So what are yall going to do with all the money you will save when you no longer have to pay middle men...

So what are yall going to do with all the money you will save when you no longer have to pay middle men, mafia like leaches that is the health insurance industry?

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Pay it all in taxes you fucking bot.

this.

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Even an idiot can do the math. I pay 600 a month for a 5k deductible insurance family plan. Literally anything less than that is saving me money. And I lived in Canada for 5 years for work. Literally same quality or better Healthcare and it cost me a fraction of what I'm paying now.

Pay 20k in premiums, deductibles, and copay's a year or 10k more in taxes? man that's a difficult choice. I think i'll stick with the mafia like leaches for sure

Plus the government's cut
Ever seen the feds get involved in anything and make it cheaper?

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Agreed. Canada's system is better and cheaper.

But that won't make the billionaires richer, so fuck that idea, amirite?

>Canada's system is better and cheaper.
Until you have to see a specialist. Then they hope you die before your appointment months and months later.
There's a damn good reason why the largest medical centers in many northern US states are just south of the border: most of their patients are Canadians.

Is that why they flock to America to go to the doctors and get prescriptions and go back and fill them, The pills are cheap but the doctors and wait times suck ass.

>Pay 20k in premiums, deductibles, and copay's a year or 10k more in taxes?
As if you pay any of that. Premiums or taxes.

>Save Money.
>Over 50% increase in taxes.

So more than double in taxes while having to wait 10X longer to see a doctor with poor treatment is better?

>600 per month
Bullshit.

Absolutely fucking wrong. Almost all cases where Canadians get treatment in the States they were physically in the US before they got sick or injured.

It's exactly the type of fucking lies that they've relied on to muddy the waters when the US system is actual dogshit.

Canadian system costs roughly half per capita with similar health outcomes. Whether that money is being removed via taxes or paying a bill doesnt matter. Everyone needs healthcare.

the logic is you'll pay less in taxes than you would paying for your medical.
I don't know, listen to idiots who probably rode on thier parents insurance cry about it
Regardless his math is still on point

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, "Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. "It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death," the report says. "Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life."
Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically "reasonable."

I was going to say use it to pay off student loans but those are taken care of too. Probably use it to fix up the house using local labor thereby stimulating the local economy.

That's retarded beyond reason

The logic is dead wrong.

Wait times are horrible and prescriptions can be expensive out of pocket. Everyone needs healthcare but not everyone deserves it.

Statistics and facts back it up. Stay mad.

>Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014,
American who is helping his 65+ mom with navigating her medical shit. That's actually not far off from wait periods for her here depending on what's going on.
Also link your study
Also sounds like that's an assumption on their part and not precisely why they're getting treatment out of the country. They could easily be on worm. Also lmao at 50k people vs the population of Canada.

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Wrong.

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The medical is bad enough on it's own but the food prices are even worse. Canada fucking sucks. I moved to Florida and make 30% more, have better medical, and food costs roughly half.

No, no its not.
Haven't really posted either of those. The only people that would benefit would be people right at the boarder otherwise the cost wouldn't make sense. So 50k people vs the population of Canada sounds about right.

I can get a specialist appointment in less than 2 weeks usually.

How so?

>Moved TO Florida
So are you dodging a felony or just a dead beat dad?

The 50k are just the ones going to America. There are many more who go abroad to other countries and get treatment that aren't fully reported.

Swedefag here. On average, I pay $9 a month for full coverage health insurance through taxes. Check-ups are $7, but if you need to see a doctor, it's free. Medical bills, including meds, exceeding $140 a year are also free.

Yea the American system is real fucked all over the place. That's my point tho.

52k Canadians leave the country for some things. That's it boys! lets scrap the whole thing and go to a predatory for profit system, they got us

I am an engineer with a wife and 2 kids, no felonies.

You're deluded. I'm glad your vote means nothing.

Okay, Americans do that too so it's not like either is a fantastic example of what to do or not to do with a health care system.

That said being able to drive or fly out of my country to get medical *affordable* treatment sound better than one trip to the doctor costing me 300+ dollars

I have a 2k dedcutable. And the best medical treatment available on earth

I mean in America. In Canada they said 11 weeks. I just go to Buffalo and then get prescriptions back home if they are cheaper.

I'm sorry for your loss

die from government run health insurance

I cant wait till the government makes me wait 24 months to decide weather or not i need life saving surgery tomorrow.

Those are just the number that go to America. Also out of A few hundred thousand, not the whole population.

So you're in a system where you can afford to travel to another city, see a doctor there and take your prescription back home without it breaking your bank? Sounds nice.

