So let me get this straight, Trump is going to be impeached for ASKING about corruption and Biden's shady ass son getting a job in another country while Biden is Vice President, but Biden gets a free fucking pass even though he's on tape saying he demanded another country fire it's own prosecutor, who just happened to be looking into the company Biden Junior worked at? Can someone explain to me how the fuck this logic works?
So let me get this straight...
Julian Sanders
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Jose Howard
The oddest part is that the old "fuck the eatablishment" crowd is the same group propping up the old corrupt politicians. The anti trump propaganda was surprisingly successful.
Zachary Stewart
It's because these people are idiots and don't have any actual opinions or values. They just follow along with whatever and whoever is popular or being twitted the most. This whole fiasco with China has exposed how a lot of people on the left are literal NPCs.
Isaac Wright
I have been saying both should be punished all along, trump is just not going down without snitching too
Brandon Hernandez
I see you received your official White House talking points.
Carson Garcia
Punished for what? Trump didn't even do anything wrong.
No I'm asking questions. Do questions scare you?
Ryan Long
>Incomplete and opinionated representations of all the facts.
Either share all the facts when making comments or you're just as bad as the rest of the Republicans.
Purposely misconstruing factual happenings just to reach your own personal goal?
Sounds very Trumpish to me.
Kayden Green
Nah, they've got nothing. Trump's deliberately provoking them at this point because they're basically trashing their frontrunner's campaign in order to stage a vote for impeachment that the Senate will most likely refuse to allow to go to trial. I'd honestly be surprised if the House can even get the articles passed, there's too many vulnerable Dems. Trump just wants to weaken them and keep them focused on trivial bullshit so he can run against Warren, which is going to be hilarious.
Aiden Russell
What the hell are you on about? And honesty if you haven't seen the video of Biden saying it himself by this point, you're choosing to be an ignorant retard on purpose. In which case I can't help you.
Adam Wright
>impeached
*Railroaded by a jealous lynch mob
Easton Kelly
The media is now trying to pressure republicans into voicing support for impeachment. At this point I just want them to fucking vote on it. This way we can all laugh when it fails and Trump wins again in 2020.
Anthony Roberts
Yeah, not sure what the Dems are thinking about going for this. I'm genuinely confused myself. However, Biden was calling for the firing of the prosecutor over in Ukraine because the prosecutor was a corrupt asshole who wasn't investigating any corruption cases. If anything, the guy was just as corrupt as the people he was supposed to be investigating. Honestly though, both Biden and Trump dropped the ball on this one. Trump should've known better in the current extreme partisan climate and Biden probably shouldn't have let his son continue to work at a foreign company that was supposed to be investigated for corruption because it would clearly be perceived in a negative way. Long story short, Amerifags being Amerifags all day long.
Adrian Rogers
the 'Deep State' exists and has been running this country for decades. remember "Lock her Up. Drain the swamp" This is payback for Trump not going along with the agenda. I didn't know what to think about Trump to begin with but now I know he is exposing the corrupt system. Too bad people are too stupid to see the corruption and still believe the media propaganda.
Jason Martin
>However, Biden was calling for the firing of the prosecutor over in Ukraine because the prosecutor was a corrupt asshole who wasn't investigating any corruption cases.
But he was though. He was investigating the company Biden's son worked at. I just find it funny how Biden's son worked at two foreign countries while Biden was VP and nobody bats an eye over it. But Trump dares to ask about it and now he should be impeached? That makes no fucking sense.
I think a lot of people are starting to see it, even if slowly. The media without question has been exposed as insanely biased for the left.
Landon Young
WHERE IS WALL?
WHY ARE THERE STILL SPICS?
THIS IS NOT WHAT I VOTED FOR.
