The universe is unimaginably huge...

The universe is unimaginably huge. It's estimated that there are approximately 100 billion galaxies in the known universe, and there are approximately 100 billion stars per galaxy. We've surveyed only a small portion of our own galaxy and already we have discovered numerous stars which possess planets that have the potential to hold life.

Even if life is relatively rare, if merely one planet per galaxy holds life, it still suggests the existence of billions of planets in the universe with life on them. I cannot imagine a universe in which we are the only life that exists. I have no doubt in my mind that life exists somewhere else out there.

However, how rare do you believe intelligent life is? Are there perhaps successive hurdles towards the development of intelligent life that make intelligent life extremely rare? If it is out there, why haven't we found any signs of it yet? Are we perhaps looking for the wrong signs? We search for radio signals, but is it possible that other intelligent organisms wouldn't necessary use light as a communication method? On that note, just what kind of diversity might we see in the universe? Considering the tremendous amount of biological diversity just on our own planet, it boggles the mind what kind of lifeforms we could potentially find out there.

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We’re in a simulation

>my only intelligent grasp on reality is based on knowledge of computers and influenced by meme public figures
Baaaah Bahh Bahhhhh

we are in a hologram though. fake simulated world. a prison. we are farmed by archons.

While I don't agree with him that we live in a simulation, I think we most likely live in a reality that is based around information.

This is why I subscribe to the notion of digital physics - the universe behaves systematically, similar to that of a computer. In this sense, it'd be accurate to say that the universe is LIKE a computer simulation, but not actually one.

My best guess is that the initial parameters which set the basis for the various physical constants of the universe determine precisely how the universe unfolds in a deterministic manner - hence the universe is a deterministic state machine.

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it's the truth wether you like it or not

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Where's your evidence for such an assertion?

you couldnt take it

In other words: my argument is baseless speculation.

Look, don't get me wrong, I think simulation theory is plausible, but there's simply no way to verify such an idea. It's an interesting though experiment, but pending the appearance of some kind of physical evidence, I just don't see any reason to make the assumption that we live in a simulation.

> " The universe is unimaginably huge " ;
You may think so, but let me tell you:
I've been to Australia, and I assure you that THAT is further than anyone in their right mind would ever want to contemplate going.

What if you were born in Australia?

the fact we are in a hologram is not a theory

Then fucking prove it you dipshit.

: nice dubs
> " What if you were born in Australia? " ;
I would have an heroed by now.

The universe may be enormous but time is the great equalizer. Given enough time, even a space as large as our universe can be totally explored.

I'd like to hope so, but I don't have much confidence that humanity can survive the coming climate apocalypse. The necessary changes that need to happen aren't, and if we don't act soon, eventually our ecosystem will collapse and with it our agricultural supply chain.

We're going to starve to death in the next couple of decades if we don't do something soon.

I'm a drunk.

This is not true because the universe is expanding. And the expansion itself is increasing in speed as time goes on and entropy continues, by the time we would be able to even get that far, it would be moving away from us faster than the speed of light

Whatever can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Faggot.

Even if we could travel at the speed of light, it would still take us a tremendous amount of time just to traverse a small portion of our own galaxy.

The way I see it, the only way we could feasibly explore the universe is if we found a way to successfully create wormholes to connect vast regions of time and space, but given that we don't even know with certainty whether or not wormholes are real, this is a bit of a long shot.

Yeah it really is a long shot. Wormholes should be possible according to relativity and quantum mechanics, just obviously we haven't made one yet lol - iirc it would take around the entire energy produced by our son to be harnessed in order to create one, and I imagine it's probably a dangerous experiment, we might end up putting a rip in the universe

If we created wormholes , we wouldn't be able to explore everything in between going from one to another

Yeah, again what is benefit of making contact with us? Imagine that there is intelligent life somewhere and they are extremely intelligent, what would they accomplish by contacting us? Except for small amout of educated people we are basically trash.

>faggot

If there exists intelligent life in the universe, I imagine it is sparse. Why wouldn't they be eager to contact other intelligent lifeforms? I'd imagine that if they went through the trouble of establishing the means to, they'd look for intelligent life wherever possible.

What's more, they have no way to know exactly what we're like as a species until they've contacted us.

I'm a believer on the inside and a skeptic on the outside - If they do exist I guarantee they know we're here (and this is becoming more evident recently), but they're probably much more interested in our planet itself than they are of us. We aren't very interesting, we have big egos about being human but we're probably very primitive in the grand scale of things, even destructive and messy. We're raccoons to them.

