Hey, self-defense specialist here (H2H mostly), what's your plan if you're attacked on the street by a random guy...

Hey, self-defense specialist here (H2H mostly), what's your plan if you're attacked on the street by a random guy? I'll rate/critique your answer. Feel free to provide additional context.

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Shoot them in the chest twice

Get naked, commence jacking off

A good plan in a carry state. 5/10

You lose on fronts they weren't attacking you on 0/10

Good thing my state loves guns

Depends if they have a weapon or not.
Not getting stabbed or shot is the plan.
One on one in fist fight, I could hold my ground for while
two on one, kick one in balls and run try to if I have to fight only go one on one.

I’m also trained in combat and I would immediately judo sweep them into the floor and then put them in a hold. Once there in my it’s over and even if there’s two people I can hold one guy as a shield while I use one of my legs to kick the other guy

go for the balls eyes neck and break the arms since i am decent at doing that if it is h2h. if it is with an gun i just shooty mcscootey

Why could you hold your own 1v1? Aiming for the balls isn't always conclusive and often unnecessarily escalates things in 2v1. 2v1, a big strike to the stomach and then running on the same side of the person you struck would be better. Or just stack them prior to the confrontation. You still have a plan though so above average, 7/10

Why are you decent at that? Fighting dirty outright is rarely a good plan due to the escalation.

the frik is escalation and why would it matter if they dont have arms lol

WHich hold/Which sweep? Holding and kicking isn't amazing. I can believe you're trained, but if you are you know that you can't hostage unarmed. Better to open up the chance to run as opposed to teeping your way out, unless that's your specialty. Also, a hold/sub/pin is tricky against another free attacker.

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Escalating the fight to a more dangerous zone, like turning a fist fight into a knife fight into a gun fight. Fear->Injury->death etc. How would you break the attackers arms?

I ball my fists together at my right side and initiate a kameha-meha wave to blast his ass away like the goddamned moon.

be fast and grab them as they attack. there's probably some complicated technique for it which is a gorillion times better than what im thinking of but im sure it would work against an average person who isnt trained against it

Get into boxing stance, feint, small step drag back, transition to south paw for more distance, southpaw jab. Go backwards to orthodox, feint jab, lead hook. Depending on how they react, I can't say what's next.
But after boxing 20 years in Willie pep footwork works well.

I'll hand him a Snickers because you're just not yourself when you're hangry.

Teep with a left high kick, if he's still standing right punch and then an elbow to the face, leg kicks to his dominate leg and then run.

>muay Thai guy

Are you the same guy wo said i should do a front kick instead of a round kick when i get the attacker off balance? I was curious what the reasoning is, since in my mind it takes a lot more focus to aim a front kick at a kneecap

i guffawed

No clinch though, too afraid in a street fight he can pull a knife out, but maybe one good knee if I see the opening.

i'm kinda big , 6 foot 2 , 270 lbs. so the niggers don't try any shit , but I would do some judo move and slam them on the pavement real quick, like over my shoulder, or pull their arm towards me then pivot and use their momentum to throw the on the pavement

My neighbor was a black belt me and brother did some rather informal training. with some sparring practice so I'm not very good. But the few conformations I've in real life one vs one was manageable with my minimal training. it become difficult in 2v1 situations. The second person always managed to immobilize me.

Round kick has a lot of travel, the oblique kick is less likely to get caught and it's the nearest weapon to nearest target.

Pull out my cock and attempt to molest them

This, great advice. Don't bother going for the balls. Wind the guy, attack the legs or attack the face. Also, hitting the back if you have a chance and he fucks up is always good, right in the kidneys and he'll piss his pants and next time he pisses it will be blood. Body shots to the kidneys kids, remeber that.

Front kick will throw him back and make him off blaance, but you want to follow it up with a high kick or another attack while you have the upper hand. If you've ever had a front kick done to you, you'll know what I'm talking about, takes a few seconds to get your barrings straight again.

Start masturbating. When they are off guard punch/kick/knee/elbow/etc. to the groin, then gut, then throat or head.

black belt in what?

Wado kai

OP here, cheers, kidney shots are great esp when disengaging from a grapple or from back control/any nelson.

