How old were you when you realised taxation is theft and there is no legitimate moral argument for it?

How old were you when you realised taxation is theft and there is no legitimate moral argument for it?

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Taxation is patriotic, without it you wouldn't have roads, a fire dept, police dept, or a society you filthy anarchist retard.

FPBP

ur just lyke the antifa scum and wut they stand 4

How is paying for services rendered not moral?

It's still theft, no? Nevermind everything else. Theft is theft. No justification for it.

Nothing wrong with taxation itself, it's where that funding goes that's the problem

>t. Jew
Roads? Buy a Jeep
Fire Department? Don't set a fire
Police department? Just shoot niggers
Go to bed kid, you burning moms electricity

I didn't agree to it. There's no consent. With some random person in the street they'd be arrested but because its the state, that's okay?

I didn't ask for it, retard. It's like some hobo washes your car windows when you're at a red light and he asks for money. Fuck you, tramp.

Well that can't be true because there are already moral justifications for theft alone.

what this guy said. taxes help a lot. sure we all hate a % taken away from our pay. Maybe they would take less if we elect leaders that will change regulations and not let the wealthy receive such ridiculous tax breaks.

fuck off scum, go hang out with antifa

That is the mindset of a mental midget

only a COMMIE would say that.

Yes. Just like a car running a red light is illegal but an ambulance running one isn't.

Lol, commies love taxes. Retard.

Not an argument

Tax ain't theft you need to pay it so I can can pick up $300 in food stamps per week and chill at the house playing Witcher 3.

The services already rendered so too bad. If you don’t want to participate in society, go in the woods and cut yourself off from the grid. But don’t use the internet or roads or other products from our society and complain about taxes. Fucking idiot.

I don’t argue with retards, they don’t understand anything

everything is a money grab, often using the flimsiest of pretexts, pic related

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Would you rather have "taxes" or "extortion"?
How about "insurance" versus "protection"?
Government or the Gang, you decide.

Honest question: do people argue that taxes are theft because they don't believe society should have taxes? Or that they're just a necessary evil? If it's the former, how do you have civilization without taxation?

Fuckin A what a dumb statement. Humans have had to SHARE some responsibilities since we were cavemen. It's just we have a monetary system where you SHARE your work for the good of all. Go live in a fucking cave if you don't want to contribute.

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>i kidnap you but give you a ham sandwich once a day
>be grateful motherfucker

We have civilisation by accepting that theft is immoral

Okay, how about we agree you can't use roads, sidewalks, police department, fire department, or anything funded by taxes. Does that sound reasonable?

What this guy said too. Currency is printed using our tax dollars. If you want them and want to use them, then you better chip in bitch.

wrong

Not an argument.

How is it not? You don't want to be taxed right? So lets agree you have to stop using services that those taxes fund. Its only the most reasonable argument that can be made here.

Rich pay more than you in taxes. You might find some anecdotal evidence where some rich person took a huge loss but if you look at the IRS tax charts the every tax group has a higher tax bracket than the last. Except for the top bracket which has a slightly lower average tax rate.

Any practical ideas, or are you just going to be a dumb nigger about it?

Damn we got all the shills in one thread, nice. Thanks OP I think you composed my daily bait post

Perhaps I should say Ultra wealthy. That tiny bit can add up to millions of dollars.

Because the state has put a gun in my head and everybody else's to build this world. Am I just supposed to kill myself because I don't agree with how tjey funded it? Again, back to the kidnapper analogy. If they stole my money to pay for a sandwich which is my only option, is it wrong to eat it?

I don't need to come up with ideas. No theft allowed. We all work from there.

Taxation, if it was balanced and flat %, and then produced the products it was garnished for? Would be then a Civilian Spending Plan where we got what we paid for. Not the bullshit we do now. Taxation as we have now is Fraud. Enforced by the laws which are asinine and the idea that if one does not pay one is imprisoned and loses rights. Taxation is Theft, Extortion, Fraud, and Racketeering. How about that?

Fuck he's right. I've been got.

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commies don't pay taxes LOL THEY TAKE AND TAKE

As much as I don't like taxes, I do enjoy roads, free health care, free education, not paying for emergency services, and subhumans not trying to stab me on every street corner

You’re ham sandwich “metaphor” doesn’t really work.

