/lang/ - Language Learning General

Language thread! Too lazy to think of an edition edition!

>What language are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Find people to train your language with!

>Learning resources
Check """pastebin.com/ACEmVqua""" for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides.
/lang/ is currently short on those image guides, so if you can pitch in to help create one for a given language, don't hesitate to do so!

Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages:
Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages:
drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/SqK7XXvfiXs
youtu.be/Y4cXIyyc-L0
vocaroo.com/i/s0SXigVjCTvO
vocaroo.com/i/s04x6vVnBzRs
youtube.com/watch?v=3LD2SrbBaJA
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

langfocus is a fun channel on youtube

Whats it good for? Is it like an overview of a language or tips on learning them?

He gives a bit of history about languages, their vocabulary, history, cultural significance, and origin. I have absolutely no ear for language, but I've enjoyed his videos just for the history of various languages.

Here's an example
youtu.be/SqK7XXvfiXs

Nice, this is neat

I've watched quite a few of his videos, they are pretty good.

I feel like langfocus is gonna run out of ideas soon, there's only so many lang topics

I don't know, Language is something that is constantly changing and has a very storied past. I've been watching him for a year or so, and I still haven't seen every video.

>been going for walks whilst listening to pimsleur
pretty comfy learning desu senpai

How do i learn russian?
Its been almost 2 years since ive learned Cyrillic and still cant hold a conversation

It is not easy
youtu.be/Y4cXIyyc-L0

Gib something to read on vocaroo

vocaroo.com/i/s0SXigVjCTvO

vocaroo.com/i/s04x6vVnBzRs

It's my regional dialect, of course you do not understand.

How do regional dialects vary in russian

What do you mean? Is it not like your local dialects in the US?

youtube.com/watch?v=3LD2SrbBaJA
> tfw no polyglot gf

>protofocus
hes ok

I don't know why, but for some reason I really don't like this chick. I don't know her, and I wish her the best, but I'm not enjoying seeing her on video.

Shes a co-founder of wikitongues

I will never be at any decent level in Japanese

Never heard of it. Sorry, tonight is my first night on Sup Forums. Not bullshitting you either. I'm on Sup Forums and Sup Forums usually. I thought I would branch out and see what was up elsewhere.

One tool not in the pastebin is Readlang, it's like a DIY Clozemaster which lets you turn text into flashcards which you can review online or export to another program like Anki. The drawback is that the automatic translation can be unreliable, and the free version has a restriction on the number of phrases you can translate per day (but no restriction on the number of individual words). Apart from that it's a good tool for learning from a range of different texts in your target language.

How are you enjoying Sup Forums?

i think im getting burned out, i've been cramming vocab and kanji all day in memrise
>wat do?

She has a punchable face.

took me, i kid you not, 3 hours to write a 160 characters long text in chongchongese yesterday
Im going to uni now and im pretty sure my teacher will laugh at how bad it is
This stupid gookspeak is unlearnable; fucking hell
Japanese is orders of magnitude easier

really? It lowkey stresses me out. Maybe it doesn't help that I only listen to it walking to/from work, so theres a bit of mental association.

>cramming Kanji
dont do this. What I did was:
>Pick 7 kanji
>write them out 10 times each (WITH PROPER STROKE ORDER), reciting (out loud or in my head) all the readings and the meanings
>work through the associated pages and 漢字のドリル (a workbook that Japanese kids use in elementary school to learn Kanji)
>The next day, repeat with a new group of 7
>then write out the previous 7, 20 to 50 times (i found this to be enough for the muscle memory), again reciting readings/meanings
>the next day, a new 7
>write out the previous 7 20 to 50 times etc etc
>review the first 7, making sure you remember the readings/meanings
>repeat ad infinitum, reviewing as far back as you feel you need to

It was basically like an on-paper Anki, but with writing practice

>work through the associated pages in*** 漢字のドリル

what's that picture?

La torre de babel.