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I kick them in the dick, gouge both eyes out, disembowel him and then take a shit on his chest while smiley_man.jpg at any witnesses

OP here, I've never heard of it so can't comment. Against two attackers, it comes to opportunities and mobility, and tbh there's almost never going to be a 90%+ plan, stacking them, moving to the side you attack and grip breaking are the best bets though imo.

i ask for peace first, if they are unreasonable, i draw my sword and once more ask for peace, if once again they are unreasonable, i run away....

UNrealistic plans are the worst, hard to even tend towards step 1 of your plan. 2/10

De-escalating is the best first step most the time, as meme-y as this is, still pretty good, the first and last steps are both staples. 6-7/10 tbh

Come on nigger, it was obviously a crock of horse shit

And I gave it a fair rating.

youtu.be/pkGbrl2WkUU first few seconds is what i had in mind for a round kick

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20 ish seconds in, is that the oblique kick your referencing? Id be woried about overextending my center of gravity if i miss. Id be at very close range adding the kick to a continuous combo of clawing/jabbing and elbows.

its a slower but a more defensive style. I think a someone practiced could handle more than more person.

Slower isn't better against 2 people is my only qualm. Definitely can, I just mean that rarely will 1 plan work in 2 scenarios

Yeah, I actually learned that in boxing before I got into muay Thai, haha, my fucking coach taught us, loved that guy. I would only do that on purpose if I was in a street fight, but fuck man, I've been hit there before when trainingt, instant piss feeling and hurts like a mother fucker and it wasn't even that hard and they had gloves. I've also been kicked in the nuts by accident, I was still standing, took a second to walk it off, but I could have kept going if needed and I would have been pissed and more agressive since they are going cheap, but a kidney shot stopped me in a split second. A nut shot towards me means they are scared and out of options, it's like blood in the water.

That second kick is what I meant, but it's disguised as a step and jars the opponent's hips and pressure. I see the first kick as an option for sure, but full sweeps from leg kicks aren't very reliable and if your opponent is checking kciks they're trained as well which complicates things. In the oblique case, you can force an extension/hyperextension, injure and run. Both are good options if you're good at using them for sure though.

>on the street by a random guy
I feel confident that i can hit the concrete with the face of about 75% of people. A random attacker would overwhelmingly be likely to be untrained, inexperienced, out-of-shape and emotionally unstable already.

Now a determined attacker is en entirely different story, comprising much less than 1% of the population and approaching with a plan of attack, such an individual would challenge my skills, preparedness and control.

TLDR your question is dumb and you're gay.

t. actual instructor.

I feel ya, I remember one of my first southpaw body shot heavy sparring partners, took a full hook to the liver as I stepped in, ended the round in 13 seconds. Your will to stand just falls outta ya

>Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Ring time is important. Really, the best option is to have a good run game and run the fuck out of there if you're alone, only fight if you're with someone who can't can't run away fast enough. So many things can go wrong.

That's why I said to provide your own additional context you retard. You gave two different scenarios and didn't actually say what you'd do for either. Nice m80

Great outline, reducing risk is key. Exit strategies, forcing a stalemate etc. With no ring+Ring experience, you can keep sowing that jab/longest weapon whilst backing into a space to run as well.

You didn't get kicked in the nuts if you didn't drop on the spot immediately.

A strong kick to the balls, if it doesn't make you pass out, leaves you incapacitated and wishing you had never been born, Nobody has conditioned balls, eyes or teeth. Naturally they are the first targets.

You got slightly tapped on a testicle and shook it off. Cheap shots are best shots in a fight because the aim is to annihilate the attacker, not score points, not be fair, not win medals.

You can condition your balls but it's stupid to do so imo. A toe in the gooch is worse imo

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Cheap shots aren't the best shots. They're good for sure but not the best, why go for the eyes on the ground when you're in an inferior position
? I'd suggest fighting dirty once you're winning or to get the advantage early, and even then, still questionable.

I feel ya, fuck that shit hurts. You're giving my body flashbacks, haha. I gotta work on my southpaw game more, I'll do it for a little bit here and there when sparring but I always get my ass kicked, if I stay southpaw. Thanks, I'll do some back work tomorrow southpaw, glad you brought that up. That's the thing though, a lot of these guys won't know until they are in the ring. Just take up boxing if you guys aren't sure, easy to learn, you'll be good enough in three months.