But just like us, we like studying anything and everything we can, even things that seem boring, so if they found our planet to be interesting and habitable, of course they would stop by and take samples and study things occasionally, they just probably realize by now that we're violent and too dumb to wield the weapons we use, so it's not a smart idea to approach us

If there's a chance our galaxy lined up just the right way, and there's 100 billion more chances for that to happen, than yea, I'd say there is more intelligent life out there.

If , by luck, they were a mere million years ahead of us, we would extremely primitive to them, it would be hard enough going back two thousand years and explaining a computer to an ancient roman, imagine what it would be like to explain technology a thousand times more advanced to a scientist of today, if they know there's life here, we're probably just observed and helped a bit from time to time. We're to Fucken stupid for full contact.

>universe is like a simulation
Much more a simulation is like the universe. That's the definition of the simulation.

I'll dig into conspiration, there are reported "encounters" but here's my point of view on this:
>they found us
>Great another guys in this emptiness, let's take a look.
>hmmm they seem to be dominant specie
>they have great amount of resources why they keep progressing so slowly
>it seems that they have something called "money" that can be exchanged for almost anything
>great we have something similar
>they put almost all money into weapons, there must be some other specie they are defending against or they are trying to attack them? Let's keep observing more
>uhm okay they are using them against themselves, weird
>oh after that massacre they are searching for intelligent and educated "humans" must been only some kind of revolution
>what the actual fuck, they didn't even clean up the mess and are researching more weapons
>the educated guys seem to be at least respected
>what the fuck is football and why the fuck guy running after ball get payd 1000 times more than the intelligent ones?
Something like that, I don't think that we seem to be intelligent to them, just try to notice behavior of people, what they do in free time, how they react...

Your answer lies partly in what you've noted, the sheer size of the universe. Saying each Galaxy has only a few civilizations each is likely a very low ball number.

Here's my view of it: If you could see the Electromagnetic transmissions of intelligent life while seeing the whole milky way galaxy, it would appear as many bubbles expanding out from their source civilizations.. Now here's the part that has me very concerned and I bet bothered Enrico Fermi: The bubbles must be mostly to nearly all hollow, meaning they all stop transmitting at some point. I would be flat out terrified to find out that all those EM bubbles shells are only around 150 to 200 light years thick.. That would mean within a century or two of becoming advanced enough to transmit, most to all civilizations perish. My suspicion is that the last inner part of those shells if watched would all be the same.. All of them panicked news reports of a conflict getting out of hand, the last transmissions warning to take shelter from nuclear attack.

The EM shells being hollow strongly indicates my Destruction theory, not receiving anything strongly indicates the bubbles are hollow and would explain why you don't receive anything, your chances of being in another civilizations EM shell is literally astronomically low.

The only other possibility is that after a certain technology level, EM transmissions are outdated and abandoned.. I find that latter possibility depressingly unlikely.

There's no way to verify any idea about it, so what's the point of calling out any one idea? It's all speculation.

I'm an alien . We have watched you for centuries. We let the Inquisition slide, the first and second world wars also. Humans will be humans and all. We where about to make first contact and bring you into enlightenment until Caitlin Jenner. You fags are on your own now.

Here's the thing: I could solidly prove or disprove our efforts to be civilized.

If no matter what we do there's no hope, we might as well quit making ourselves so miserable with this painful construct of being "civilised" and get back to grunting, fucking, killing and absolutely not giving a fuck.

If we're dead anyways we might as well just focus on enjoying what we got. Both material and temporal.

Simulation theory is bunk for paranoid edgelords. The biological limitations of our own sensory perception makes the universe imperceptible right now. That's all and nothing more. Don't ever expect to "get it", you won't.

>you couldnt take it
Translation: You don't have it.

Not only that but you're a drunk in an unimaginably huge universe.

Efforts to be civilized are tangible relative to the broader topic at hand. If this is a simulation it wouldn't manifest itself necessarily. If it did, it would likely be a fault in the system, and even then if a person witnessed it in some way, they wouldn't have enough information to prove any theory they might form based on what they perceived (assuming the fault would likely only last for a fraction of a second, it obviously would be a refined system as to not reveal itself).