>run out of ideas
>literally over 6000 languages in the world
>all of which are constantly changing
>he only gives an absolutely brief overview of some of the most common languages

He hasn't even scratched the surface of the languages that he has done videos on

¿Como en la biblia? JajajajajJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAENSJSJSKAJSJAJANSNSN

made my first /lang/ purchase

but i only want to read japanese user.

"daraus ergibt sich für uns alle"

what does this mean in German?

Can any of you good anons get a torrent for coffee break French all seasons? Heard they're good for listening.

"from that (it) happens to us all", is what I'd say. got any more context?

It was a Muslim talking about "die Umgang mit der deutschen Geschichte." In this case, the German responsibility for the Holocaust and the Nazis.

> Daraus ergibt sich für uns alle, eine Verantwortung, dafür dass wir die democratische und die Menschlichenrechte wir waren.
I don't know if the last word is waren. It might be a different word, but it sounds like waren.

I have no idea what he's saying. From that (the Nazi and Holocaust and shit), we get to have democracy and human rights?

excuse any typos. It's all audio, no written form.

This is the most I can make of that (although admittedly my German is pretty rusty):
>Hence there's an responsibility for us all, since we were the democratic and human rights.
Not sure what the double "wir" is doing there, perhaps one of them is actually "wie"?

oh sorry, the second "wir" doesn't exist. I'm a bad typist.

> Daraus ergibt sich für uns alle, eine Verantwortung, dafür dass wir die democratische und die Menschlichenrechte waren.

I don't know. My listening comprehension is shit. I hope that if I listen more, my listening comprehension will be less shit.

>I hope that if I listen more, my listening comprehension will be less shit.
That's how it works, yes. Just don't give up and you'll get there.
Without the second "wir" my translation is accurate, as far as I can see. Seems odd to say you ARE rights, but hey, that's what it says.

well then the muscle memory will be a nice bonus i guess

Tell me more about the writing strategy? How many papers have you burned through so far?

He most likely said 'wahren', which means to preserve.

If you can find a copy/PDF of the 漢字のドリル workbook, as well as copies of 漢字の本 from grades 1 to 6 and just work through them side by side, its a pretty good system that got me up to reading and writing about 500 kanji in 10 months (mileage may vary depending on slack day and the like)
>pic related, its grade 1 漢字の本
I mean it was pretty much just systematic drilling that made it easy to internalize everything. I cheated a little bit, in that I was living in Japan while I did this, so I do my drills, go outside and see what I was just drilling and go "ah hey, thats read like blah blah and that word means blah blah"

Well I haven't studied any kanji in like 4 years, but I always used grid paper notebooks for it (it wasn't quiet "grid" paper, but it was designed for one character per square), and if I recall correctly, one notebook would last me about 1 kanji grade or so. So I could fit every grade 3 kanji into one notebook for example. I managed to get up to about grade 4/5, so I probably went through about 3 of 4 notebooks.

ask away if you have any questions though, learning kanji was incredibly helpful to learning Japanese as a whole, it made the vocabulary make so much more sense, and by extension easier to remember and use

So essentially just draw it many times then. Do you have any other supplemental resources, or beginner story books to practice reading early on?

Yep, writing it out a bunch helps to see the differences between similar kanji (eg 池 vs 他) quite quickly as well.

for supplementary materials, i used an app called Obenkyou on android (theres probably something similar on iphone if it hasnt been ported). Otherwise, it was mostly just the basic 漢字の本 and 漢字のドリル that I used to learn kanji.
In terms of reading practice, I would recommend reading slice-of-life manga (things like Azumanga Dayo, Yotsuba to!, Nichijou, Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou, etc are all really enjoyable to read) or other easy manga.

Oooh I got it! it's not waren, it's wahren.

> Daraus ergibt sich für uns alle, eine Verantwortung, dafür dass wir die democratische und die Menschlichenrechte wahren.
>Hence there's an responsibility for us all, for us to preserve our democratic and human rights.

