Was Tolkien redpilled

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well he knew jews did 9/11 so i'd say yes

true
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kind of

he took Wagner's Ring Cycle and took all the antisemitism and anti-capitalism out of it and gave everyone BEADY eyes

it's still great as semi-folklore and for evoking better days

Somewhat
>Orcs = Turks
>Southrons = Arabs
>Variags = Mongols
>Dwarves = Jews

Tolkien WAS the redpill.

The last significant writer in history in my eyes.

>1970s fantasy art will never be a thing again

Ugh... I wish. :(

Beautiful artwork.

Where's it from?

How much of his writing was shaped by his WW1 experiences?

Do we need WW1 style terror to produce artistic greats again?

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>forces of good are so disorganized and ineffective they send their one chance for victory across a high mountain pass in January
>with representatives of all the races that might want to steal it
>everything goes cockup, Frodo almost loses the ring twice
>forced to travel with the only possible worse companion
>gives in to the ring, the world's only saved because Gollum's a worse failure than he is
Pretty good view of the state of the Right today.

Then who are Sauron and Morgoth equivalent to?

Also, Hobbits=Anglo
Gondor=Constantinople
Rohan=Germans
Orcs=Turks
Dwarves=Jews
Haradrim=Arabs
Easterlings=Chinks
Elves=Celt

Thanks Japan.

Soros and Moloch

Hey.

Autist.

Stop obsessing over trying to make everything fit some mental model. It works for your anime games and shit, but Tolkein repeatedly stated how there were no parallels between Middle Earth and our world. It wasn't a silly sunday school parable.

>inb4 more morons who need things to have a direct analogy connection, parable style, and moral in the ending

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Both wrong, orcs are meant to be chinks, Tolkien says so himself:

>...they are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.

Yes, that's how he described their physical appearance in comparison to the Men of Middle Earth, but their behavior, culture, and place in the world has nothing to do with our chinks.

If you need everything to be a 1:1 parable, go back to sunday school stories.

He was red pilled and an amazing writer but it's worth pointing out he made it very public that he absolutely hated allegory and nothing he wrote was meant to be an allegory for anything irl

The least lovely Mongol types are Turks m8. The Variags of Khând are very obviously Mongols

Bürger speaks truth

but it will fall on deaf ears

Look at the 20's "lost generation" writers, and then look at Tao Lin

You need to go through something to make something, otherwise it's faux

Autists will ignore this.

This

>Was Tolkien redpilled

the fucker is a legend of course he was redpilled

This. You aren't tapping into some hidden undescovered meaning. He was confronted with accusations of allegory his entire life and he made it very clear nothing was allegory and that he resents the suggestion.

Show some respect for the man

>being this triggered by a post on a Somali ecstasy collecting board
Orcs act pretty similar to Muslims today tbqh

Aside from things like courage and friendship and how you need to keep trying because sometimes even after everything fails good things happen.

>someone calls you an Autist
>OMG YOU ARE THIS TRIGGERED OVER A SOMALIAN BASKETWEAVING FORUM POST

kill yourself, autist

orcs were clearly inspired by russians
>hordes of uncivilized mongrels with sloppy lowtech weapons

That's not what allegory means my dude

It's fucking depressing I know.

If we could go back to the 1940s and show them what the future would hold it would change so damn much.

Savage and based.

>post retarded shit
>get called retarded
>U MAD HEH

go back to something awful / intl, you goon posting shut stain

This

BACK TO /intl/ YOU SPERG FUCK

No one can stand you in real life but that doesn't mean you have to be annoying here

>slant eyes
>sallow skin

>all that race mixing
Hell no


Seriously though, you retards try and attach meaning to everything. Maybe he just wanted to make orcs be orcs and not some fucking interpretation of the future after he was dead because it fits in to your bullshit political view?

Fuck you fucking SJW assholes pushing politics into EVERYTHING

I spent five seconds typing a reply to your stupid shit and you're going full on goon-posting already. Sorry, you played your card too soon. Maybe try "why do women love black cock" trolling instead, to build your confidence back up?

Not that it really ever existed

No, he thought we are dirty elves

It isn't even SJWs this time it's just autists trying to apply filters and structures to things to try to salvage some feeling of comfort and security in the face of things they can't categorize

In this case though it's more virulent because we have discovered a wild goonposter in the grass

I kind of like reading Tao Lin to laugh at but contrasting it against that stuff is pretty telling/sad, yeah.

Lol this

He legit needs to order a helium tank exit kit... Imagine how much the five people he interacts with in his real life wish he never woke up one day

:^)

I would seriously just quit using the internet for a few days at this point. Maybe have some long skype calls with my internet friends, talk about anime girls, and stuff. Eat some more icecream, get fatter. You know, comfort stuff before I finally accept that I'm worthless and not even anonymous people on a chinese research chemical store yelp review page can tolerate my toxic, socially malfunctioning shit.