Austin Brooks
Trump was relying on the same privacy between heads of state that has been standard for every president before him. Two people having a private chat is one of the few places where a president can actually advance diplomacy. Now forever more leaders of other countries will always have their guard up when talking with the president, ANY president, when on the phone. All because the dems had to jump on a partisan hearsay claim in their eagerness to get Trump at all costs
Joseph Myers
People you should be pissed off at are the federal judges that have been allowed to become mini-dictators adjudicating on personal sentiment rather than law. This has been building since Clinton era and has progressively worsened through Bush and Obama
Benjamin Nelson
This level of thinking is beyond people like him
Jaxson Cook
Blake Phillips
Quid pro quo based on international and internal department consensus = Fine
Quid pro quo based on getting dirt on your political rival = Not Fine
Trump stands behind the most corrupt people on the planet whenever given the opportunity. Trump supported the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor because he had to go to one of the most corrupt nations on the planet to find someone to entertain his false narrative. Everyone was trying to get rid of that prosecutor because he was corrupt, not because he was investigating corruption. Biden was presenting a unified front based on the conclusion of all of our allies.
International Monetary Fund threatened to withhold 17 billion: rferl.org
EU threatened to withold 1.2 billion and visa free EU travel: kyivpost.com
Protesters: atlanticcouncil.org
Brody Butler
He was investigating in a half assed manner that the rest of the developed countries clearly saw as him derping around for kick back money. Though I do agree that Biden's son shouldn't have been working there for the reason that he was. There was no reason for him to be working there aside from "Oh look I'm the US VP's son. Hire me and it'll look good for the company." It's politics man. Both sides do stupid shit then call out the other one in the blame game when they get found out.
I get what you're saying but it's like saying there's a bunch of mines in a minefield that you know are there yet you're going to say "fuck it" and proceed with absolute impunity through the minefield. If you know the other side is hell bent on going after any little thing you do, why are you going to give them the ammo to do this in the first place? If he'd just have a little more finesse about this type of stuff, he'd command so much more power because no one could fault him for anything. But now he's walked right into another controversy and pulled the entire Rep party in with him.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Ukraine has been ranked as one of the most corrupt countries in the world since the fall of the soviet block. The prosecutor generals office is used as a blunt instrument to control your political rivals by force, it is NOT used as an office to seek justice or legitimately prosecute wrongdoing.
Burisma is owned by Mykola Vladislavovich Zlochevsky, a Ukrainian oligarch businessman and politician who was Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources from July 2010 till April 2012 and was the deputy secretary for Economic and Social Security on the National Security and Defense Council from April 2012 until February 2014 when Euromaidan occurred.
This is Trump misrepresenting internal politics in Ukraine to suit his narrative because his base knows little about our own government, much less Ukraines. The investigations going on it that country were never about legitimately investigating something corrupt. They were about investigating a political rival to for political purposes.
Nathaniel Morgan
Okay, lets say this is all true. Then who is benefiting from Burisma being investigated when Biden was the fucking vice president? Again, what's wrong with asking these kind of questions? Are questions illegal in this country? I don't think so last I checked.
Jonathan Gonzalez
While the optics aren't great, where the fuck does someone with an International Consulting firm work if you have family in office? No matter where, there is going to be potential conflict.
It's like Ivanka Trump being granted dozens of patents in China after Trump taking office... Like we're supposed to believe she's an inventor.
Jace Green
It's a catch 22 for sure.
Adam Reyes
It doesn't because you aren't telling the truth.
Trump asked for a favor to investigate a political opponent. MAYBE it would have been OK had he stopped at Hunter, but he mentioned Joe.
Lastly, the prosecutor was fired because he WASN'T prosecuting corruption, including Hunter's company.
Unskewed that for ya!
Juan Evans
so provide actual facts that can be linked to prove him wrong?
Logan Baker
nice b8 m8
Blake Martin
What annoys me is that these people don't even have to work in the first fucking place, they're all rich. Why even put yourself in a situation where a conflict of interest can happen, or even the appearance of it. Just to be funny?
Ryder Lewis
Everyone who is hanging on to power to gain wealth in the country stood to gain, to name a few:
Shokin’s nominees are closely associated with the old system. At the Prosecutor General’s Office, Yury Hryshchenko managed Volodymyr Shapakin, the so-called “diamond prosecutor” who was arrested earlier this year in a sting operation for bribery with $400,000 dollars of cash in his office and $100,000 of diamonds in his home. First Deputy Prosecutor General Yury Sevruk has stymied reforms in the Prosecutor General’s Office. Reformers believe that making anti-reform individuals like Hryshchenko and Sevruk directly responsible for selecting the most important anti-corruption figure makes the process a mockery.
