Capitalists LITERALLY btfo

Capitalists LITERALLY btfo

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Damn, what a retard. Guy must be 14.

Oh wait

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Prob 28 in moms basement playing video games. Loser.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hampton_Institute
Created by a moron, for morons, and quoted by morons.
Moron.

Capitalism says your labour belongs to you and you may sell it as you wish or if you wish to assume most of the risk you can raise some capital find some investors and start your own buisness and collect all the fruits of your labour. I don't roll out of bed at this point for less than 27 /hr at this point and only if there is a sweet benefits package to go along with it.

Op is a dumb ass

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Would you say that at this point you feel like you ha e a strong command of the English language at this point? Or do you think at this point your salary is irrelevant at this point?

That's literally a food bank in the United States not a communist grocery store.

don't bother, they don't care about facts

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Communists argue that labour is completely involuntary since the alternative to not starving in a ditch is working. Pretty sugoi, huh?

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>posts pic of america
>this is socialism

Imagine how much it costs to keep one person in prison for a year on literally any charge lol.

the bottom left graph always makes me lol. Because the two lines diverge when Nixon got the US off the commodity standard

100%. My county is currently building a new multi-million dollar jail that'll hold over 100 people. Our current jail holds 35, there's 50+ people in there though. More than half of them on nonviolent drug crimes. The high school just shut down what little of the trade learning classes they had, and the art programs because it couldn't afford them anymore. Welcome to Indiana, where we prep you for factory life or prison.

Marxists are so stupid.

Free markets that do not serve people absolutely die, because if they dont, people wouldnt voluntarily participate in them.

Markets are a system of exchange regarding the products of human action.

With basic understanding of what a market actually is, you quickly understand what socialists really want. They want collective control of human action.

Socialism is inherently authoritarian, and is absolutely rooted in the fear of inadequacy, and the desperate need to control others in order to make up for those feeling of inadequacy.

My actions do not need to serve everybody equally, and beliefs they should is an insane love of slavery in the attainment of an immoral and impossible goal.

Nah

walmart
amazon

What socialists really want is an end to dynastic wealth and the overall betterment of the human race but go off XD

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And really it's not the end to dynastic wealth that's important. If it was possible to have mass wealth inequality without exploitation that would probably be ok too, Conrad.

Capitalism was never mean't to be a political system, but a naturally formed economic system, if you are so blind to the fact that the government has been inching, and sometimes taking gigantic leaps and bounds, to controlling the economic system of the country for the last 100-200 years, you have no business in grownup talks about politics, It's actually funny at times what people just accept as fact because they were either too uneducated, or too apathetic to ask about it.

your key fault is you assume marxists understand markets, but don't and never will. It obvious from "Das Kapital" the guy literally has no understanding, and why would he?

He never did any real engagement with the market himself in his life, He was always being financially supported by his father and later Engels.

For sure, just quit fucking us essentially.

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This is such an econ 101/student understanding. You have no idea about the real world.

All the rest of this bullshit gets dragged in because people are too dumb and think they're the ones doing the fucking :) they generally have no idea

So what happened to that worldwide collapse of capitalism that was meant to happen by the turn of the century, according to Marx?

His superior understanding of markets surely wouldn't have lent him the ability to make such a blunder, and cause constant reformist movements of his ideas for the proceeding century and a quarter

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>Free markets that do not serve people absolutely die, because if they dont, people wouldnt voluntarily participate in them.

Imagine unironically thinking this. Imagine thinking people voluntarily participate in them and could, by choice, leave them

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>Capitalism says your labour belongs to you and you may sell it as you wish or if you wish to assume most of the risk you can raise some capital find some investors and start your own
Not anymore. Mass monopolies own everything

That’s all political systems. You wanna tell me hat under capitalism the workers don’t get shafted.

I support capitalism but it’s disingenuous to imply that it doesn’t have winners and losers

who is forcing you to stay in society with 24/7 supermarkets and fast food, toilets, toothpaste, daily showers & modern medicine?

