Can someone tell me what exactly went wrong in the execution of the coup last night?

Can someone tell me what exactly went wrong in the execution of the coup last night?
Whats does is need to succesfully take over power as a putschist?

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Nothing. It went exactly as planned.

Prepare for King Erdogan of the Turkish Caliphate.

Too amateur.

What exactly do you mean?

It was fake, Erdogan wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire. He just took a major step in that direction.

Its a false flag. Nobody gous out on a coup with 2000 soldiers. After this erdogan will make a referendum for presedential system and gain absolute power.

Also they started it way too early at 11 pm when all of the population is wide awake.

It was an inside job to keep Erdogan in power

The people are fucking retarded, they want to live in an Islamic shithole.

Kek not wills it

Thought about that too. But if it was a real attempt, how could it fail so hard?

>Nobody gous out on a coup with 2000 soldiers
This

Also I don't like erdogan but the entire country going out in the middle of the night to fight tanks barehanded does speak for him.

They needed to kill erdogan instantly

They didn't take control of Don Roach.

They didn't take control of commercial media, only state media.

They failed to control social media.

The support within the army was fairly low, soldiers who joined coup had low morale.

Bunch of fucking amateurs.

>It was fake,

erdogen probably knew it was going to happen, and knew it would fail, so he let it happen, so it could give him the pretext to crush the army once and for all.

They were disorganised and unable to get the public on their side as well as get the rest of the military to join them. They failed to stop high ranking officials from communicating with news outlets and other officials so they were able to coordinate a counter attack so to speak. Their first step should've been firing a few rockets straight through the hotel where Erdogan was staying but I think it was staged so they obviously wouldn't do that.

It was a staged coup.

1. You kill or capture the top guy
2. You control the media
3. You don't do it at 10 fucking pm when everyone is on the streets or awake
4. You don't do it with 3000 soldiers

all in all a complete fuck up.

Isn't the most important part to get all the civilists and supporters of the regime under full control?

You need serious colonels to succeed not useless cockroaches.

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The first move should have been to capture Ergogan, it seems this wasn't done.

Main problem was it was likely done at short notice.

Might not be far off really. Also the whole surrendering thing. If you do a military coup you don't surrender because you know you will be dead anyways.

Erdogan already put 5 generals and a couple dozen of colonels on standby so fake or not, this is the perfect opportunity for him to purge whoever is not on his side in the military.

not enough balls/troops to control the 100s strong allah shouting pro-erdogancockroach mobs

yeah it speaks that he has the support of a bunch of braindead Islamists

>Whats does is need to succesfully take over power as a putschist?
1. Capture old regime tops.
2. Capture all communication and broadcasting infrastructure, take down all civil comms, keep broadcasting on all TV/radio message that old government already lost and that all citizens should stay indoors.
3. Capture all commanders of all military/paramilitary structures who are not your allies
4. Install checkpoints at all major transport infrastructure.
5. Capture all government institutions and officials.

Without succeeding at 1. you with high chance will fail at swift coup and either lose or go into civil war mode.

>Expecting to overrun the country when all they did was showing up

Gee, I wonder why the coup failed.

The majority of the army wasn't with the couple.

Masses flooded the streets in support of the government and many times disarmed reluctant soldiers who looks like the majority of them were just following orders.

lets just assume it wasnt a false flag but just a complete blunder:

1. You need to capture the president and other members of the government immediatly.
2. shut down TV especially and internet as much as possible so that the government cant communicate with the public
3. Send out a message that explains whats happening to the people, maybe proclaim new elections soon
4. dont let your soldiers and tanks roam around pointlessly on the streets until they get overwhelmed and detained
5. Capture the important government buildings with ground troops, dont fucking attack them with helicopters only
6. most importantly: Only try a coup if you have atleast the united military behind you!

And how do you think you achieve that? You either control the head of the regime or you control his way of communicating with his supporters. They failed to do either.

Coup was going well until Erdogan was allowed to call upon his supporters to go out and stop the soldiers.

It probably was just a Röhm-Putsch.
Erdogan staged it to have a "night of the long blades" again and clean country of anyone who opposes him

Lots of things.
1) They didn't kill Erdogan right off. They took their time.

2) They just assumed everyone would follow them and didn't realize that almost everyone supported Erdogan

3) They surrendered to brutal Muslims and expected to not end up dead

1st and by for most important step: Poach King Roach.

>Main problem was it was likely done at short notice.
This.
Remember how two day before they announced to normalize relations with Russia and Iran?
They even announced to normalize with Syria and were put into place openly via PUBLIC media that this won't be possible until Assad is gone. Whatever power is behind this, US or KSA, they went full panic mode in that night.

Popularity.

The whole of government hinges on the fact that you need commoners to execute the will of the leader. I.e. The police, military etc. all are comprised of commoners. The backbone to all this is that people must ascent to be ruled.
The coup had parts of the military, but the people's ascent to be ruled by Erdogan was left intact thus rendering the coup intact and destined for immediate failure. Guerrilla war can change this, but it's a slow process.