That's not how it would work at all you fear mongering retard

I haven't loss anything, I've only made gains. Also, In Canada no one knows how great it is having a hot Cuban maid.

all your numbers

But you moved to Florida and if you can't see why I'm sorry for you, you will come to the realization eventually.

Right! everything the government handles works quickly and smoothly with compassion for the citizens.

Yes Americans do. Yet people call our system broken. It occurs in a supposedly fixed system in higher numbers.

Do you think the government would just take over the medical industry? Because that's not what's being proposed at all.

Wish i had the same healthcare i had before obama fuckex everything up, i pay 3x as much now for not as good services.

Healthcare is cheaper in literally every other industrialized country in the world than in America and all of those systems have single payer.

Great beaches, southern hospitality, culture, museums, theme parks, cutting edge medicine, better economy, and I can own as many guns as I want as soon as my citizenship is approved. I'm good, fuck Canada.

Well you've got people like , and I've gotten prescriptions through leafs before as well.
so clearly nothing is perfect in this situation

prove me wrong.

lmfao enjoy your old jews

probably invest in my studio
also, to everyone so against medicare for all
45,000 americans die every year cuz they don't have healthcare or shit healthcare
530,000 go backrupt every year with medical debt
under medicare for all you will pay a bit higher taxes but you will be free from paying the private taxes you pay to some corporate cocksuck whose purpose is to deny as much healthcare to people so that they turn a profit, enriching themselves.

I either make an appointment with my doctor which takes about a day or a week to book depending on my symptoms, or I just walk into a walk in clinic or hospital and wait according again, to my symptoms.

The only thing we wait for is rare tests like hida scans, or ct scans. But again, if its urgent you get in right away.
The key thing is you need to use the system to make it work smoother, of you dont go to your doctor yearly for a check up, or ignore a growth or pain then it becomes somewhat of an issue that's the main problem. People expect they can let their say gallstones go unchecked for years and then it's too late they need special care right away, and clogs up the system. If they used their family doctors advice and nipped it in the bud it wouldn't clog up the system for real emergencies.

>d'gabnment thread
>another slide thread
>also sage
>cumrags yiff in /pol
>ppl schreeching about more rich people making them tongue their anus all the time since ever forever
>so much sage I could plant a fucking field

So bragging about a great system that is clearly flawed over another that is clearly flawed is dumb.

Better than Pakis everywhere.

If you want this, and you should, then it can't just be Bernie... you've got to lose EVERY Republican that's in the the pocket of Big Pharma. And that's most of them.

Wrong board, user.

>Cancer treatment
'nuff said.

I think you're confused, all the governemnt is doing is paying for the services people need. They're not actually running the hospitals. The hospitals, doctors, nurses, clinics, ect, are their own separate thing that the government will not control or run

and I live in a repub state where when they found galbladder stones in me i saw a specialist the next day and had surgery 2 days later and it only cost me my 2 dollar copay state covered the rest, just cause some states are fucked doesn't mean all of em are

I agree, but I don't know where I was bragging about one over the other. The Canadian system seems to allow such a break in payment that people can leave the country for treatment and go home without looking the other way, where as that's not an option for Americans. Which when comparing the two sounds nicer than debating on going for a cold because without insurance it's 300+ and with insurance it's not much better.

dude that's totally what single payer is

Which state, what year did that happen in

it's not just repubs, big pharma and insurance has most dems too,

I went to south America and had back surgery and basically a 2 week vacation on a beach for cheaper than American surgery. We have options, unless your poor.

ND, 3 years ago

The healthcare system isnt really for cancer patients it's mainly for preventing diseases that can be cured or be kept from becoming chronic or fatal in a short amount of time.
Cancer is a whole other story.

>better and cheaper
that's a weird way to spell "bogged down" and "ineffective"

no, sonny, you're in the wrong board.
You could spam your d'gbnmd thread and trump memespamming in your containment board which is made just for that, but you're too in love with big nigro dicks to just remain in your safe spot, where people usually comes laughing like if it was a freakshow safari.

/b is, or was, or rather should be, funny.
You're Heavyyyy. You talk about stuff which matters for 40 years old losers which only think about money all the time all their life. Maybe americans actually do this, like the chinese, but I'm not intrested in seeing you ranting on LIBRULS or what you consider to be tard about politics, because if I were I would be on /pol.
But I'm not on /pol, I'm on /b, and I want my comfy threads, drawthreads, gore threads, ylyl and logposters as well. They're better than you. At least they have fun.