"“Poroshenko came of age in a system where the Prosecutor General was used as a weapon against political opponents, and Poroshenko remains determined to maintain control over this critical lever of power,” said Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center in Kyiv, in an interview on November 3.
Others have suggested that Poroshenko’s majority in the Verkhovna Rada is not very stable, and investigating corruption in his own coalition could lead to the loss of his parliamentary majority."
Josiah Myers
>but Biden gets a free fucking pass
YES DIPSHIT HE DOES.
BIDEN IS NOT PRESIDENT
BIDEN DID NOT ABUSE HIS POWERS AS CURRENT PRESIDENT TO INVESTIGATE PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST HIM
SHUT UP TRUMPFUCK
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ADMIT THAT YOU ELECTED A FUCKING CRIMINAL
THAT MEANS SHUT UP
THAT MEANS NO MORE DURR LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT
SHUT UP
Andrew Murphy
>Trump asked for a favor to investigate a political opponent
No he didn't. You need to stop drinking the kool aid. Though I am impressed we made it this far into the thread without one of you brainwashed morons showing up.
Dominic Foster
childish behavior from a moronic democrat
Grayson Price
no he didnt ? ahahahhah you must be bad with watching Trump interviews you rotting testicle cheese sack
Oliver Hill
"I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation in Ukraine ... There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... it sounds horrible to me."
Nicholas Jenkins
>Trump isn't a crook
yes he is trumpshit
Adam Howard
So where did he ask for the favor?
Ian Martin
To use you analogy, the problem is minefields keep springing up in fields he's standing in. Its a little too convenient that the rules for whistleblowers that requires 1st hand, and not hearsay, knowledge got changed right before this happened. In fact this is the very first instance of this happening with the loosened restrictions. A person can reign themselves in to the point of being a deer in headlights if they've got to be thinking of every future event that can be backtracked into a new method of attack. As an analogy, think of all the stuff that gets put on /b. Are you currently thinking of how in the future any thread the committee deems racist gets you labeled as racist simply by being in the thread? Or the fact that you saw OPs loli image means you've technically participated in cp?
Cooper Torres
Asking him to investigate is a favor trumpshit
Jace Gray
Then why the hell was Biden's son doing business in Ukraine if it's so corrupt? And why is it so bad to ask questions about it? When did asking questions became illegal?
Lincoln Green
Right there: "I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation in Ukraine ... There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... it sounds horrible to me."
Thomas Morris
>trumpshit
Oh nvm it's you again. Thanks for letting me know ahead of time.
Logan Flores
Yeah he's asking questions about Biden's shady ass son. What's wrong with asking questions? Do questions frighten you?
Hunter Turner
Been abused his office when he was in
NOW SHUT UP
Or would you like to elect another corrupt dem to office
Jaxson Hughes
Being this delusional
Jaxson Brooks
It's the ultimate insult. You're not just a dumbshit.
>I'll leave
because you're a fucking chickenshit trumpshit
Evan Sanchez
Biden wasn't asking for dirt on a political rival. It's still crap, though. Throwing political weight around.
Dylan Adams
The whole part about withholding 400 million dollars before asking the question is corrupt. The whole part about sending your personal lawyer who isn't answerable to the State Department is what is corrupt. The whole part about completely bypassing the internal considerations of the state department is what is corrupt.
Trying to get your political donors on the board of national companies there is what's corrupt: nationalreview.com
Angel Lee
There is literally no Democrat, let alone a President who has used a foreign power to investigate someone running against him. You're not even smart enough to realize your hypocrisy user.
Michael Jackson
Welcome to US politics
Nothing makes any sense
It's all a bunch of spoiled shits who used daddy's money to get elected
Now they perpetuate their grade school bullshit on the world
Michael Rogers
He has been the head of a criminal enterprise since the 80s.
Juan Rogers
The implications were there. No he did not use those exact word. I am wondering what Rudy said in prior meetings. I think Trump is up to his neck in this. But, let’s see if he through Rudy under the bus. Unfortunately the cool aid flows in both directions.
Nathaniel Hall
>The whole part about withholding 400 million dollars before asking the question is corrupt
Which never happened. Anymore fake news while we're at it?
