Patriots all-21st-century team

Who would you pick? Who would get snubbed? I think WR would be the hardest choice:
>Welker
>Moss
>Edelman
>Playoff Amendola
>Brown
even Hogan is bretty gud

who would you pick Sup Forums?

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Gostkowski > everyone else
Points win games and he's scored the most points of any patriot.

Bump

qb: goodell
every other position: refs
kicker: vinatieri

Probably edelman. He's troy brown and Welker combined.

QB: Bledsoe

>branch not mentioned

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Moss has to be one of your WRs. You just can't not pick a top 3 all-time WR in his prime.
>Weldrop
is probably the easiest to replace. Edelman as slot, Amendola as #3, and Troy Brown as returner. Hogan as #4 receiver/backup deep threat.

QB: 2007/2010/2015 Brady
TE: Gronk/Hernandez combo

RB: Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon, James White

vinatieri was money in NE too though, and he was clutch as fuck to boot

not to mention that he'll be remembered for his Patriot days more than his Colts tenure even though he's now been with them longer than the Pats
>ynr Vinatieri outscoring peyton over the entire Colts' 2006 SB run

Hernandez

welker was better than amendola

>everyone says brady has no targets for years, that's why his stats don't compare to peyton
>fagtard bautism fan realize Brady has had stacked receiver corps for YEARS and brags about this
>forgets he's supposed to say manning is a wr babby

lol gotta love how fucking retarded patriots fans are

>Moss has to be one of your WRs. You just can't not pick a top 3 all-time WR in his prime.
If we're talking about who was the best for the Patriots though, then there's an argument. Moss was amazing. But Patriots Moss was "only" very good.

I didn't realize people from Indiana had this kind of inferiority complex with New England. Always thought Chicago was your main focus.

are patriots fans actually getting dumber? how can this even be possible?`

>i-if i accuse him of having an inferiority complex first it hides the fact that i have an inferiority complex

kek such a fucking brainlet

>Brady
>Dillon, Faulk
>Moss
>Edelman
>Branch
>Light
>Mankins
>Koppen
>Neal
>Solder
>GRONK, Watson

>Seymour
>Wilfork
>Warren
>McGinest
>Hightower
>Bruschi, Mayo
>Vrabel
>Harrison,McCourty
>Milloy
>Law
>Butler, O.Smith

>Vinatieri
>Allen
>T.Brown
>Slater

I'm not even a pats fan I was wondering how the manlets match up with moss

I'm a Bears fan, I don't really care about Peyton or Brady, just think it's weird how you've got this sense that patriots fans are always thinking about you when they're probably more concerned with Pittsburgh

Moss only ran one route HURR GO DEEP. He was aces at it, but Edelman, Branch, Welker and the like ran the timing routes Brady is so fond of.

All of those guys besides moss wouldve been shit without brady

Not when the games mattered.

Playoffs are obviously being factored in here, you idiot.

this is the correct (and only) answer to the question.

10/10

>not to mention that he'll be remembered for his Patriot days more than his Colts tenure
Is that why Bostonniggers are still butthurt about him leaving?

I'm not. It's his loss.

>QB not Vinatieri

youtu.be/LDJSl2Mhazo?t=62

Vinatieri was way better are you kidding

>no Hernandez

the guy literally played every position on offense and was more agile than Gronk he wouldve been goat

I would rather Jermaine Wiggins than that fucker.

I literally typed and deleted several times trying to argue against this but its fucking perfect.
Fuck you. Have a Brady.

welker - tends to do poorly in playoff games
moss - fluky
edelman - prone to greatness in a clutch situation
amendola - not as gritty as edelman but very reliable
brown - good in his context but edelman edges him

id pick edelman

Amendola hasn't lost them any owls

this

>98 Moss and 07 Brady
30+ TDs

Pretty damn accurate, the third WR is the toughest choice here, it's a tough call between Amendola and Branch considering the last few years of Amendola amazing playoff performances, and we all know how great Branch was in big games, I'd even consider Troy Brown for how versatile he was, not only great on offense but turned out very key at DB in the playoffs.

The only thing here I'd disagree with is Mayo, I think he was overrated and never made many key plays in the playoffs, and your list is built around big time playoff performers (rightfully so, that's what the Patriots are all about). I might consider Larry Izzo there, he was so clutch in those playoff runs early on, especially against those Colts teams, Ninkovich could be another possibility I guess.

Jerod Mayo was an all-pro LB before injuries delrailed his career, The rest of the defense was just plain terrible other than McCourty during those years. I'd argue Mayo was better than Hightower.

If I were to throw in an ILB over Mayo it would be Ted Johnson, but Mayo was a better athlete and a tackle machine for a number of years. Izzo would fall under the ST standout.