انا ادرس اللغة الربي ولكنه صعب جداً

Ugh I mispelt العربية
أيضاً انا ادرس العربي الفصحى فقط

>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages:

Someone fucking seed the Assimil torrents REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Çok güzel

only options are living in Russian speaking areas or giving up. try Kyrgyzstan

About to start learning verbs in Russian. What should I expect, lads?

unending pain

Yay

>tfw too dumb for Spanish

even 60 IQ niggers from Equatorial Guinea can speak Spanish in addition to multiple other languages

you can do it user

I've got about 200 hours studying so far and can't really have even a basic conversation.

>americans trying to learn russian
just...why? what for?

In case we get stuck in a Uboat and need to control it

Err...Russian submarine - whatever those are called, not Uboat.

Speaking is hard. What about listening?
can you understand Spanish TV?

I'm starting to understand more stuff. Depends what it is, and who. For example I can't understand much of the news just yet. I get bits and pieces. Same with browsing Hispachan or something. I just feel like I learn very slowly.

cases. every verb has a million different forms. forget about your -ing and -ed.

attraction to Russian culture and the need to understand Russian in order to access it

that doesn't mean you're too dumb, just that the methods you are using are ineffective.

I use Pimsleur, reading, and speaking to natives mostly.

have u considered going for full immersion?

I can't because not NEET. :/

When someone makes up a word in Russian, how do you know if you should add a character like ь to it?

there are a lot of porn games in russian, that's my next language

Russians seem to have good banter
Interesting culture (unusual for me) and women lel

I like it so far, even though it's difficult as fuck, it's slowly starting to piece together

The other day I bought a book on Swiss German from the book store on impulse because the lady came over and said they were closing in like 2 minutes.
Turns out its basically just a phrase book reeeeeee

>tfw your country is completely irrelevant and absolutely no one is learning your language

you are Swiss French?

well most young Lithuanians speak English so it would be sort of pointless

Bro I ain't even Swiss Swiss. I'm Canadian and I just wanna integrate into society ;_;

Good foray into other Slavic languages and it was the best scientific language for my PhD

holy fuck, tell me the story. do you have residency/citizenship or are crossing the border every 90 days to renew your visa?

Neither, I'm doing an internship so I've got a working visa that's good for the whole time my contract is valid.
But I wanna make cool swiss friends outside of work and I don't feel like I can really do that with English or High German

Why are you choosen Switzerland? How is the biggest difference between Canada and Switzerland, can you write cons and pros?

lel, if it weren't for the cultural access that i get by learning another language i wouldn't even bother with it.

desu I got lucky lel
I sent out a bunch of applications and resumes, and I sent one to a company in Switzerland just for shits and gigs. When I got an interview, and later offered the job, I knew there was no way I could turn it down.

As for the biggest differences, it's hard to say. I don't know too much outside of shopping and working.
>Things are more expensive in Switzerland (except for wine, which is fucking based)
>People party till later in Switzerland
>People also work until later in Switzerland
>It may just be my workplace, but people seem to have better working habbits here? I almost never see anyone on their cellphone at work
If I was better with swiss german it'd be easier to learn about the social differences

Thanks for answer, have a nice stay in Europe

Y-you too Poland

I am taking Russian classes right now. Can/should I teach myself Polish?

Two languages are generally OK for most people. But, as with everything, it ultimately depends on you. Sounds like you might be in school, can you juggle extra self-taught responsibilities?

You fucker you can find that free online

I probably won't have the time to do anything regularly (at least insofar as doing it daily and especially at the same time), I'm in my first semester of uni, but I have a grammar book and parsing though it it looks at least somewhat similar to Russian (which, duh) so I was thinking about somewhat casually looking at it

some people like having physical copies of things.

Probably wouldn't hurt then, more knowledge is always good.

Bump

I bumped yer mum

Is there any recc'd text to understand what I suppose is basic linguistics, i.e. what is a noun, verb, adverb, preposition etc. in order to have a better grasp of any particular language's grammar?

I thought my Turkish was coming along really well but I've had my shit participaled the fuck up.
For Turks learning English, do you find the -dik, -ecek, -an English equivalents difficult?

Are you asking what a noun is?