There are actually people who think this is the reasons interested city Schools are shit

>there are actually people who think this is the reasons interested city Schools are shit

I'm a physics teacher in my state and I can assure you it is because kids who come from bad neighborhoods are fucking shit heads. Anyone who is good at teaching or holds a rare certification would rather teach in an area where the kids are going to behave. The number 1 reason teachers quit teaching is because the kids are shit heads and that is why minority teachers have a much higher attrition rate than normal teachers, school of mostly black kids will hire a black teacher because they think he will be more relatable to the students, the students will act like fucking cock suckers constantly so they quit. Minority teachers who teach at majority white schools don't quit at a higher rate than white teachers.
And a lot of city Schools have fucking retarded policies. I remember 3 years ago talking to a super intendent and his school would cap your pay if you didn't get an ms within 3 years. Also they wouldn't pay for you to get the ms, until after your 4th year because everyone they hired saw that policy, said fuck this shit, and left for another school before their third year


The problem with underpreforming American schools is that they don't treat their teachers well enough and the parents aren't involved enough with their kids to make sure the kids aren't shit heads

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funding via property tax is one of the best possible ideas on earth

instead of taking money out of the economy used for producing goods and services you take money out of non productive capital (property)

This is classical economics 101. Raising taxes on sales or income would completely fuck over your neighborhood even more.

>The problem with underpreforming American schools is that they don't treat their teachers well enough

No it's because it's full of niggers/spics

white kids get fine test scores

why should anyone care about niggers doing badly

They "always" do badly on average with only a few "smart" ones compared to whites just like there are far more good black basketball players than white ones.

bell curve 101.

Don't treat teachers well enough included niggers acting like the lead poisoned morons niggers are.

IMO if my niggers had dads who made sure their sons didn't behave like apes at school then there would be a significantly smaller achievement gap

Niggers have literally no excuse. At no point could you be in an American capital city, or urban area (where all niggers live) where you could find your self more than 1-2 miles from a beautiful Library, built by the white man, that has the knowledge of the world at your disposal for free. Whites do NOT stop you from going to the free library, acting like a parent, and helping your child learn.

now look at what we have. Niggers are domestic terrorists who, in the span of a calender year, have destroyed parts of two cities (ferguson, Baltimore), indiscrimintely attack law officers and civilians, disrupt daily life and comerce in their cities in the name of felons and child molesters, and have rendered Chicago a warzone, with a murder rate to rival Fallujah Iraq,

That basically falls flat though in states like Florida where you school choice and can attend any school in the county. There are zones but you pick which schools in order from most to least. The best way to figure out on paper which schools are the worst is not by the grade (A+ etc.) but by it's tier for example tier one schools.

>kids who come from bad neighborhoods are fucking shit heads
they're probably shit heads because they come from a shit place

that said, there's literally no reason not to fund schools equally. they dont need to be buying kids laptops but some of these inner city schools don't even have stationery to spare

Tier one schools get the most government subsidies and in turn have the most socialist programs like teen pregnancy programs and other common entitlement programs single mothers and minorities use. The rest you need to figure out by open houses to see the racial makeup and test scores.

yeah they would act "better" sure

but they still wouldn't act great or anything at most they would cut down their nigging levels to pre-1960s rates

>he thinks wealth taxes are a good idea

Girls laughing or whatever

Thank you Great Society!

They bus blacks and illegals in to these better neighborhood schools on the daily. It's a giant pitfall for new parents that actually care about their offspring. Government schooling is a cancer.

If the rich kids get something, the niggers must too. Stop underestimating how impossible it is to please niggers, you COULD give them all laptops and retarded states DO in a lot of cases, it does not shoot up grades, it does not decrease bad behavior, just now all the niggers have mo free sheit from stupid ass whitey, dat devil. You really need to understand that this, like every issue related to blacks before this, is a nigger psyop to get better and more shit from guilty cuck whites

All intercity schools get laptops and ipads from from the state, county, or feds.

thats dumb as hell but then again, the US did bring us the magic of Common Core

>Government schooling is a cancer.
government-run schools work fine in literally every other country on earth

i don't know what's wrong with america that so many basic things of the rest of the world simply don't work for you. if america was a single person, I would not stop them from killing themselves, because sometimes you really do just have to admit when it's time to punch out

The American government is trying to dumb-down the populus in order to gain power, push their agendas, and make sure everyone is reliant on the government.