Troy Brown

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Gost blows away Vinatieri in almost every category for the pats. He just doesn't have as many historical moments.

Ben Coates was better than Hernandez

Stanley Morgan/Irving Fryar

>all pro lb
Which is why I say overrated, he racked up a lot of tackles which looked good in the stats (more than Hightower), but his actual on field impact was not so great, proven by the defense same effectiveness (or same lack of) when he played or when he didn't. He picked up so many tackles on runners four yards or so past the line of scrimmage, his tackles weren't as meaningful as the stats suggest. And his playoff performances were abysmal. He was a huge liability in the passing game, bad at getting pressure, and never ever came up with the big play on a key third down in the playoffs or something like that.

Look at what happened when he went down in 2014, they were just fine without him, it was Hightower and Butler who saved the Super Bowl with huge plays at the end of the game. Look this year when Hightower went down, it was obvious how much their defense suffered.

>better than Hightower
That's asinine, Hightower has made so many game changing plays in the games that mattered most it's not even comparable. When they faced the Giants the second time they could have used anything from Mayo, a strip sack, a third down sack, a fumble recovery, batted pass anything - there was nobody on that defense that could make a play to get off the field throughout the whole fourth quarter, and Mayo was supposed to be leader of that defense.

I'm going through all of Mayo's plays in the Super Bowl here for example:
pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201202050nwe.htm
>tackle after 8 pass complete
>tackle after 6 yard run
>tackle after 13 yard pass
There's not an impactful play on here, his best play was stopping Bradshaw for one yard once in the whole game. This was story of his career, one Hightower strip sack means more than all this.

Guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Harrison, Ty Law, were always making some play when the game mattered most, even if their numbers weren't fancy, Hightower belongs on that list.

The plays that matter most, Vinatieri is much better, Gost is nice at hitting 48 yard fgs against the Titans in week 3, he cost them one AFC championship by missing an XP, almost cost them the SB last year by missing an XP, and Belichick and no confidence in him in the first SB loss to the Giants, and they went for it and missed on what could have been long FGs. He cost them a rare losses at home, once against the Cardinals when he missed FG in the final seconds and a rare loss to the Steelers when he missed a FG in the 4th quarter.

Vinatieri hit that kick in the snow to start the dynasty that no man on earth should be able to hit, he hit that frozen football 48 yards against the Titans in the playoffs to win a brutal cold game, and his super bowl clutch kicks speak for themselves. You can't compare the two, one being statistically a little better is meaningless, Vinatieri is so much better when it matters most. The only thing against Vinatieri was that FG he missed against Panthers (the other one was blocked) but he made up for it with one of the most clutch kicks in NFL history at the end anyway.

I could have sworn Izzo had some interceptions that one year starting at LB in the playoffs, but maybe I misremember.

Like i said Vinatieri's were more historically significant but it's not like Vinatieri never missed field goals in superbowls, Gostkowski actually has way better kicking stats in playoffs compared to Vinatieri along with better career numbers.

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not in tandem with Gronk.

>21st century

yeah, but kickers have progressively gotten much better than their predecessors for many reasons. Stevie also has a nasty habit of missing XPs, one of which would have won the SB without overtime last year

Vinatieri missed one FG in the Super Bowl ever and it was inconsequential, he had another but it was blocked not his fault. Gostkowski missed a lot of big kicks and cost them games because of it.

Stats are not important. Gostkowski played in an era with much better fields and stadiums, Vinatieri spent a lot of his career on those old choppy grass fields in old stadiums in the late 90s early 00s.

If you look at their stats since Gostkowski came in the league and kicking conditions are much better than the 10 previous years of Vinatieri's career:
Vinatieri: 86.5%
Gostkowski: 87.6%
And much of this time Vinatieri is old and not even in his prime any more, of course he is helped by the dome also. But there are multiple factors to look at than just pure stats.

Gostkowski is the best at making FGs in blowout games in divisional round, which makes his stats look good. When it comes to big kicks in close game he can't touch Vinatieri, and this is all that really matters in football. Vinatieri made possibly the three greatest kicks in NFL history all by himself, at least 4 of the top 10 kicks. Gostkowski has two of the worst missed XPs in NFL history.

Gostkowski is still a good kicker, but he doesn't touch Vinatieri when you talk about the greatest players ever, the player you want on your team for a Super Bowl. It's like the debate between Brady and QBs who have slightly better stats.

Brady/Moss/Edelman/Gronk combo would unironically score 70 points per game

Watson is a better TE than Hernandez, Hernandez was a more versatile receiver, but Watson is a true dual threat TE. Prime Watson + Prime Gronk in 12 personnel sets would have been unstoppable. It's hard to say how good Hernandez would have been because he only played like 2 1/2 seasons before he went to prison.