:)

Sorry for making this thread.

here's my own theory, which damaged my brain irrevocably during my childhood reading of the trilogy

first of all lotr is apocalyptic and it defines some events in the past and after the middle of the second books it starts a prophecy

a). Gandalf is UK
b). He defeats a flaming monster of Nazi Germany, woken up by the jews
c). Dies in process
d). Revives even stronger and defeats the dark Forces of Soviets, but by the nads of lesser people now

i feel like the FBI is going to come seize my computer for watching this goon get raped that hard

He didn't have any simbology in mind. The story is what you actually read.

i think everyone else already established that anyone who found an allegory or parable in Tolkein has a defective pattern recognization system in their brain

if you want a political allegory, why not read Animal Farm?

are these the same faggots who read Heinlein novels and think they're reading some sort of insightful political treatise and come offer up their INNOVATE & TOTES REVOLUTIONARY philosophies based on a science fiction novelist who devolved into just writing incest porn?

>Jews/Turks/Orcs
>Dwarfs/Scots
pick one

you're an idiot. any and all stories can and will and can not not model the world.

because all stories are based on rearrangements of phenomenon in the world

if he liked fucking black chicks maybe the orcs would have been the good guys, and we would know this

what you don't know is that if the shoe fits, wear it, you think that if its not your shoe and it fits, then your foot is wrong or it's actually a sham shoe

Autists hate this.

>I have to determine my own framework to put everything in, instead of using a prebuilt one?
>REEEEEE

also the goon posting parable moron kid is currently sperging out in IRC, apparently we are all paid shills

It's fucking hilarious

What channel senpai

didn't Tolkien btfo nazis

I'm sorry but this is not an Autist friendly thread. Please try /r9k/

actually, if you don't find allegories and parables in tolkien, YOU are the one that is brain damaged, you regressive liberal faggot.

a FUNCTIONAL pattern recognition system can, and will, find patterns in anything and everything and if it's a good one it'll find multiple patterns.

learn to operate your fucking human vessel you retarded noob

shit here comes /r9k/

Both CS Lewish and Tolkien were redpilled.

sorry for violating your safe space, i'll stop cis-abling you about your homosexual down syndromes

what u call redpill today, u called common sense back in the day

you're the liberal faggot if you apply Russian formalism to Tolkien

writer's input IS important and no cuck in a cardigan will convince me otherwise

if you try really hard to improve yourself every day some day you'll realize that if the shoe fits you should wear it. and you'll apologize to the people that already knew such simple things.

See, this is a legitimate example of someone being buttblasted.

>autists: get destroyed, call the person destroying them buttblasted
>autists also post mini-novel size rants, in this case they actually are buttblasted

You're literally disagreeing with the fucking author who said it wasn't an allegory. Go find some patterns in the cars that circle your block with your neuro-similar buddies on

>>/r9k/

Also, calling someone a regressive liberal WHEN YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN SEARCHING THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FATHER ABANDONED, MOTHER SMOTHERS YOU PSYCHE FOR MEAN WORDS TO USE means about as much as a BLM chimp calling us racist crackers. Please kill yourself or stay in your autist/spergie containment zones.

hey now don't go and find patterns in what i said finding patterns in what i said would be a symptom of autism

Back in the day, the krauts were considered Huns.

>they still are... really

did you know you can get a helium tank exit kit for under $40?

how badly do you have to fail at every aspect of your life when even people on a mongolian cat barbecue tip hotline think you're mentally deficient and socially toxic?

he was coming to terms with his homo sex, notice all the phallic shaped objects

you're an autistic memer probably underage at that

I have never seen someone on Sup Forums who was this socially damaged, and I've been here since Jaffa called the trial

Haha nice try but this isn't an AUTIST SUPPORT GROUP

dont know, for me its just fun and some kind of childish thought experiment

your idea of evidence is having been told something, my idea of evidence is having known something.

you're not trying to find patterns that you used you imagination for to make up some autistic fan fic about how my father abandoned me and thats why i disagree with you are i because that would you be doing the pattern recognition thing with my words oh wait you didn't use your imagination you just repeated some shit that you heard before and you thought you should call me that and if i ask for evidence you'll tell me that you heard it before

oh no i'm doing the pattern recognition thing to you, but i don't have any evidence, shit, i just thought it in my head and then told you.

No one likes you. None of the five people you see regularly in life can stand you for more than the few awkward moments it takes for you to fumble your wallet and move through the checkout line.

Helium. Exit. Tank. :)

YOU CANNOT BE REDPILLED IF YOU ARE RACIST

[Aspergers externally]

>redpilled
Can anyone define this?