If they are experienced, i doubt id get in a high agression combo, much less be effective with it. Id be keeping my distance and on defense, trying to force them to close in an uncontrolled manner. But if they are experienced, im at less than even odds of success already, so id be more likely to retreat. Beter some bruises and a fat lip then getting knocked out for god knows whatever purpose this maniac has.

I'm a young man, I'm 5'6" and 170 pounds. Not particularly in shape. I took 1 year of Krav Maga a couple years ago. I don't train anymore but I can keep my hands up and throw my hands in a fist shape with aggression. Never been in a fight before.

My decision would really depend on the situation.

Let's take the most common scenario
>Walking alone down the street
>My head is up and I see them coming (Condition Yellow)
>Some guy, 7 yards away, yells, asks for money, starts getting mad etc,
>I talk, try to defuse.(Condition Orange)
>Guy closes the distance, stabs me, punches me, etc.
>I'm laid out on the ground in shock, guy keeps pounding me
>Guy runs away

That's what would probably happen.

Ideally I would either run away as soon as he started stepping to me.
Or, I would swing first, hard, fast, and repeatedly to his nose, or palm heel to his jaw, kick to the side, knee to groin, etc.

I really don't think I would have the nerve or resolve to do that. I hesitate and am unsure of myself on the daily though I am working on that. I have a good history of quickly and decisively acting in response to dangerous situations (car crash, fire alarms, injury), but I simply don't know if I would act in a fight since there's no referee to start the fight.
I would really like to know if I would act but I'm not going to go looking for a fight. I asked a middle aged man in my family that I respect about it. He said anyone that gets cornered will fight.

>tendency to judge harshly?
>point out your insecurities as flaws in others?
>quick temper?
>play the victim?
Keep an eye on that negative crap.

My dad was in the army, my neighbor's dad was in the airforce, we were arguing over which would win, a fighter jet or land forces. We both asked our dads and neither could give a conclusive answer because strategy is one thing, tactics another.

Which taught me that people who have a clue don't hold a clear picture of the future at all, they change to fit the changing situation.

Not being an asshole will keep you out of a lot of trouble, being a scaredy-cat suburban who skulks around creating nightmare scenarios all day is being an asshole.

You train drills, you get a little confident, you carry yourself like someone who isn't an easy target, shit avoids you. Again, determined attackers are rare as fuck and nobody can say what they'd do without sounding like an absolute shithead.

This is a perfectly fine diagnosis and a realistic understanding of what you'd do man. If you can keep distance and move into open space though, you've got plenty of room to escape. If you can detect the level of threat you'd easily know when to run.

>You can condition your balls
Yeah you can also toughen your brain by taking hits to the head, just ask Ali or half the NFL.

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The nuts aren't a large area and I can tell you, if you go for my nuts I'm going to notice your teep going low or you doing a soccer kick and I'll know what you're doing and why. Doing a teep for the nuts is hard because it's a small area and low, so it's not going to throw me off balance if you connect to my leg and it's going to make you seem desperate to go for my nuts and make my game that much more aggressive. And if you do connect, odds are it will be partly my buts and partly my leg, it will hurt, but I will still be effective at fighting. And if the other guy is on PCP for exmaple, he won't notice it, your best and only option is to wind him out.

Give in to their demands and if they ask for wallet or phone, I'll gently toss it to the ground away from me and run in the opposite direction as fast as I can to a public place where I know people will be.

A lot depends on warning, but basically I'm scanning my environment at all times. In public places I sit with my back to a wall, facing the entrances. I have a CCW and belt satchel with a 9mm XDS with 13 round capacity.

If there is a public threat in general, it should be easy enough to draw without being noticed, then wait for an opportunity. If possible to do so without drawing attention, I move to cover before ever presenting a threat.

I'm not a quick draw artist. I'm pretty confident I would fail to draw my weapon quickly in a panicked situation. There's no duty to retreat in my state, but depending on the threat it may be the better option. However if I have my firearm out, I've practiced enough that I trust my aim for center mass within 15 yards, even under stress, and I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger (indeed, once I've presented the weapon I've escalated the situation to life or death for the attacker).

Hopefully the fact I am actively scanning my environment and keep my hands at the ready will deter a random attacker from choosing me as a hard target. And it will also filter only for the most reckless or drug crazed targets.