>"Intact" should have read "incomplete".

>Don't capture leaders of the government
>Don't shutdown media outlets
>Let leader you're trying to capture broadcast a message to his followers
>Allow crowds to overwhelm your positions

Though most people like to say this was an Erdogan plot it comes off more off as a poorly planned coup attempt.

Plebs will accept any rule imposed on them as long as there's no other leader figure actively ordering them around.

>1500 soldiers take part in the coup
>Do low flying for scaremongering
>Close bridges to Istanbul
>Attack parlement but do not capture any ministers
>Take over the TV, but leave enough time for Erdogan to make a speech and command the people to go to the streets
>Don't capture Erdogan at his vacation address in southern Turkey
>Surrender immediately to angry crowd of crazy muslims while sitting in armored vehicles and tanks
>Friday night at 11pm, day before weekend when everyone is mostly out

Look at the facts and you see that things don't make sense. I heard some Turk here say that the Gulen followers were about to get thrown in jail by Erdogan, hence why the entire coup seems so amateurish.

>Can someone tell me what exactly went wrong in the execution of the coup last night?
>Whats does is need to succesfully take over power as a putschist?
if you want to succeed in a coup the general public has to either love you so much that they will openly support you - or fear you to the point where they will not publicly oppose you

so since they obviously didn't have public support they shoild have started killing and create a mountain of corpses that would fill hearts of their enemies with fear

Well ur right. Just ever imagined that the pure presence of milita in the streets would be enough to take control over civil population.

>Muslim
>People

Pick one

A real coup made by AKP for presedential system

>coup with 2000 people
>friday 10pm when everyone is finished with work
>3 helicopters, 6 jets... kek
>communication by the coup leaders was done on iphones on WHATSAPP
>the whatsapp group messages all had the same spelling mistakes and every last name was in CAPITAL letters
>400k police that would suck erdogans dick at any moment
>erdogan loving chimps going crazy on streets
>every channel was doing insane amounts of propaganda, loops of erdogan telling the people to confront the army on fucking facetime

Erdogan is basically untouchable now

to thin to smal group, size does matter after all

50% of the Turkish people are conservative muslims who love that Islam is getting more prominent in Turkey.
Other 50% are mixed people of Western, secular and "Don't Care" category.

So yeah, Turks want to be in the EU and also be an Islamic state.

The people want sharia

Simple as that.

Secularist white scum wanted to stop the will of the people

The people put them down. They deserve to die for trying to overturn the 97 percent

Also before Americans get arrogant. Only Muslims can stand up to the army. You are still losing your guns.

Yup, either by taking them out or imprisoning them. One thing for sure, disrupt communication entirely is pretty much an important thing.

In the least case, when you suppress any kind of regime support with fear, which means to kill protestors in masses, wouldn't this loose any kind of sovereignty of the putschists and any possibility of support in the future?

Both right and wrong.

An idea itself can be a leader, like BLM for example. The requirement is that the belief stimulate the imagination. If a leader only browbeats his people, but doesn't exploit their imagination through use of popular verbal imagery he's not standing on firm ground.

Fuck off fatass. Americans cannot into humor.

Choosing violence in an effort to conquer evil dooms a good man.

>Choosing violence in an effort to conquer evil dooms a good man.

Nice fairytale.

In reality, mediocrity is one of the best incubators for sustained violence.

Yup, either go in full force and be the villain and winner or bend over and take it from behind.

Turkish people are retarded.

Self coup. Nothing more.

There som options.

First Erdogan just pulled out an "Reichstagbrand" like Hitler did to gain full controll.

Second It was a real coup but turkish people are to stupid

Third There is still a coup going on but no one knows.

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>wouldn't this loose any kind of sovereignty of the putschists and any possibility of support in the future?
general opinion, as long as they are not starving and what not, always wants to be on the winning side - there would be some resistance sure, but with enough propaganda and time you can build stable support

that's basically what soviets did - communism is no more only because it's leaders dun goofed and it went bankrupt plus as a result people started starving

bonus: mb you didn't know but communism in eastern europe was never overthrown - soviet leaders made a deal with US and transferred former soviet satellites, like Poland, into american orbit

but ruling elites stayed mostly the same up until now - that's why the west is so butthurt atm, Kaczyński is kicking out ppl loyal to them and moving up his own folks

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Look at the environment the we (Alt-Right types) have risen from. In the US and elsewhere, spineless, mediocre, politicians who refuse to fight against our foreign and Leftist enemies have created a segment of people who are just waiting for the moment to initiate violence against aforementioned enemies. Non-violence, tolerance or whatever, has done nothing to allay the sentiments of violence held by us, but has only exacerbated them, because it makes it so that violence is the only alternative. Humans naturally will seek alternatives to violence when possible, mediocrity denies these alternatives a tells men to take the raping like a good boy.