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No legitimate moral argument sure, but there are logical ones for it(Schools, roads, libraries, hospitals, police, etc.). Quit using your heart and use your brain, Libertarian. Look up Propertarianism if you want better guidelines to community property and regulation on what your taxes are used on.

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Then why do taxes have to be collected by force?

Why not?

weak b8

Millions yes.. if you taxed the top 1% at 100% you still couldn't balance the budget or pay for socialized medicine. Plus the bottom 50% have an average tax rate of about 3% so when it comes to tax cuts to boost the economy, which is going to help more?

kek, op is a teen who just got his first paycheck

Are the roads the ham sandwiches? What are you talking about lmao

Check it out, taxes disappear, poof. "Oh noo muh police, muh fire department, muh electricity, muh roads, etc."
Here's a completely wild fucking thought, how about you use the infrastructure that's already in place, and actually work together at a community to maintain and operate it? Go work on a road crew for a few days, then get catered by a local place for free. Buy a gun, meet your neighbors, agree that you all have to take responsibility for your safety, and will look out for each other. Volunteer at the fire department, learn how to use the equipment, learn how to drive the truck, show up when there's a fire.
Support your local medical experts. Make sure they get theirs, make sure they're fed and comfortable. Meet them. Know them. Offer them a hand in return for their services. Offer to give a hand any way you can, in exchange for treatment.
Learn how electricity generation happens, volunteer to help linemen fix problems, teach others how to help care for your world.
Tl:dr
Be fucking involved and invested in your community. Don't hide in your house all day and accuse people who hate taxes of being a drain on the world. You are a fucking drain on the world. You fork over as much money as you can for it to be someone else's problem, to dodge the responsibility, and when people want to you bawww like children. Learn how to work for your life you fucking useless bags, instead of paying someone else to work for it.

Yoi dont have to pay taxes if you dont work. Move to federal land in the middle of nowhere and be a hermetic. Then you wont have to pay taxes. But if you want to be a part of normal society then you have to pay for its upkeep. Roads, defense, welfare, etc are all things that society has deemed must be paid for so if you want to be around society, then you must pay for it. If not, go away from everyone else.

Not an argument, brainlet.

I should be able to do a job for somebody if I want. Nobody should be able to jump in and say I owe them money.

COMMIE FILTH

How old are you? Like 15?

In fact, here's a proposal, if people go volunteer to work on road crews, in hospitals, fire departments, power companies (that are subsidized)
Basically anything that taxes pay for, don't get paid, but get that tax deducted, all the way down to zero if they want. Then people can not pay taxes, not be a drain on society, and all you overgrown babymen can still boomerpost at home and pay your taxes like good little goys and ignore the community you're a part of.

Like I want to pay Cops their salaries.

People in Mexico pay private bodyguards or karate classes. I could be training muay thai while I contemplate the balance of being a victim to the narcos or being the victim of the American justice system and faggots larping as nazis

Because it just doesn't happen.

Offer a counter-point.

>New job in you ideal society
>Building widgets, paying no taxes, no patent protection because that would require government
>Send them all over the world
>China starts building the same thing. puts you out of business.

There is this thing called reality. You should try it out sometime.

14? 13?

Shit I can pimp slap an incompetent pig in my country without fear for my safety and life. You'll never know true freedom.

Not an argument.

Why would I argue with someone who has no or very little life experience? Ever been outside of this country? Ever been to were people live like you want to live? I have. Their lives suck.

Literal communism

Not an argument.

part of your taxes pay for patent protection. Are you against patent protection?

You are proposing literal communism
Please explain the ham sandwich thing, you’ve really made me curious about how this plays out in your mind

Give me one reason it should be defined as theft, retard

You pay taxes, and you get this shit in return. It's essentially a transaction. You agree to it when you decide to continue living somewhere.

We know anarchy/fuck the government is cool and all, but you'll get over it when you're >14 years old

>Have to participate in the global economy to survive as a community
>have to send products to China to be copied
>no protections but you're not allowed to physically destroy a company that tries to steal your work

>"It has to be the way it has always been, there is only one way for it to work"

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>won't even attempt to make an argument
>Hhhehe u must be 12
Checks out

>Itt: muricans complaining about high taxes
Try living in Scandinavia and report back m'kay

>Buy a Jeep
hahaha
nigga buy a truck you fucking loser
people who get jeeps are too retarded to make even simple decisions

Not an argument.