If someone approaches me directly on the street, I'm going to position my hands in such a way as to improve my chances of a successful draw. I intend to engage them diplomatically, and if they've clearly announced malevolent intention, I might toss my wallet as a distraction before drawing my gun.

If there are multiple attackers, I kneecap one and make it clear anyone who continues to approach will cause me to shoot the original target repeatedly, and if they value their comrade they'll retreat.

A sample size of 1 and you use it to extrapolate a whole person? Not the best there cobba. You should have ackowledged that you didn't read the whole OP. Just give the context, then give your plan, I'll happily comment on it m8

Go for the legs and eyes.

hit the weak areas, nuts, eyes, palm in the nose, punch the back of the head, this isn't mano-a-mano, I'd use elbows for ground game to avoid hurting my wrists.

If he is going to act like a nigger I'm going to fight him like I would an animal

Look up Shaolin training with their dumb ball kicks.

From muay thai terms to PCP attacker.

OK look you're mixed up, every combat sport is gimped for combat by having rules. Mirko CroCop was stopped in the first by a fingertip touch to the eyeball once. As for the PCP attacker, cops night-stick the kneecap because when your patella has taken a massive hit and you put pressure on that knee, the leg just fails, it's nothing to do with toughness it's the nervous system refusing to allow the muscles and skeleton to keep using that joint.

Let me do you the thread a favor and instead of rules, give you the Basic Principles of HTH combat.

1. Be aggressive

2. Keep your eye on your opponent

3. Distract your opponent

4. Disable or be disabled

5. Vary the attack to fit the situation

6. Every defense must become a relentless attack

7. Always feel superior to your opponent regardless of the latter's size or appearance of strength

8. be single minded, your aim is to kill.

This last one is important. Not to be confused with tunnel-vision, being single minded is deadly. I heard a prison guard speak about how he would rather deal with any amount of drugged, crazy or angry inmates rather than someone who had a single aim in mind. 12 men in full gear can have a terrible, risky time dealing with one naked sweaty dude who has one aim, be it hurt a screw, escape, whatever.

>your best and only option is to wind him out.
This is insane, especially against someone with the above principles behind their thinking.

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Wrists aren't the main issue if you're ground striking, it's breaking your hand, regardless, good time to use elbows.

Safe plan 5/10

Shaolin party tricks are good entertainment for people from a low-crime high-corruption society who want to kid themselves they can fight. I've actually learned a few of them and if i'd tried them without knowing the trick i could have permanently injured myself.

Gun. Fucking Eurotrash.

Fine set of outlines. 7/10. I'd argue your defense doesn't have to be an outright attack, but it works better for the fight to kill mentality, depends on your onjective I suppose.

u ain't shit bitch

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I do get it, I wasn't arguing in favour of learning that shit, just that some know how to take it better than others. Groin strikes aren't entirely high accuracy regardless.

Fair enough and all good points. I've never fought someone on PCP and hopefully never, but going just for the kill is spot on. I guess if they guy isn't responding to my attacks then it's time to bump it up to single thought mode.

spray mace
run away

so... critique OP?

>I guess if they guy isn't responding to my attacks then it's time to bump it up to single thought mode
I'm guessing you don't have any children, right? Because if my son raises his hand to another, i want him in single thought mode. If he starts boxing around and skipping about he's in the frame for a 1-shot loss. The aim as a civilian is look hard to intimidate or abduct, be intelligent and composed when spoken to, then fucken cancel the cunt if he crosses the line.

When you're a baby you don't want to get hurt, when you're a man you don't want to hurt anyone, when you're a grown man you don't want anyone to ever get hurt. World's covered in orcs guided by the fact that killing someone hurts less than getting punched in the teeth.

lol nobody has tough balls, a tap on a teste will test your toughness, but an actual strike to the sack drops any man alive.

I do have childern. And taking someone's life is a different thing than defending yourself, as in just making the guy not a threat any more or making him not worth your time. I get what you're saying, but going around with the though if "ending" anyone that crosses you will fuck up your world view. You even said it, no man wants to hurt anyone and sometimes you have to, but if you're trained you can do enough to put them down without having to take their life, in most cases.

And how are you going to do your ball attack? Get low, throw a right, hope your spot on and the guy doesn't mvoe out of the way and follow-up with a kick or a knee?