You can get out to the woods, and spend 8 hours of your day catching one meal, at any time.

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You still can chose where you work

I'm not talking Marx. I'm saying YOU have a limited understand of global econ and markets in general. They aren't models.

You literally cannot do this. It is illegal.

This is why I am the president of the United States!

how the fuck did you get anything to do with modelling from what i originally said? the entirety of what i said originally was about Marx.

show me one person arrested and prosecuted for this.

Hahaha nice one but most people on here are too brainlet too appreciate this. This shit made me lol in class

Well other can chose if they want to hire you. You aren’t forced to work anywhere and no one is forced to hire you. Freedom

No it isn’t. It just isn’t easy but there are some Lenny of people who are off the grid and sustain themselves

Try getting a job. A real one, something that has nothing to do with your gender studies degree. Works wonders. You might even finally figure out if you're a boy or a girl!

YOU. DON'T. UNDERSTAND. MARKETS. YOUR. CRITICISM. IS. MEANINGLESS.

is that easier for your peanut brain to parse lol

So you cannot choose where you work? Yeah that's what it thought.

We need another Red Scare.
Round up the commies and burry them alive in a landfill

Intellectual laziness. Just as bad as those rednecks that say "Murica love it or leave it!"

>Choose the form of your master

Is there some Lenny of people? How Lenny would you say there are? It's illegal you dumb bitch. You can't just kill whatever wild game you want and illegally squat on land.

i am buzz lightyear i cum in pies

>completely missed the entirety of the rest of the post about how marx never engaged in markets

I've never engaged or studied Falconry in my entire life. Here, objectively accept my criticism of Falconry as inhumane and damaging to birds.

Not in a communist country. You do the job you're assigned.

What is your job, neet? 'taking care of your mom'?

so why don't you leave? Penicillin, 24/7 supermarkets, toilet paper.

If its so terrible, what's keeping you here?

You don't know what you're talking about. It's ok. Not everyone is an authority on global economics.

You can choose. But your choice may not be accepting to the other party. That’s freedom. Freedom isn’t getting what you want it’s what’s mutually beneficial for all parties involved.

>DaE transgender bad xD
Pack it up guys, this guy knows what he's talking about here

In order to sustain yourself you'd need to small scale farm and hunt. This requires owning land and purchasing permits for hunting, gun ownership, etc. Paying for land and permits requires participating in the capitalist system.

>It just isn’t easy

annnddd here we have the reason the user won't do it. And will fight and join for any pseudo-intellectual movement/idea to avoid the reality that capitalism has objectively made their lives easier and more comfortable.

More true in the US than any communist country in history.

You can own land without being part of society. Something is always in season to hunt or there is no season if you hunt invasive species like hogs

>freedom is what's mutually beneficial for all parties involved
lol what? that's not what freedom is at all!

There is literally not a single piece of land that the government doesn't own, either through some nth era mass property tax system, or because the gov is just waiting to crack down on any loopholes currently in landownership,
Henry david thoreau could see this shit in the 1800's even and it's still not even close to being solved, hell, it's worse if anything, the prison industry is absolutely insane now

It's also illegal.

Why are you repeating yourself?
You're basically saying that the current system is so perfect that anybody who disagrees with it shouldn't be allowed to live here. Think for yourself user, don't be a slave to tradition.

when did i even bring up global economics? or claim i was an authority in such? LMFAO

I specifically referred to Marx' life, and you've somehow invented these other things, pulled from literally nowhere relevant to my original post and are now projecting.

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So freedom is you getting whatever you want? That’s not freedom that entitlement. Your freedom shouldn’t infringe on someone else’s freedom. If it does then no one is free.

quote me, word-for-word where I've said that. i'll wait.

So your option is either participate in capitalist society as it currently is with no criticism or move somewhere that theoretically exists and buy land that you don't have to pay taxes on in the woods and hunt only invasive species. Lol ok dude.