HA BULLSHIT!!! THEY BUSED NIGGERS INTO MY SCHOOL AND THEN THEY RUINED IT!!!!!

Really depends on the school. I'm willing to bet the top 10% of public school students are better than the top 10% of other countries. Consequently, the bottom 50% are at second to third world levels

also, money doesn't fix the problem

npri.org/publications/analysis-shows-little-to-no-correlation-between-education-spending-and-student-achievement

So as a teacher, do you have no practical way to avoid teaching in black-infested areas? Or are there simply not many jobs opening up?

>mfw no Canadians have ever been to the moon

I showed my class the >reddit thread where they had the video where space x launched a satellite and then mannaged to land the rocket so they could used it again. All the workers at space x started chanting USA USA USA USA. On the >reddit page there was comment after comment of anal pained euro bitching about how the USA chant made them feel uncomfortable, how space x is a private company and thus they shouldn't should USA USA, and finally about how space is for all of humanity so they should shout something more "inclusive"

I showed my students that thread and told them, the reason why we have physics class is so one day one of them will do something that makes people stand up and chant USA USA and in doing so it will make faggots like you extremely butt hurt

>marylander in a rich white area
>kids in inner city baltimore get more money per student than my school

>IMO if my niggers had dads who made sure their sons didn't behave like apes at school then there would be a significantly smaller achievement gap
So you support the removal of the welfare state then?

Depends. If you teach useless shit like English or history, get ready to teach in a nigger school unless you know a guy.


I'm a physics teacher so the whole country has a huge fucking problem because there aren't enough physics teachers and thus I was able to pick which school I wanted to go to

>he thinks taxing production is a good idea

fucking neolibs

Yup

I don't buy that. The US government is too incompetent and its agencies too competitive with eachother to engage in conspiracies like that.

>chimping out this hard
have YOU been to the moon, yankee? what part of the moon landing is your achievement?

This is where I start sounding like a tinfoil, but - could it not be that that's what they want us to think? I'm no American, but what little I hear from over there sounds almost too completely catastrophic to be mere coincidence.

Depends on the subject. For math, science etc. you'll find a job easily in quintessential suburbia. For art, English, history etc., get ready to work at a school that makes you go through metal detectors

>government-run schools work fine in literally every other country on earth

Looks like the indoctrination worked on you.

Good
Also the amount of funding a school gets has no correlation to how well the students do in their learning.
The issue we have today is "the dance of the lemons" where bad teachers cannot be rightfully fired and as such they end up in schools in districts without much political pull.

So I'd assume you're against the existence of teachers unions as well?

This is the exact level of butt frustration that I expect

American exceptionalism gunna give it to ya

>what part of the moon landing is your achievement?

Being American by birth and a patriot by choice.

i already suggested several times that interrupting your teacher should be penalized.

what do you say guys, make a petition?

I would be against teachers unions, but they benefit me so I am for them.

>could it not be that that's what they want us to think?
Doubtful, since they comport themselves as competent and the world's police and shit, but then every few years a new book comes out that's just a thousand pages of "well, the CIA tried to do a thing some time a decade ago, fucked it up, and that's why we;re on the cusp of WWIII yet again today. also the FBI burned down another ranch at some point"

>interrupting your teacher should be penalized.
is it not the case already in the US? holy shit

Muh science bro. Feels good being in high demand. Didnt fall for the "We'll pay your debts meme of inner city schools". Heard far too many horror stories from my professors in college. The only thing I can complain about in this profession is the awkward moments when underage girls flirt with you. But that's why you always have a second student in the room.