That situational awareness will carry you far for sure. 8-9/10, not a critique, just a suggestion that you may already know, but if the distance gets closed by your attacker or there are multiple, go hand on wrist grip and empty your gun away from you, if you manage to lose a big advantage, it's best to remove what gave you the advantage entirely. Rare cases though.

OP here, this is some wacky stuff my guy. Maybe you read Art of War too many times. There's plenty of room to change strat and consider multiple outcomes, not everything has to be a linear process towards maximum damage.

I can give story. Chillin Venice Beach. Gang banger says get off his turf I make huge scene about only cop is making me move! He sends some guy with face tat to punch me in face while I'm not looking sitting there. I roll over he goes for the kill like a cage fighter not knowing I've studied an autistic amount of BJJ. Roll over and spring up like a cobra off my back put him into triangle dominating him psoitionally. Then omoplata. Then let him up showing I can cripple him easy. He pulls knife. I say I HAVENT BEEN STABED IN A MINUTE!!! First time stabbed was 6th grade. Start spitting at him showing if I get stabbed he's getting spit in his face. Idgaf

I need
>Range
>Angle
>am I sure hes alone?
>what is he doing?
Want something for something genaric? jab high, fire straight into his solar plexus, initiate ankle throw and then draw handgun to prevent further resistance.

I think i was three years into TKD when i got to train around some pro-kickboxers. They showed me how to make the last third of any movement into a blur, kind of like snapping a towel at someone. It saves energy and maximises speed at the same time. But when i went international in TKD it was useless because sport TKD is full of ways within the rules to neutralize a fighter and score big points on him. If you stay within that ruleset you have to do it that way, doesn't matter how good a fighter you are.

Groin kick is practiced with a small target, or in front of a floor-ceiling mirror. It's a blur, can be modified by swivelling on the ball of the base foot and depending on the target's stance, can be set up with head movement and followed up with anything because it doesn't commit your body weight. Remember, it's a soft-target, accuracy is key. Think of it as he's got a lightbulb down the front of his pants, you can smash it.

One of the best examples of this move i've seen thrown in training was a woman about 5 ft nothing. She had tiger-eyes and that little person's need to be a stinging insect. She was from jin woo koon i think, if someone tried to bother her they'd be risking it.

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>not everything has to be a linear process towards maximum damage
Famous last words.

Ankle throw? Like an ankle pick? If you can land the jab, I'd say just throw the straight to the head. Still solid 7-8/10

not the guy you're replying to, but generally an osotogari. Use lapel hand on neck or head, drive head backwards into ground and gtfo

? What. If you plan to defend against 2 people whilst also with someone you plan to protect, that mentality is stupid.

>the endless 'what if' ditch
I did differentiate between tunnel vision and single-mindedness. After all the 'what if' talk and nightmare scenarios and plans and critiques there's 2 kinds of fighters: them lookin up and them lookin down.

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OP Here, love the Triangle->Omaplata transition, I'm a brown belt under a deleriva black belt.

I know you acknowledged it, which is why it seems super hypocritical to only have one methodology. You over simplify the situation and it makes you seem like a nerd.

Read the principles again, they back up a fluid approach ie tactics.
I was speaking against sport methodology and complicated theory crafting,

"Everybody hath a plan until he getth punched in the fathe" - Mike Tyson

avoid suspicious looking people / run away
I can run a mile in just over 5m and I am fairly confident that I am faster than most people
I like to minimize risk and fighting is a bigger risk

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I read them and my stance is the same, why only aim to inflict maximum damage every time? Self-preservation should be pretty high up there in terms of priorities.

arm drag into rear naked choke while watching to see if he pulls a knife/gun - if so, immediately attempt to disarm

6 years BJJ, 1 year security detail, always carry a knife

Really good plan, you may already have a plan for it so it isn't a critique, but reaching for an arm drag can be a bit sketchy, if you feint first you get an even better option

not op, but dragging to the ground is a good way to get really dead when his buddy shows up

that shit only works 1v1, which is only guaranteed in the octagon

Whip out my knife and start stabbing myself

I'm stabbing you in the throat while in your hold

I live inawoods full of bears. I'd try the same defence with people as bears. A bear-banger to stun/repel (louder than a shotgun from a device the size of a pen) & 2% capsaicin spray to the face if needed to cover retreat