Nathaniel Richardson
>Biden
>Frontrunner
The only thing Biden is the front runner for is the position of sacrificial lamb. Fucker can't charisma his way out of a vegetable patch.
Adrian Morgan
>The implications were there
And you took offense to me calling you brain washed when you say stupid shit like this? You have got to be fucking joking right now.
Zachary Martinez
Yeah that guy can't seem to hold onto his spaghetti
Nolan Foster
The only reason its actually a problem is because Biden is running for president. Its a joke.
Zachary Ramirez
youtube.com
Trump always liked indians tho
Lincoln Bailey
Charles Parker
The reason was so other countries would pitch in. He announced that.
Ian Sanders
The fake news and the Democrats are like the WWE. They were loved and followed by many. People began to notice and feel their best interests were being ignored. Nonstop. Then change came. For good.
Blake Hernandez
>cbsnews
Kid, just stop. This is fucking embarrassing.
Daniel Turner
That's the name of the game with any president versus the opposing side during a time of severe partisanship. Is it shit? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that he should know better by this point after having dealt with so much of it. He doesn't need to stop doing things, he just needs to do them in a less ass way. You can practically hear the Reps thinking "holy fucking shit stfu and stop puling us into this bullshit" every time he pulls something like this. I'm not sure what the second part of your statement is. Pretty sure most people don't care about half that shit and the ones that truly do are a minority in both parties.
Isaiah Butler
Shit like this is why Trump got elected in the first place
Carter Parker
Yea, they changed the rules, and then planted a cia agent into the whitehouse. Its all pretty clear.
Kevin Smith
The reason was to motivate the Ukrainians to entertain his false narratives on Biden dirt.
Alexander Turner
Jealous of what?
His dipshit family or his huge fat ass?
Xavier Sanders
This buffoon would act this way towards any non democrat president. Youre a loon.
Owen Robinson
>false narratives
>even though it came straight from biden own fucking mouth
do you work for cnn by any chance?
Jacob Taylor
No where does he say that is why though. You just make it that way.
Jaxson Hill
it's always someone else's fault with you trumpturds lol
Isaac Ortiz
Biden did nothing wrong.
Quid pro quo based on international and internal department consensus = Fine
Quid pro quo based on getting dirt on your political rival = Not Fine
Oliver Butler
I think you need to read that post again. And take its advice.
Gavin Harris
>Not Fine
apparently it's good enough for trumpfarts to vote for him again lol
Andrew Wilson
prove it?
Zachary Lewis
So you're admitting that Biden committed a quid pro quo? So how is it a "false narrative" genius?
Luis Adams
Read the news, retard. That's not why he's being impeached. My God, you retarded Republicans are fucking dumb.
Kevin Perry
they don't "work" like we do. they burn through tons of money on risky businesses and campaigns. remember Hillarys "cattle futures"? once elected, they all get health care and benefits for life. they take opportunities to accumulate money to swing around. bet big to win big. trump doesnt "work". he leverages influence, delays payment, changes his mind favorably for his earnings, etc. none of these folks earns money by punching a clock.
that being said, the ONLY person being investigated was the number one Dem candidate at the time. this is EXACTLY what Nixon got caught doing. the reason he got away with asking for Hillary emails was that he wasn't elected yet. if we allow this sort of thing, we BECOME Ukraine/Russia/Wherever. foreign influence runs us, not our principles. it's the great risk of capitalism, when earning $$$ is the game...well...sometimes the $$$ wins over all things.
Easton Taylor
so it has nothing to do with the Ukraine call?
Oliver Howard
>durr no u
>biden
your posts are literally getting more and more cringeworthy lol
Ayden Brooks
Trump will rat out whoever he deems necessary to remain in power, his motives are transparent. I don't need to call him names, that's all I need to know about the man. The fox news anchor bailed out and Giuliani is on the chopping block now. When your lawyer needs a lawyer dat sum serus bidness.
Hunter Myers
Biden's son was on the Board in 2014. How come no Republican called it scandalous then?
Because they would have had nothing. Like you. But what your President did is a crime, though.
Justin White
>T-The news isn’t real!
>All the facts those stupid democraps are giving, even the ones with sources, are fake news!!1one1!!
