we don't even pay that many taxes in Spain and we have public healthcare, it can't be that expensive
also it would be more expensive to operate it privatized right now than to keep it public here
also like 50% of the US spending goes into the military i think, why keep it so high when 1/3 of the military power is already in the hands of the US

Because they're mainly protestants?
You're being so general and vague isn't helping anyone bud

If the US stops spending all that money in the military their little world police empire would absolutely collapse, and the people that have suffered because of it would retaliate. I think the US has dug a very deep hole with this whole world police thing and theres obviously a lot of money involved.

>Religious freedom violently enforced
sure, that's why people who don't like contraception were rioting in the streets when obongo made them pay to provide their employees with it

fuck off retard

You can't understand because you don't live under a government that utterly and completely fails every time it tries to provide a service to its citizens.

well if they reduced drastically it would create a power void. And power voids are very spooky and every dangerous

>we have government healthcare in many forms. The VA Hospital, medicare, medicaid, that time Vermont tried to have universal care at a state level
none of this is universal care, it's half-cocked government care, without the sorts of bargaining that real universal healthcare can do. Real universal care would be different than those small-scale projects, because the government could say to doctors, BigPharma, and hospitals, "Listen. We're going to pay doctors $X annually, or they can fuck off and change careers. We're going to pay drug companies $Y for every million pills, or if they don't want to sell it to us, we'll just invalidate their IP and buy generics from someone else. We're willing to pay hospitals $A for a bed, $B for this specific surgery, and $C for a checkup; and if you don't like it, we won't pay you anything."

well the most expensive thing is keeping troops in overseas bases
theres probably room for "optimizing" there. a lot

This. Even our police is garbage. Europeans on this board have said I am a paranoid gun nut because I don't trust the police to protect my life, but if you saw how the police acted here you, would feel the same way.

>Serious question, and I won't state my personal view on this, but why is it that European people as a whole generally care about the overall well being of society and Americans don't? Europeans seem to be much more willing to pay taxes if everyone benefits, even people who don't want to work. Americans on the other hand don't think people should be given a living wage.
Because people in European countries share a common history, culture, and language. Half the people in this country are random fucks that just showed up from who knows where. We used to be a homogenous and happy country. We are rapidly descending into shithole status though.
We spend nowhere near 50% on defense. It's more like 15% of total spending.

this. nothing works in the us other than profit motive or charity. government can't take the place of either.

The US needs to keep its influence in the world.
Also the US government is paying billions to companies buying and researching new weapons. The same companies are "persuading" US legislators to keep this whole thing going, because the more conflict and bases we have around the world, the more money they make.
> We used to be a homogenous and happy country
that was a long time ago

I don't know to be honest. Maybe it's because the destruction we faced post WW2 and we had to rebuild our nations. Also we aren't that scared of the commie boogeyman and in general our culture has never been focused on freedom of entrepreneurship at all costs, I guess.
It's true that they spend a shit-ton of money on the military but with the way their economy is dependent on it and the current geopolitical situation I doubt that they will able to change this anytime soon.

I'm sure that handing all power over to the feds will solve every flaw in our healthcare system despite all evidence pointing to their complete inability to do anything without fucking it up

you faggots seem to think that giving more power to incompetent bureaucrats will magically make them better at their jobs and you're all goddamned fools

>You can't understand because you don't live under a government that utterly and completely fails every time it tries to provide a service to its citizens.
Actually the government here is a shitshow, but we made miracles in 50s and 60s (also thanks to the marshall plan) so I guess you're kinda right.

>50% of the US spending goes into the military i think,
no. its more like 16%.

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>theres probably room for "optimizing" there. a lot
Except that there isn't. Because the entire point of American foreign policy for the past 70 years is to be the British Empire but bigger. To do that we need a lot of fleet and air bases to protect the shipping lanes

Every government is a shitshow. If you work on any government and in some cases corporate setting, you'll realize no one really gives a shit about what's going on.

I understand what you are saying, and when i say "benefits everyone" i didnt actually mean that everyone wins. What I meant really was that everyone takes advantage of the system(in this case, universal healthcare) whether they are contributing to it or not. And Europeans seem to have no problem supporting this idea while Americans do.

>33% Social security unemployment & labor