"""americans will always fight for liberty"""

>"""americans will always fight for liberty"""

>USA doesn't recognize the will of the 90% of catalans to become a nation...


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a.) The referendum is illegal
b.) Catalonia does not have any legitimate grievances with Spain, unlike literally every other independence movement, whether it's Bolivarian South America breaking away from Spain, the USA's lack of representation in Britain's government, or Ireland being starved and exploited by the British Empire.

Give me one good example of how Spain oppresses Catalonia, one example that can't be resolved democratically.

Hypocrit

>Expecting moral consistency from Americans

...

Catalonia wants to be a sovereign state and Spain does not let them. And no, it cannot be resolved with the current Constitution. And to change that needs 3/4 of parliament and the Senate. And opponents of this have absolute majority in the Senate.
If Spain does not want, Catalonia will never be an independent nation. Even if all of the catalans wanted and voted for it every single year of their lives.

>Hypocrite
>I directly explained how the USA's circumstance was different
Illiterate

Spain isn't oppressing Catalonia, not beyond recent events.

only 43% voted in the illegal referendum, there were stuffed poll boxes with Yes votes before polls were opened, with people voting multiple times, etc.

It's almost like "liberty" is subjective and if everyone who wanted independence got it the world would be a fucking mess

It's not about being oppressed. Every nation has its right of self-determination, and you can't tell Catalonians what to do with themselfes

a) Your independence was also illegal... And NOT recognized by the majority of the world literally till 1820.

b) Yes they have, and not just one... Since 2012 they're asking that catalan money remain in Catalonia and not in other siesta regions like Extremadura... They're also tired of being segregated and discriminated by other spaniards, watch some youtube videos about catalanofobia, they even call this (dignity request).
>Give me one good example of how Spain oppresses Catalonia, one example that can't be resolved democratically.

Are you fucking serious? Didn't you see the repression of the Guardia Civil in the referendum?? (((+800 injured people)))

Dont you see what is happening right now?? They want to impose against the will of the Catalan people.

It's almost like governments only ever really act in their own self-interests and don't actually have consistent moral standards

*90% of 43% of Catalonias population

Free Circassia, Dagestan, Tataria, Karelia, Ingria, Yakutia, Buryatia, ...

Did majority of population of these "regions" ever made a referendum for independence?

Did you ever allow them to ?

it's not like they ever asked to

Kinda yes,in early 90's
Also most of so-called "ethnic republics" have a Russian majority population,instead of their titular one

so what?
~60% of whatever% of French voted for Marcon. Does it make him less of a president?

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well, I understand why nothing makes sense to you people

Imagine yourself in the occupied France... Nobody wanted the nazi flag in the Eiffel tower, YOU don't want to be a german; but still they have taken control of your country.

What germans did with the 'ressistence' (90% of frenchs) is pretty much what Spain is doing right now, without killing them.

>DER JUDE

No, but those against the independance didnt vote since the referendum was illegal for them, so its worthless.

>if I do not participate I can complain later on!
They were not prevented from voting, and by staying silent they gave the legitimacy the the result.

Why do you accept a propaganda poster to reality?

The US doesnt care about the standard of living of anyone even its citizens only profiteering by policing the world for its owners so no one goes against their intetests.

>Catalonia wants to be a sovereign state

Too bad, you're a unitary country, not a federation. Catalonians can fuck off and move out of the country to enjoy their freedom from Spain, not try a land grab stealing sovereign Spanish territory.

You people deserve bullets like the traitorous scum you are, you're lucky you're only going to lose your parliament instead.

Why would they participate in a referendum which by every metric is illegal except "muh feels" ? Theyd vote if it was a real one, and not this where fraud was widespread.

That is Spain's fault. They should have organized things properly.

they would if the Spanish government would allow it, this discussion of legality is autism.

Then they debate it in the National Assembly in Madrid, not do one on their own that was destined to end badly. It would take time, but it would have been a better attempt than this mess.

>autism
>Sup Forums
well

>Free Circassia, Dagestan
please take it away

i dont think any americans know where catalonia is lmao

No one in the US is ideological selfess or kind, any invasion is simply for exploitation, these low iq retards trusting the state as benevolent are infantilized idiots or literal man chikdren non whites who are children by nature.

Well in order to get you gaijins tuned in the transitory law will give legislative powers to the cultural associations which organized the referendum which even its observers dind't gave legitimacy to the census.

So well now until elections OMNIUM and ANC which NOBODY has elected will have rule of law until elections.

is this real democracy or we some useful iditos.

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Of course the government is going to go against it, the only real solution to this is a civil war and if the nationalists wanted it enough they'd hold their own referendum OH WAIT they did.

The only ultimate that matters is money in the US everything else us secomdary except for those swindled in thinking otherwise.

The only thing congress cares about are tgeir multi million dollar bank accounts as they swimdle gullible infantalized "patriots".

>90% of catalans
>Impying the voting was even up to international standards
>Implying 90% of Catalunya voted

>90% of catalans
come on now

Having people that don't want to be part of your country in it sounds like a pain. Imo Spaniards should have let them have a referendum.
Too late for that now.

free siberia you filthy opressor

>foreigners and americans alike constantly complain about america sticking its nose where it doesn't belong
>HURRR DURR WHY DINT YOU HELP DEEE CATALONIESSS