I'm against theft. So no taxes, pal.

The ham sandwich thing is basically an anology about a kidnapping thing. Somebody has taken hold of me, against my will, and they think that because they offer me food or shelter, I should be grateful for it. Even though I didn't ask to be taken, I didn't ask to be held in their basement, I should be grateful to them because they feed me. Obviously it's wrong.

I didn't ask for it, but they take my money regardless. Doesn't matter what they offer, I didn't ask for it. And if I don't agree I'm put in prison.

Not an argument

I bet that "free healthcare" is so great.

Without a central government to take wealth? You fucking moron, communism is 100% taxation, not 0% taxation

Not an argument

Anarchy you dolt, no government, no taxes. Weird how the bad A word could represent a united community of people working together

It's great man, broken arms and legs and didn't have any insurance.

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

But taxation is theft,

I get 3421$ is government money a month. I love your taxes.

2 seconds later I realized it paid for the armed forces that keeps people at bay that want to blow up giant whales like you into burning blubber.

Seriously, shut up

whats your tax rate?

yeah, free healthcare sucks. in canada, you have to wait a long time to get your free healthcare. here, they take it seriously. at least we have urgent care.

protip: don't be a dumb asshole and go to the emergency room even if you have a nail through your hand from a nailgun and you're pouring blood. you have 5.6 liters of fucking blood. you can fill a 44oz thirstbuster before you're in big trouble. go to an urgent care place, which are often totally empty and cost 1/10 what you'll spend at an emergency room. i have one less than 2 minutes away driving, or 10 minutes walking. some asshole complained about a 3k bill for slicing his finger that wouldn't stop bleeding. that's right, asshole. you learn when you're 8 that you can wrap a string around a finger to stop circulation and you're 45 and can google urgent care.

If you are an unironic anarchist, you are a mental child who cannot fathom the concept of power. A tribe that refuses to unite will be wiped out. Yes, refusing to form a nation is refusing to unite, your hippie commune doesn't count. PEOPLE WANT TO DESTROY AND ENSLAVE YOU. Fucking moron.

How old were you when you realized that your opinion is irrelevant?

>be OP
>No useful skills
>have shitty minimum wage job(maybe)
>thinks his life would be better if "society came together and supported each other"
>Thats really just code for he wants to sit and play video games while others do the hard work.

38% base, ends on around 42% when everything is calculated

What's more retarded than a Democrat and Republican?

A libertarian neckbeard.

No? I refuted your point that the global market would ever have to see the goods a community exported (if export was even realistic in that setting)
I refuted that chinese companies would ever see the products to copy them.
I refuted your point that patents and protection, some bigcorp could just take a product freely and undercut you.
Bigcorp would undoubtedly fall apart without a base of desperate tax cattle in need of any employment they could find anyway, and second, you could mob and burn the fucking corporation down for trying to destroy your livelihood.

No it's not, we consented to allowing the Government to collect taxes. It is not something you are allowed to opt out of you idealistic retard.

This is why you're the least funniest on legion of skanks, you fucking kike

You did though, why can't you retards realise that by choosing to stay in society you implicitly agree to a whole bunch of things

But theft isn't wrong.

Not an argument.

Not an argument.

I'm not allowed to opt out. Government has a gun to my head.

Not an argument.

dude.. if you shot a nail through your hand, go to the ER. regardless of health insurance or not.

>be me
>Found lump in my neck
>make apt to see doctor in 2 days
>see doctor, he orders ultrasound and blood work
>ultrasound is 3 days later, but only because of the weekend.
>Week passes, blood work is normal for white blood cells, ultasound showed lump but its not looking abnormal
Doctor says I should see specialist
>Make appointment to see specialist in 3 days, again its a friday, apot is on monday
>See specialist, get drugs for what is probably just a bacterial infection

so in 2 weeks I got to see 2 doctors, have blood work, and get an ultrasound.. How would that have taken in Canada or Europe?

>just work together and meet your neighbors if you want police, fire department, etc

my guy you are naive. people will not do this, and it is absolutely absurd that you would think such a thing is possible.

last year my tax rate was about 7% after all my deductions and I make about 90k a year.

>i do a job for somebody in return for payment
>this means I agree to government taking a portion for my pay

No, not really.