I'm also going to point out that if you dismiss it simply because it would imply that the human existence as you've experienced it has been a complete waste of "time" is a bias and doesn't allow for objective consideration. There's absolutely no way that you are going to get an answer to how your experience/existence would most efficiently be carried out, personally or otherwise, if you try to view it from a perspective that is outside your capability.

Four fundamental forces exist at this point in the Universe, where it is "cold and old." There used to be just the one or two (depending on whether or not gravity can be unified in), but now we have four.

The strong and weak nuclear forces are short range forces because their related virtual particles are not massless. So you cannot transmit using the strong or weak nuclear forces.

Gravity has an infinite range, but unfortunately it is incredibly paltry, forty orders of magnitude smaller than the power of the EM field. You would need to juggle black holes back and forth to push even a few "bits" worth of information over the course of years.

That leaves EM. So yeah, if they want to talk, they would be using radio. Then you start talking about frequencies and the SETI guys have already been over that decades ago.

This is not true. Stephen Hawking goes over this in one of his last books. The best explanation we have for the origin of the universe is the spontaneous creation of all matter and energy. If you were to add together all the matter and energy in the universe the sum would equal 0. If the universe was deterministic then we would live in a completely static universe and "something" could not come from "nothing". Yet something has come from nothing; therefore our universe is not static/deterministic.

Dude the whole universe IS life, we're just a cancer growing in it.

this

>a dangerous experiment, we might end up putting a rip in the universe
For all we know, that could be how our universe came into existance, some dumbasses in another universe failing their experiment

This
I wanna see proof

Cancer? I prefer the analogy of a parasite, thank you very much. Cancer is so disorganized and purposeless.

I don't think life on earth is advanced at all. It's only a few million years old, and I would say it's part of the Earth itself. Just like Saturn has a ring of gas around it, Earth has a thin layer of lifeforms on its surface made of organic carbon atoms that feed off the sun and each other. In the grand scheme of things, I find it very basic, not nearly intelligent enough to comprehend, understand, whatever the word is. To put it another way, life on earth IS earth.

It wouldn't surprise me if there is another lifeform staring us in the face, right in our neighboring planets. But we are incapable of perceiving them, seeing them, hearing them, or in anyway knowing how or why or if they exist, and how their intelligence manifests. We think with a biological human brain, which evolved to help us survive, not necessarily anything else. And it's dead-end idea to me to use this brain to seek life similar to earth-surface organisms elsewhere.

That's retarded. Life is the natural byproduct of the laws of the universe. To call life cancer is to literally say "the universe was a mistake"

This. I can confirm, you're all gay.

There is no proof for simulation theory. It appeals to half-paranoid conspiracy theorists because it's so simple and black & white. Which appeals to halfwits, which is also why it's so popular in the current year of our lord 2019 anno Domini.

I think either work in this case. Parasites and cancers both feed off a host until there is no host left. Parasite would probably work better though because a parasite can transfer from host to host. Obviously the comparison being human civilization migrating to a different host planet.

You don't know if it was a mistake or not, and even if you did, what difference would that make? It's greater than you.

I think you need to take a good long walk in the woods. The laws of the universe that form galaxies, stars, and planets, the very same laws that determine gravity and the atomic structure are the same laws that eventually lead to the emergence of life. Life is an emergent property of the basic laws of our universe. This is a fact. It is not a cancer or a parasite. It just is.

We don't want your charity enlightenment, we'll get there on our own in 30,000 years. GTFO space niggers.

Cancer is also an emergent property of the laws of the universe. It exists.

Right m8 - We're god dammned contagious!

Your loss hairless ape, we got killer Andromeda weed.

Yes but cancer is relative to a subjective perspective. The reason cancer sucks is because you think it sucks. Relative to the universe, any form of cancer "just is".

Nothing that exists can be unnnatural, we get it. So let's just move straight in to CP, cannibalism, genocide and cloning a half-chihuahua half-human war machine.

The universe is probably some colossal (from our perspective) life form. Everything that grows in it either supports it's existence or destroys it, we are destroyers, we consume until theres nothing but sand or ash or dust until whatever defenses the host body has destroys us. Then some new entropy thing evolves to start the process over if it can, I guess in a small way we might be a part of the system, but how escapes me.

>weed
Amateurs. We've been spying on you with DMT. We already know your dirty secrets you silly little elves.

First of all, it wasn't a big "bang", it was a big "stretch". A big expanding area full of "stuff" to be exact, originating at a single point.
75% Empty space (dark matter) - And something driving it too. Something forcing it to expand, for a very.... very long time.
25% Everything else (planets, you, me)
The funniest part is, the 25% everything else eventually disappears. The universe will spend the majority of its life completely empty, once stars are gone.