It all goes into a slush fund now to be distributed equally.

This argument is bullshit.

Local property taxes for local schools.

Jesus Christ, it is all divied up through the state on a needs basis anyways. All schools get to keep are direct donations and a tiny fraction of the tax.


Most is assigned through state (and recently) federal funding.

So you're a selfish prick who'd rather all the students in this nation suffer so you and or all the unqualified teachers can have inflated wages.
You're part of the problem then

m.youtube.com/watch?v=y6hpWjWtZ8s

It depends on school to school.


When I was in a white high school for 9th and 10th grade, teachers singled out troublemakers and sent punished them.

When I was in a black school after moving, everybody would be considered a troublemaker so teachers let stuff like talking and interrupting slide. Otherwise they would have to punish entire classes.

Only big shit like fighting and drugs were ever punished.

>Most is assigned through state (and recently) federal funding.
The department of education needs to desperately be axed.
Nit only is it entirely unconstitutional but it has only harmed our education system making it grossly more expensive and making all schooling thralls to unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

Most teachers in this country are spoiled children. They get decent pay, benefits, retirement. How many other occupations do you know of that gets almost 4 months of paid vacation per year? By vacation I mean the summer break, holidays, etc. All paid. Yet teachers still find something to complain about.

The teaching unions in this country are corrupt as fuck.

Quit being a commie. He's not teaching out of the kindness of his heart, he is doing it in exchange for money. If you had the option of getting more money for the same work, are you telling me you wouldn't take it?

>decide to be teacher
>can't handle bad students

>Teachers unions
>Bad
Eat shit. We get fucked left and right from both parties and get zero respect unlike our European counterparts. I assure you if the school boards had their way we'd be paid pennies. Unions exist for a reason. I should know, I worked three ununionized jobs before that fucked me over hardcore. Know your history and why we have them in this country. Sure they protect some bad teachers and I'd argue tenure should be done away with but outside that you're wrong.

Well, I was lucky and have no student debt. Plus you end up making out better with the nicer schools because they give you tuition reimbursement upon hire and city Schools do it on tenure


Yup. Cash rules everything around me, get the money

Not to mention that the department of education steals hundreds of billions of dollars a year and marks it as "profit" which is 5 times the cost of the f35 program per year.

DoE is believe us the thrid most profitable organization in the nation but you don't hear the "muh 1%" socialist retards complaining about that

Never going to happen
>DoE is in desperate need of sweeping reforms
>YOU DONT SUPPORT EDUCATION? HOW DARE YOU? THE CHILDREN!!!!

>He's not teaching out of the kindness of his heart, he is doing it in exchange for money.
Public unions are entirely against this.
They make it legally damn near impossible to fire bad workers and force wages significantly higer than what they're worth.
Everyone but the union itself suffers for it and unlike private unions these unions have the full force of the state behind them and are entirely a political system.
There is nothing capitalist regarding public unions

no, far as i can tell students are allowed to say and do whatever the fuck they want in the classroom

>That pic

That seriously fucking pissed me off.

The kid obviously did what the question asked.

HAHAHHAAHA YOU ABSOLUTE DUMB FUCK
What nigger tier logic, literally the epitome of "we wuz kings".

Most "American" scientists were poached from Germany after the war, it's the only reason you faggots have achieved anything. And now riding on their shoulders, you have set up an environment where other intellectuals are forced to go because you fuck up and destabilise any region that's doing well.

Over the cold war, it is generally agreed that the most brilliant mathematicians and physicists were in the USSR, with the best universities. But even they weren't allowed to thrive because USA needs its hegemony to avoid full collapse into the third world shit hole it deserves to be.

then don't let anyone show up unless he does what the teacher tells him to.

japan implemented this method and look at their classrooms

Think about it this way, let's say you're in a possition of power in a country full of vain retards. There are many things you can do to gain power, but why not start indoctrination earlier in the lives of your people (that bullshit sentence is the best I got right now, I guess I'm too tired to write a proper sentence). Hell, in America today, there are kids in highschool that don't even understand the basics of the free market and I can guarantee you they won't know where to start when they finish school.