Hahaha what the fuck he's completely incoherent now

i'm 26 and not autistic so good guessing psyk it's actually not good guessing

come over to my house and i'll tell the lady in the other room to fuck you and she'll actually do it

so you're saying that if the shoe fits, don't wear it. well that's just like your opinion man, you're seriously intolerant of people that think that shoes that fit should be worn, we're not forcing you to wear shoes we don't care if your feet get cut on glass edgier than your ignorance

is this how people shitpost when they are having a mental breakdown

Jews are behind everything
Everyone else is plugged into the matrix and you're the only enlightened, special snowflake on earth
Something about MGTOW

Huns means Brits here

you're 26 and you've literally wasted your life on imageboards, does it feel good?

when i was 12 i had a better defense against people rustling my jimmies than you do, you're like a miniature Zoe Quinn currently, screaming, crying

you need your hugbox.

and Tolkien hated allegory :^)

what is this post even saying i don't understand it, these words don't even make sense together, this makes no sense at all it's just random words strung together, i've read william b strunks style and form in writing and let me tell you this guy has no idea how to write, i really doubt he's read william b strunks book on writing which is considered mandatory course material for anyone going into journalism or writing degrees and fields, so that's solid proof he doesn't even know how to create a logical sentence that has meaning

am i doing proof right

guys guys leave the aspie alone! he's got just as much right to be socially helpless as anyone else!

>personally i find that people who have to either have every work of fiction they read be a parable extolling their pre-existing beliefs, or who have to find comparisons to real world events.. i find that those people are generally spectacularly mentally weak.

>i'm looking at you, libertarian fanfic readers, and socialist fantasy utopia fans

you're like a shittier version of that failed comedian guy who comes here and constantly accuses himself of being a mass shooter,

Even if the story is not allegorical, it represents Tolkien's values and beliefs, ie that goodness/beauty/justice/liberty must be actively and aggressively defended; that even though war is horrific the alternative can be worse; that traditional values such as honor, fidelity, truth, etc are valuable and worthy.

These are all what would generally be considered 'redpilled' values/beliefs, so LOTR is redpilled.

Also Tolkien is pretty explicit about the superiority/nobility of light-skinned, light-eyed people.

>them dub dubs

KEK CONFIRMS.

ASPIE ETERNALLY BTFO

Can't argue with Kek

doesn't really matter if there's any ties to the real world, LOTR and the silmarillion are real gems of fantasy, books like this don't get written anymore.

The stories are all tragic. Even LOTR is bittersweet in the end, because the world can never be the same again even if you want it to. Elves are sailing for the undying lands, dwarves and ents are going extinct, hobbits will go into hiding and the greater men will forget their superior lineage. Beauty and happiness is fleeting and all you can ever do is try and hold on to that last bit of goodness before it fades away

Germany is Saruman's army and France is that puppet king under its spell.

The scandinavian countries are the elves and mediterranean countries are the dwarves, except the Iberian Peninsula which is rulled by goblins. Latin america is also goblins. Switzerland is the shire.

The US is some other kingdom while sandnigers are those people with huge elephant like creatures.

Sauron is more abstract. Its like the kraut's collective consciousness and their never ending lust for destruction. Maybe Belgium.

KEK HAS SPOKEN

This guy understands Tolkien! But these themes are too abstract for aspies, especially since the only beauty they experience is a 2d waifu

>i'm 26 and not autistic

DOUBT.JPG

>Germany is Saruman's army and France is that puppet king under its spell.
>The scandinavian countries are the elves and mediterranean countries are the dwarves, except the Iberian Peninsula which is rulled by goblins. Latin america is also goblins. Switzerland is the shire.
>The US is some other kingdom while sandnigers are those people with huge elephant like creatures.

Tolkien would tell you to fuck off.

i wasn't defending myself because that would be intolerant of your opinions, i just wanted to show solidarity with you by agreeing that patterns have to be on purpose to exist, just like you shouldn't necessarily wear a shoe just because it fits, right?

if i disagreed with you and defended myself i'd have to show actual scientifc proof that you should wear a shoe if it fits and i can't do that because maybe its not your shoe or maybe you're going outside right?

just like all the concentrated autism that went into that meme saying, 'stupid is as stupid does' like yeah well fucking PROVE that stupid is as stupid does. helllo! you can't prove that that's bullshit i've seen smart people do something stupid and stupid people do something smart, so NO, you autist, STUPID IS IS NOT AS STUPID DOES, go back to /r9k/ if you think that stupid is as stupid does, that's just speglord pattern recognition lol

see i'm agreeing with you

>didn't Tolkien btfo nazis

Yes he hated them

CONFIRMED X2.

GO AWAY KNOCKOFF SHAM HIDE.

Why are you even trying, just log off for the night and try to forget how badly you were smacked around

Don't confuse repeatedly touching your dick to a hot stove with rhetorical ability

It doesnt matter. It all makes sense now.

and doubt, my friend, is all you need in life.

or at least you hope

don't doubt that hope you have that doubt is all you need to be smart and succeed

you need that hope.

now that i think about it, you've failed

>Also Tolkien is pretty explicit about the superiority/nobility of light-skinned, light-eyed people.

Is this only in LOTR or could you make some sort of allegory (even if it's just projected by the reader and not intended by Tolkien) for the Silmarillion