I agree with OP.
I don't believe in randomness. Things follow rules and those rules can be followed down to the smallest of details.
Whatever or whoever created this entire reality, if they really are on a completely different level to humans, surely must be possible of creating an experiment as detailed as arranging matter in the right ways to provide sought after results.
It's basically what scientists do already, just on a much smaller scale. We replicate things, prove things, get the results we want. How do we know this entire universe isn't the results something much smarter and bigger was after?

Also maybe stop and think we're like, cells, living on cells, living on cells, inside of something much bigger. Like a way, way bigger animal. Maybe we're the cells living on protons/neutrons inside of that animal?

Or maybe we're in a multiverse?

Or maybe who the fuck knows and not even 1 trillion human years matters in the scale of things and we're just little bacteria things and we're never going to know shit like this until AI gets created

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Anyone who says "we are too stupid for alien contact" is the REASON our civilisation is stupid
no. you are stupid.
we're not all stupid.

This man probably read my comment last night.
Good timing, hive mind soul.

The universe is very young. We might be the first space fairing species, and remember, we were on the verge of extinction for most of our existence. Intelligence is just one of the things necessary to build machines that can broadcast their presence into space. A lot has to come together for it to happen, simply surviving a harsh universe long enough to put to use everything necessary to become an industrial species seems a huge barrier to me.

Just because we're killers - which we probably are - doesn't mean we're necessarily bad in the moral ethical sense. What would you do without the killer immune system, or the killer white blood cell? We need those killers to keep ourselves healthy.

Billions and billions of galaxies

Billions and billions of hair follicles

The "big stretch" might just be an animal growing for all we fucking know and we just live somewhere inside of it

The "big stretch" could be anything from an alien experiment on a huge scale to us living inside of an alien donkey's dick
there's NO way to know until we develop something that can either travel outside of our "scale" or something that can travel fast enough to go elsewhere (faster than light speed?)

>CP, cannibalism, genocide and cloning a half-chihuahua half-human war machine.

That's right. All those things are morally bad or good based on subjective experience. I dislike the cancer analogy for life because life is not literally a cancer, it is an emergent property; like all those things you mentioned. Whats good and whats bad is up to you.

anything that doesn't achieve progress is just long haired chad in his basement ranting about what he thinks the universe is made of an believing he's a special snowflake

when are the bills due again?

Inevitable extinction. That's why we need to spread out across the galaxy user. Consciously or subconsciously, as humans we all know that humans are "willing to kill themselves for stupid reasons" crazy. We know we'll kill each other and ourselves off over stupid shit.
We've got to gtfo and spread around. Small pockets of humans all over is better than all of the eggs in one basket.

Not entirely true. Yes, humans typically think that cancer is bad, but that has nothing to do with what could be considered a cancer by definition. The earth as a planet doesn't have cognitive ability to have a subjective interpretation of cancer being bad at its scale. That doesn't mean that humans don't fit the definition of being a cancer, as in depleting the earth's resources and inevitably destroying the planet entirely because we have this thing called survival instinct. Do you think that we'd just submit to the boundaries of the planet's sustinence? No. You can rest assured that at some point in the future human civilization is going to hop to a new planet and start the process all over again.

The universe is a sasquatch.

Thats true, I honestly don't think humans will even know the truth about the universe or where it came from. But it's fun to try.

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And I need to add something to this conversation

Can someone please agree with me that "planets".... which are basically just floating balls of stuff rotating one another, right?
so planets....
are really similar to like, neutrons and electrons and shit
am I wrong? can anyone say there's something wrong with that? please lol

You're confusing two things here. Life is an emergent property of the universe. We call an out of control growth cancer because WE think that out of control growth is bad. IF the object cannot think, it has no moral perspective. The Earth does not have feelings. The only reason we care for this planet is because it sustains life. If there was no life it'd be no different than any other rock in space.

Start at the smallest thing we know
Atoms rotating atoms, right? or that plunck length shit whatever that shit is
then you go out further and its like, planets rotating planets,
then you go out further and its like galaxies rotating galaxies
what if you went out even further and it was universes rotating around other universes

Well that's kind of my point.
>And all that is now
>And all that is gone
>And all that's to come
>And everything under the sun is in tune
>But the sun is eclipsed by the moon
Nothing is immoral or unethical according to the universe. Fear, love, hate, they're all just apathetic biology.