No you eat shit.
Public unions are not the same a private unions and teachers already make nearly 50% over the average wage.
The only answer teachers unions have is "throw more money at us" which is throwing money on a fire.

Public unions are one of the worst things to happen to both education and police in this nation right behind Federal funding.
There is a reason charter and private schools have none of these issues that public schools have.

amazon.com/Worm-Apple-Destroying-American-Education/dp/0060096624

It's fake Jim. Not everything written in red is a teacher. It was made for online propaganda to bash Common Core (not saying common core is good by any means and I fucking hate the democrats forced it on us). My wife teaches that grade level and I assure you no one would ever grade like that.

>Yup. Cash rules everything around me, get the money
Then why'd you make this thread if you don't give a shit about education over your own greed?

it's literally a conspiracy

youtube.com/watch?v=Jcz9Eune7BY

>you have set up an environment where other intellectuals are forced to go because you fuck up and destabilise any region that's doing well.

So in other words, we are smart.

>no one would ever grade like that

Bullshit. Most teachers can't be arsed to think about shit at all. If it isn't exactly like the answers booklet shows, they mark it wrong.

I know this because I've dealt with that kind of bullshit before.

>Asked to draw a square decimeter
>Draw 10x10cm square
>Get marked wrong. The answers booklet showed 2x5cm rectangle

I ended up arguing for 30 minutes with the teacher about how the answer sheet was wrong, ended up arguing with the principal of the school who called my parents over, only for them to chew out both the principal and the teacher for being dunces.

And once again my point about eternal butthurt is proven

>Complains about America stealing German scientist
>Russia took 50% more German scientist than America

>50% more compensation than they should

I don't see your point for why I should be against an entity that is getting me a lot more money

Okay you right wing nut job calm down. Which teacher gave you an F in high school economics? Look at Michigan if you think high wages aren't important to keeping teachers. They got fucked hard on their contract and all of them left. They are currently experiencing the worst shortage in the country because of that. Teachers aren't machines. We need to make a living and people like you blame us for your little dindu getting bad grades, so you cut out salaries, again. Oh and here's more state testing, oh and we can get paid based on test scores even if we get a class of troublemaking shits, oh and we're hated for "being overpaid baby sitters". We get shit thrown at us left and right and you want us to make pennies. I'm glad we essentially have the power of the state behind us because we need it to deal with tards like you.

The US creates a brain drain in the world and has a nation of dummies at home.

youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

That's a problem inherent in publicly funded anything, and the solution is quite simple.

>I don't see your point for why I should be against an entity that is getting me a lot more money
That is the point.
It is the epitome of corruption.

When the US breaks up its performances by race that is the biggest load of lies, damn lies and statistics. Its incredibly racist as it throws certain groups under a bus and its misleading about the performance of the groups that do perform well.

Of course you have better results when all the poor are discounted. If we did that too our scores would shoot up.

>Oh no your country are all white. That means they are all in the exact same socioeconomic group.

Title I ensures that schools located in poor neighborhoods receive huge amounts of federal funds to make up for shortfalls in property tax funding. This person's argument is retarded.

Marriage now is just about if you have extra cash lying around to pay for a ceremony because the state puts all the financial obligations on you regardless.

Incredible how virtually every graph like this goes to shit in the very late 1960s. Every single time. It's the true divide between the current cuckholdry and previous time. Someone form 1960 would probably feel more connection to 1760 than to our time.

>the government want dumb people
they want docile, not dumb.

they don't care if the information they teach is practical, they just want to shove as much shit so it defeats the purpose of being educated.

If I wasn't getting paid, why would I go into teaching? Why do you think there aren't any teachers in Hawaii? Because they don't pay them shit and have such a high cost of living they have a massive shortage.