All you do is being pathetic and unfuckable.

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The government wouldn't be in the hospitals dictating patient priority, that's not what single payer is. Single payer does very little to solve a lot of the issues in the American Healthcare system, you're still gunna get gouged out the tit. Step in the right direction but regulations regarding pricing would be the best move forward. We probably won't ever see that tho.

having a shit ton of oil money the state throws into healthcare is nice

my mom broke her leg
flew to mexico
had surgery
stayed a week to heal
flew back
and the price was 1/10th of what it would cost to rent a room in a hospital for surgery.... let alone everything else they scam you with

If they go for a single-payer system, they'll take over the health insurance industry. Then they'll use the combined bargaining power (of controlling the health insurance payments of every person in the country) to negotiate and determine pay schedules.

That's how single payer works.

Note that single payer is not the only way to provide universal healthcare. Many countries use a variety of different systems.

Of course, single payer is very difficult for future governments to corrupt. Any small change to benefit the wealthy over the average person is a fundamental change to the system itself. In other universal healthcare schemes that is not the case.

No, single payer means there's is a single payer that pays for everything. The hospitals, clinics, and everything else is still privet. We're not advocating a British system, the British system is 100% government run, that includes the hospitals and everything, the doctors and nurses are government employees, thats not what single payer is

>We have options, unless your 50% of the country
ftfy

I work on the insurance side of a health care provider. From first-hand experience I can tell you that anyone who thinks their costs will go down as a result of Medicare For All is the most pathetic type of gullible retard that was ever jizzed into existence.

Everyone was so excited about Obamacare and how it would help them get insurance and medical care. EVERYONE’S costs are going up, providers are overwhelmed with 2,000 patients (literally), the wait time for non-emergent surgeries is MONTHS, and people are again using emergency rooms as urgent cares. It’s a clusterfuck on wheels.

>/b is, or was, or rather should be, funny
>Wasn't around for constant Bush Jr threads
I expected as much from an anime poster. Pleas complain about the actual thread shitting up the board like fg/ig/vsco thread and super gay tribute threads. Sup Forums isn't for politics it's for right wing containment, you newfriend.
logposters are reddit level spamming faggots so now I'm really not surprised.

So you're not an American then?

Well, many Dems do accept their donations, but they're not owned. Main point, we need a government capable of running single payer without corruption. Far less likely under Dems.

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In 2017 1.4 million Americans travelled to other countries for health care.

0.42% of Americans go to other countries for healthcare.

Vs

0.1% of Canadians going to other countries for care.

So fuck you, basically.

Although really both those numbers are so vanishingly small that you can say almost all peoples in both countries simply use the healthcare that's available in their country.

Canadians pay roughly half what Americans pay for similar quality care, and 100% of them are insured.

You'd have to be a literal shit-smearing retard to not understand that your system is a pile of turds when you're paying DOUBLE per capita what your immediate neighbor pays.

Propertarianism is the future but that being said the real problem is the cabal that decides the exorbitant prices for medical care.

>works for health insurance
>fearmongers about single payer
Who could have seen this coming? Not I

>many Dems do accept their donations, but they're not owned
As a staunch demo, get your head out of your ass.
Peopes cost going up was largely a state by state issues and the ones with higher prices were also trying to purposefully fuk the new health care system. Prices were also lower than what they would of been if the restrictions weren't there in the first place.
Not all single payer systems have to be the same and that's still not the government dictating things like patient priority.

Just go yiff in /pol with the other desperate incels, dude, do you realize you gathered like two dozens of 40 years old and you're fighting over old persons who literally would own your ass whatever side you prefear?
Why can't u be normal, america?

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>Work for companies that cause America to have the most expensive healthcare in the entire civilized world

>Try convince people that doing the things other countries are doing to reduce costs, will somehow increase costs.

> Is a fucking shill who doesn't care that the American healthcare system is a pile of garbage.

America, just let him try ! You had a lot of cocksuckers as president these 40 last years, one more or less.... Let him try !

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>Free Healthcare Bad
>Free School Bad
>Help People Bad

Canada health system is so fucking shit but still far better than US

This. Healthcare in the US is basically a predatory mafia-type system that have convinced idiots that it's not dogshit because of "muh socialism".

>/pol
This is the other way I know you're a massive newfriend from reddit because subs end in /nameofsub where Sup Forums is Sup Forums or Sup Forums. Now go home and don't post until you've lurked moar.

>promote laziness and entitlement bad
>help those undeserving bad
>helping illegals bad