>Tangerine Palpatine is my god! He didn’t do anything wrong! Even when he did he didn’t!
Brandon Baker
>But what your President did is a crime, though.
K. I guess we will just have to see what the senate says about it then
Michael Collins
Trump's not going anywhere.
Dems are all smoke, no fire.
>their last ditch effort since everything they touch is a shitshow.
Jose Sanchez
Because King Nigger was still president in 2014. So no one can ask questions when your team does shady shit? But when Obama asked foreigners for help in the election it was okay.
Thomas Edwards
I understand all of that, but Biden is a fucking millionaire. His son doesn't even need a damn 600k no show job in a third world country. It's just arrogance at that point.
William Cruz
Can you read? The motive is what matters.
Wyatt Cox
Yeah, I'm sure the Senate after 2020 will have a lot to say about it. The Department of Justice too.
Cameron Martin
So the little fact that no one has turned up any evidence at all on the bidens and the fact that both the Ukrainians and Americans already conducted investigations at the time and turned up nothing means they're totally guilty because the orange retard is too shitty a president to run on actual policy. And you trump cucks eat it up. Jesus go kys. No wonder he's the president on incels.
Camden Scott
You know, when you act like a retarded child who barely knows english, it's hard to take anything you say seriously
Dominic Carter
Biden fired a guy that was corrupt, that the US, EU, and Ukraine all wanted fired.
He's essentially the messenger that delivered the message, that's it.
Trump on the other hand, literally violated the law when HE personally decided to hold back military funding approved by the government until HIS DEMAND for an investigation and dirt on a political rival was fulfilled.
Understand it now or do you need me to break out the crayons?
Luke Brooks
Not that user, but I love your lack of facts and projection, just like all republicans
Jacob Ortiz
Lol except no one told them that money was being held back, they didn’t find out till 30 days later. Oh and he never demanded anything, and they brought it up. But I know, reading is hard and all.
Zachary Peterson
Like anyone believes that. Who knows what Guilian told them.
"Trump: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people."
David Harris
So a coverup of money being held back makes it so much better?
Also, he 100% demanded it. "I need you to do me a favor though" isn't something you say if you're not directly asking for something. You know, something said directly by Trump.
Comprehension is hard eh?
Sebastian Nelson
There is literally no way Republicans lose control of the senate in 2020. They are taking back Alabama for sure, if you think Alabama is going to stay blue you're retarded, and even if they lose both toss ups in Colorado and Arizona AND the VP goes democrat it still won't be enough for a dem majority. Don't kid yourself
Ryder Johnson
20/20 hindsight. If you read the transcript its only damming to people who have already damned him and are looking for any justification for what they already believe. Trumps true crime is that he bucked the elite and got elected on a anti-globalist platform. If he had been one of the 2-sides-of the-same-coin candidates they had anointed they'd have been treating Trump like a Kennedy for the last 3 years. Their political styles are actually very similar.
Mason Jackson
>for ASKING about corruption and Biden's shady ass son getting a job in another country
He's pursuing a conspiracy theory, and leveraged tax payer dollars for his own private scoop.
reuters.com
In that telling, the cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, which the DNC hired to investigate the hack, falsely accused Russia, and spirited the hacked email servers to Ukraine as part of a coverup. As early as March 2017, an unnamed poster on the fringe website Sup Forums wrote that “Russia could not have been the source of leaked Democrat emails released by WikiLeaks.” Other posts incorrectly said CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch is Ukrainian (he is a U.S. citizen born in Russia).
Trump referenced that view during a July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, mentioning CrowdStrike by name, and saying “The server they say Ukraine has it.” Ahead of that call the U.S. special representative to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, suggested in a text message to a Zelenskiy aide that Zelenskiy might score a White House visit if he promised to “get to the bottom of what happened” in 2016, a reference to the election meddling.
CrowdStrike said in a blog post that its finding of Russian involvement was supported by U.S. intelligence and that it never took possession of the hacked servers.
Trump’s former homeland security adviser, Tom Bossert, said officials in the administration tried to dissuade Trump. “It’s not only a conspiracy theory. It is completely debunked,” he said on ABC’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” last month.
Asher Cook
this whole story is made up. You're guzzling Trump & Rudy's kool-aid, Sup Forumsro