I have close to 30k right now that I want to put into the market to see returns on, would that make me a filthy capitalist? What is so wrong about lending my money so that other people can continue to run their business so that they make money and pay me back and around and around we go. Seems like a good enough system to me

I didn't say that. That would be almost as dumb as saying freedom is when two parties have a mutually beneficial agreement lol.

sounds like we need more government than hey?

again, show me one instance of a person arrested and successfully prosecuted for living off the grid. You haven't yet, and this is the second request, because you can't

I love when capitalists ever bring up modern medicine, something that only exists because of socialism. The vast majority of all medicines we have today are thanks to tax dollar funded research

No one said you can’t criticize. Just that you aren’t forced to live in it. Just don’t try and say socialism is the answer. Better capitalism is.

socialists reject the market, i.e, the law of value

>You know, capitalism has worked for a while, but maybe we should improve it to address some of its critical flaws
>NOOOOOOO CAPITALISM FOREVER AND ALWAYS, CHANGE BAD

It's o dope that capitalism gives us good options like the second one boy I can't imagine anyone choosing to get exploited by their boss instead of being mauled by feral hogs alone in the woods!

>You can own land without being part of society.
>land ownership
>not part of society
What?? Mofo what do you think property taxes are? There is no purchasable land that is outside of a gov jurisdiction
>or there is no season if you hunt invasive species like hogs
Probably need a permit to do something like this if it is even allowed

How is something that is beneficial to both parties, or 1000 parties, without outside interference not freedom? By your definition freedom doesn’t exist

Hey dude what's your job? Just so we know you know what you're talking about what with the job having and all.

How leftist work, not Communists asshole.

False.
Socialists don’t believe in markets.

Define "sustain yourself".

>I didn't say that exact thing verbatim so that means I didn't say it
>Checkmate libtardz

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because as an owner of capital, you'd only be helping other owners of capital. The profits from that relationship come from value stolen from laborer's work.

Don’t need a permit to hunt invasive species in your land

Property taxes on undeveloped land are minimal. Like 800 on 500 acres.

So yes technically you have to scrounge up 800 a year but then you are out.

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Like the first Google result?

You have never read the communist manifesto why are you talking about it like you know what it is?

Yes they do. They believe in societal control of them. It’s a bad idea but they believe in it.

Penecilin & x-ray machines, two of the most significant medical discoveries of the 20th century were discovered/invented/researched by privately funded individuals and their teams.

Flemming/Florey and their team, after the discovery, feverishly tried to produce penicillin with absolutely zero government funding

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I have read it and it’s very dry and boring.

You mean like assuring everybody has access health care, education, and public services? Why does that sound familiar?

It's sad that people actually fall for false equivalencies.

I like that there is website about being off the grid. Seems ironic

you are extraordinarily retarded and even the straws your grasping for aren't helping

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Please look up what the word freedom means. It has nothing to do with agreements.

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>what is supply and demand
>politicians will always have more money than regular people
>wages stagnated because of Women entering the workforce, birth control and FLOODS OF IMMIGRANTS

Generally I agree with you.
The US is fucked and a Civil War will happen, but "muh Capitalism!1!1!!1!" is not the problem.
It's from this retarded philosophical doctrine of Equality, feminism, atheism and Cosmopolitanism.

So you are still part of society and very much part of the grid and you won't be able to squat on land there are building codes and regulations.. which you need permission for. You didn't know that kiddo? You need to ask the Gov permission to approve you MAYBE building something on this land you don't even own yet. Here is a good rule of thumb, if the land hadn't been developed on yet.. there is probably a good reason for it not being used. So you won't be able to do anything with it. Maybe do the smallest bit of research on off the grid living before you come shit up a Sup Forums thread with your nonsense

Everyone has access to them now. They just cost money and if you have money you get better things. No one is denied any of those things.