>The Earth does not have feelings.
You don't know that, you don't even know if the planet has an unhuman type intelligence. Ever notice how the places in the world that cause the most harm to the planet get wrecked by natural disasters?

The universe doesn't bat an eye if you're tortured because being tortured is within the spectrum of what's possible in the universe. What's possible is what's allowable. There is no "law" unless a living organism fears for something and needs to make law surrounding that, no.

Ever notice how leaves react to music stimuli and might be intelligent on a scale not interpretable to us?

I'm not confusing anything, I gave you quite articulated information. This isn't about whether or not cancer is bad. This is about how life inherently fits a metaphorical definition of cancer.

Okay. Measure it. Measure it's intelligence.

>Ever notice how the places in the world that cause the most harm to the planet get wrecked by natural disasters?

No, actually, I've never noticed that even once. Considering you need to live in a stable environment to develop a powerful society, you would expect the most powerful countries on the planet to experience the most natural disasters. They don't. Because they were obviously built on the most stable and resource rich environments.

It's because humans are a growth on the planet, a fucking disease. It's like when we get sick and our body tries to flush it out, all those little cells are us crying about "natural disasters" hahahaha

Probably a retarded question, so if someone more intelligent than me could explain, why is there a stark contrast in the conventional belief people hold that "even if there are so many galaxies in the universe, other life is improbable" versus "pi is virtually infinite, so every possible sequence of numbers, no matter how improbable, is sequenced in the pattern somewhere"?

Are they not fundamentally the same idea?

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He said the most damaged environments on the planet, not the most powerful environments. People can be cleaner but also wealthier/more successful, they're still a fucking disease on the planet.

Why not? John Wheeler had a theory to explain why all electrons are identical. Every electron in the universe has exactly the same mass and exactly the same charge. According to him, it's possible the reason that every electron is the same is because every electron is the same electron - just bouncing backward and forward in time.

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You are confusing meaning of the word cancer. So basically; the meaning of cancer is literally: "growth + bad". Growth is not bad in itself. Cells dividing at a normal pace is very good and conductive to biological health. When cells divide at an EXCEEDED pace and do not die, we call this state bad, and we give it a specific name: "cancer". So "moral badness" is inexplicably tied to the word cancer. It's just in its definition.

You wouldn't call an embyro growing in a woman cancer. There are some crazy people who might; but the great majority 99% of people do not call it cancer, even though in function it is very similar. So the word cancer implies morally bad. This is why I say "life is just life". It is neither good nor bad; but dependent on your own subjective view.

Yes, once again that's my point. You'll get no argument from me on that one.

>every electron is the same is because every electron is the same electron - just bouncing backward and forward in time.
It wouldn't just be bouncing in time it would have to be existing simultaneously with itself in all those times as well.

who gives a shit, if we can't interact with them they may as well not exist

Other life form is very probable and almost guaranteed, but it's also guaranteed that no amount of science can help us even come close to comprehending their existence, let alone communicating with them.

I have a really good questions guys
But it's stonery and hard to understand

Could we recreate the Big Bang?
I mean if we "jammed" like all this mass and shit into a ball and made it expand the same way somehow, could we recreate something similar?
Or is that not possible because we couldn't create something detailed enough with the "scale" we have to work with? (smaller than what we are)

I mean
is life really that complex on a cellular level? that's the only Big Bang we'd be able to create, right?

If you really deeply think about it, that's basically what happens during diarrhea, on a smaller scale. The phrase "blow it out ya ass" comes to mind. Who knows? Maybe galaxies are formed in the toilet.

Life, "living things"
can only exist for 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% of time, in the scale of the birth -> the end of the universe (that we can see)

is life the REASON the universe exists? something created to be able to study it maybe?
or is life just a small byproduct of the universe existing, for a different reason?

Funny as how man children think about poo when their brains can't grasp anything hahahahaha
how old are you? how much of your life have you wasted papa

>However, how rare do you believe intelligent life is?

Could be plenty out there. But it's not going to matter, time and distance between all of everything will make it mostly impossible. Unless two planets exist in the same solar system and evolve intelligent life at the same time and are capable of communicating with each other, then it's likely two species between planets will never cross.

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Time and distance HAHAHAHA

>for a different reason?
Or just a pointless byproduct. But shit can be fun inside. YOLO!