There is already a shortage on physics teachers, if I was getting a better deal from the private sector wouldn't this shortage be worse?

literally nothing stops them from improving their conditions so they can pay higher taxes for better schools

...

Again these issues don't exist in private and charter schools which shows your empty rhetoric wrong.
> I'm glad we essentially have the power of the state behind us because we need it to deal with tards like you.
Tell that to the millions of children who's lives have been wasted due to bad teachers who deserved to be fired but cannot be and instead are shifted to schools where education is the only means for the kids attending to make it in life.
It is litteraly a teachers job to handle little shits and educate them if a teacher is unable to do so they should lose their job.
It'd be like unable to fire a welder who's only job is to spot weld and has no ability to turn on the damn welding torch.

You can joint file taxes.

>IMO if my niggers had dads who made sure their sons didn't behave like apes at school then there would be a significantly smaller achievement gap

My girl friend is a high school teacher and she has noticed this. The two highest achievers are two black siblings. Their parents make them study and punish them for misbehaving.

Lol not in Ireland anymore.

Actually, inner-city schools in the USA often spend more per student than anywhere else.

Really, it's a problem of lazy and corrupt black teachers and administrators. They all pay themselves way too much for too little work, with minimal accountability. Really "sticking it" to the white man.

Yeah, we call that shit battle pay and only a retard would look at that higher pay and decid it is worth teaching to those assholes rather than get paid slightly less and have a comfy job

>If I wasn't getting paid, why would I go into teaching
It isn't about you being paid it is about you being paid significantly over what you're worth using public funds.
> There is already a shortage on physics teachers, if I was getting a better deal from the private sector wouldn't this shortage be worse?
Gee it's almost like if public schools can't compete they shouldn't be subsidized by taxpayers to fail.
When a private school does bad it goes out of business and is replaced through bankruptcy with people who restructure and attmept to improve it.
When a public school and it's teachers fail they demand and receive more and more money ad infinitum.

Performance of students in school is entirely due to social pressure. From parents and from their peers. Its not about how much money is spent per pupil.

I had a roof over my head and books and so did the "bad" school down the road. We read our books.

if you could buy smarter kids, china wouldn't be so far ahead of us

You would just be creating a system where there is a shortage of teachers because you want to kill our compensation and tie our pay and job security to the performance of little shits.

Why the fuck would anyone want that job?

youtube.com/watch?v=4Xr4KC251pU

Problem with that is there would nobody in shit-tier public schools then because the people who are troublemakers don't care about school anyway

>not allowed to handle bad students

fixed it

Ironically in new York city Baltimore and Washington DC there were all back schools who provided very good education to it's students in the 30s and 40s because that was back when teachers had fucking balls.
>You can litteraly throw endless sums of money make no difference and it's still justified because "I don't want to do my job when it doesn't go smoothly"

If people aren't compensated, talented people won't do the job.

What you are suggesting would cause all stem teachers to say fuck this, we out. And then you would have failing schools and no way to teach stem

China is no where near ahead of you. Particular cities, where wealth is ultra concentrated, does not represent the Chinese average.

Basically, niggers raise horrible nigger children that don't care about school. This isn't really news. It is sad though, all teachers go through so much schooling only to be shit on by the children, parents, and the district. I find it hard to believe we can keep scamming people into becoming teachers. I went to the number 1 school in my city and it was still filled with hooligans making it hard for the professors. The only way to avoid them was honors and AP classes.

>You would just be creating a system where there is a shortage of teachers because you want to kill our compensation and tie our pay and job security to the performance of little shits.
Tell me about that massive shortage of teachers in private and charter schools.

>because the people who are troublemakers don't care about school anyway

then why invest in them? school should be a privilege not an obligation

>unions
>a good thing
pick one

You do know you can't do shit in terms of disciplining students right? All that shit from the 40s is illegal.

Why would I want to do a job that doesn't go smoothly? I took up teaching because a private sector lab wanted me to work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, and I told them to go fuck themselves.