>First Erdogan just pulled out an "Reichstagbrand" like Hitler did to gain full controll.
You do know that Hitler didn't burn the reichstag right? That's just a communist meme.

>Can someone tell me what exactly went wrong in the execution of the coup last night?
The army thought the Jihadists are human, and didn't immediately open fire on everyone in sight.

They tried to talk to the roaches, their frontline got overrun, then some decided to surrender to the police.

The police handed the soldiers over to ISIS then ISIS lynched them, now Queen roach is confirmed as the true leader of ISIS

burkas everywhere in like 2 years

Ur right. Being the winner is the first thing you have to go for.
Actually didnt know about that communist influence is still such a huge thing in eastern europe. Thanks for the infos m8

This. And if you plot an assassination you MAKE SURE that the person is dead.

Metaphor

In Germany you learn every single shit about WW2 like everything.

This. Revolutions are spectator sports.

>Actually didnt know about that communist influence is still such a huge thing in eastern europe.
let me give you an example - 3rd Rzeczpospolita had 6 presidents in total, out of those 6 only the 4th and 6th (current) weren't commies or commie agents

very first president of 3rd Rzeczpospolita was a commie leader of People's Republic of Poland who had polish blood on his hands

in our judiciary system event today you can find judges who were sending polish patriots to jail prior to '89 and our country is still paying commie secret service officers pensions that go up to 20k PLN a month

current head of our constitutional trubunal was an important figure in communist party

most if not all the butthurt coming from the west and aimed at pic related is a result of ongoing struggle to purge public institutions

It's their country. Not our business so long as they don't fuck with us.

>inb4 Mossad false flag drags US to intervene in Turkey.

Are you sure?
Checkout insider-bro: archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/80650313/#80650313

Turkey recently made peace with Russia and restored relations, and continued on the Russian South Stream project.

Germany also accepted the Nord Stream no 2, and look what the fuck happened to that country.

US is making it clear, anyone who cooperates in trade with Russia is going down.

Fucking fighter jets bombing in the capital, how can you guys downplay this event?
It might be a false flag who knows.

>start coup in turkey
>all of a sudden "rebels" emerge
>turkey now at war
>ISIS advances
>Migrants flee to Cuckmany

>Germany can't send them back because of their new treaty agreements with the EU
>other countries possibly flooded


The whole thing is fucking fake.

First of all Erdogan is democraticly elected, he represents the will of % of people in turkey, bei 51% of 100% it does not matter.
Second coup is illegal and there are no justification for it unless president/dictator/king is proven tyrant.
Third Military was not secular, they were Gulanists even more radical islamist group who claimed to be secular in order to gain Kemasilst guport.
Also Leader of coup Gulan is residing in the USA so this is nothing elese than CIA backed coup. Reason? Kurdistan and Russia... Open your eyes.

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Because the coup had no support from the populace. Erdogan told the people to go on the streets via a freakin iPhone, and they did it and overwhelmed the army, which had to resort to shooting and driving them over.

Funny as hell as he have some support from more nationalistic Old Guards.
PO vs PiS was just old internationalist vs nationalist fight.

Former Party is mostly opportunistic and just go for bigger profit. That is why it switched so easily from Moscov to EU.
EU just guarantee them profits from donations and free hand in pillaging Poland for serving EU interest.

>so this is nothing elese than CIA backed coup
If the CIA know one thing it is how to coup. This was amatuerish and almost definitely not their work.

So it was failed start as they have been pushed by Endrogan to go in flash or just get arrested?

They still could be used by CIA but with intention to fail.
Or maybe there is some infighting inside of Agency and when CIA support it some of their elements sabotage it.
Its like in USA where Old Guards support Trump vs Hillary New Agency.

>what was the Bay of Pigs invasion

>1. An invasion, not a coup
>2. Something that happened fifty years ago

Especially if you only have limited resources, you need to get your priorities straight:
Decapitation of the government. As many public figures need to be under your control or being eliminated, so they can't be leaders of resistance/opposition.
Media control or, if not possible, elimination. Yesterday, after having their statement read on TV, they should've disabled the TV station and proceeded to do the same to other media outlets. Remaining leaders of opposition need to be unable to address the public and put out contrary narratives or calls for action.
Social media blackout, since control is virtually impossible. Can be extended to mobile phone services, if possible. Opposition needs to be denied any means of coordination of resistance.

What those fools did instead was going for prestigious but ultimately much less importent objectives, like taking a bridge and an airport and putting two or three tanks on a public square. All the while the president (who was still on the move) was able to contact the state media (which was still broadcasting) and address the population, who was able to coordinate through social media and mobile communication. The government's narrative spread like wildfire and turned out to be true.
To completely disregard decapitation and media control, they would've needed such massive backing and military might that any resistance was pointless from the start, as they would easily control anything they wanted.