Angel's Egg

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No

It's the most Oshii thing in existence. I like it but then again I like anything with people walking around in dark places spouting pretentious lines of dialogue and surreal symbolism everywhere.

Nah, it's shit. Symbolism is lowest form of artistic expression.

I really like slow paced movies with little of dialogue where the story is portrayed by image and soundtrack but at the same time I hate pretentious movies like Tree of Life.

you're digging your own grave stupid animefag

Sounds like you're a 16 year old who prefers films that beat you over the head with dialogue instead of having any interesting direction or atmosphere.

I have literally fallen asleep watching this. Slow is one thing, but slow and pretentious is snooze inducing.

The only thing more boring than this cartoon is people yelling at me what a plebe I am for not abiding boredom.

You want to be enlightened, pick up a gun and go live in the foods for a few years or something. Passively watching shit other people made cannot be enlightening. Unless you're a 20-something dipshit of course.

How can you watch something with no dialogue?

How can you watch something with dialogue?

I agree. This was the best DLC since AotA.

Is it worth watching? Note I am not asking if it is good or bad, I just want to know if it was made well enough to devote however long the movie is to watch it.

It is 1hour and 5 minutes long movie. Even if you won't like you won't loose too much time. Also I think that in first 10 minutes you should know if it suits your taste.

Yes, it's worth staring at for an hour. Just don't expect to get much out of it.

This might help you interpret movie if someone needs it.
eigageijutsu.blogspot.com/2010/04/angels-egg-simbolism.html?m=1

Texhnolyze is better.

It is really good but it's animated tv series not a movie.

I'm watching this right now. I feel like this movie really wants to be the Stargate sequence from 2001.

>Passively watching shit other people made cannot be enlightening.
Of course it can't directly enlighten you but it inspires the enlightening afterwards.
>20-something dipshit
>18 year old pretending he's a """mature""" old man
Spare us your own pretension.

Hilarious too since the director that inspired this director said the same thing
Japs are so silly

Then think of Texh as an 8 hour long movie.

>Symbolism is lowest form of artistic expression.
What? Why do you think this? I agree.

Have you seen Belladonna of Sadness?
There's a lot of good animated films out there.

It does but with exception that literally every image is allegory to christian symbolism.

>I never create allegories. I create my own world. That world does not signify anything unusual. It just exists, it has no other meaning. I think symbol and allegory rob the artist. Creator brings up images which express, reveal life the way it is. They are not Aesop's fables. This manner of working would be too primitive not only for the contemporary art but for art of any era. Artistic image possesses an infinity of meanings just like life carries an infinity of meanings. An image changed into a symbol cannot be analysed. When I create my images I use no symbolism of any kind. I want to create an image, not a symbol. That's why I don't believe in interpretations of supposed meanings of my pictures. I'm not interested in narrow political or social issues. I want to create images that would touch the viewer's soul to some degree. That's why in my films I tell precisely those stories and not the others.
>It makes no difference to me how the public receives and interprets my films. I make films in such a way as to create certain spiritual state in the viewer. As a result he cannot remain unchanged after watching the film. But what the viewer thinks about my film's style is unimportant to me. Viewers search for meanings as if this was some sort of a charade. I know of no work of art whose meaning would be clear to the degree demanded by some. When they listen to music, read a novel or watch a play they frequently encounter fragments they don't understand. It's a normal state of the relationship toward a work of art. But when they go to the cinema — they demand complete clarity, total understanding. I am against discrimination in art. Clarity is not most important. The world created by an artist is as complex as the world that surrounds him.
As said by based Tarkovsky

>When I create my images I use no symbolism of any kind. I want to create an image, not a symbol.
>It makes no difference to me how the public receives and interprets my films.

I wonder if he knows that every single symbol can be interpreted differently.

>Hilarious too since the director that inspired this director
who?

A symbol is meant to represent a single idea. Do you advance when you see a red octagon?

From his book Sculpting in Time:
>Film mise en scene, as we know, means the disposition and movement of selected objects in relation to the area of the frame. What purpose does it serve? Nine times out of ten you'll be told that it serves to express the meaning of what is happening; and that is all. But to set that as the limit of mise en scene is to start along a path that leads only one way: towards abstraction. In the final scene of 'Give Anna Giacceia a Husband' de Santis puts his hero and heroine on either side of a metal gate. The gate clearly states: now the couple are split up, they'll never be happy, contact is impossible. And so a specific, individual, unique event is turned into something utterly banal because it has been forced to take on a trivial form. The spectator immediately knocks his head against the 'ceiling' of the director's so-called thought. The trouble is that lots of audiences enjoy such knocks, they make them feel safe: not only is it 'exciting' but the idea is clear and there's no need to strain the brain or the eye, there's no need to see anything specific in what is happening. And on that sort of diet the audience starts to degenerate. Yet similar gates, fences, hedges have been repeated many a time in many a film and always mean the same thing.

>A symbol is meant to represent a single idea.
This is you opinion.
>a word, phrase, image, or the like having a complex of associated meanings and perceived as having inherent value separable from that which is symbolized, as being part of that which is symbolized, and as performing its normal function of standing for or representing that which is symbolized: usually conceived as deriving its meaning chiefly from the structure in which it appears, and generally distinguished from a sign.

It's bad. First third has some good wallpapers and sequences, but it gets old fast. There's no meaning or consistency in this. It's just a director throwing concepts and neat ideas and then it's over. I'm not exaggerating - he said it himself that he didn't intend for a meaning and that everyone needs to find it.
He also said it expressed his feelings of disillusionment with Christian faith. So we've got a bunch of symbols without meaning and a fedora creator. No, thanks.

It's a waste of an hour. Turn off after 15 minute mark and you won't lose anything.

Those associated meanings are still limited though, or it would cease to be a symbol. That's the point that Tarkvosky was trying to make.

Look at every word your just typed and copy/pasted. Made up of symbols, which when put together into words create other symbols which have a singular meaning. Sure some words have multiple meanings dependent on the context but the words as symbols have a limit. It can't mean an infinite number of things.

didn't he said something like it is not symbolism but randomness

Maybe I'm tired because I can barely understand what he's saying here.
I kind of agree with him, but allegory can be cool like Zootopia or Coonskin, especially Coonskin.

So he just welcomes pretentious over thinking of his piece? Got it.

That's the opposite of what he's saying. Nice reading comprehension.

>He also said it expressed his feelings of disillusionment with Christian faith.
Kill yourself nigger. This has always been a fan interpretation of Angel's Egg where people just looked at the contexts like what state of mind Oshii was in his life when he made the movie, what came before and after and theorized that this is what Oshii wanted. That's inherently false since Oshii has always said he doesn't know what the film is about.

>always been a fan interpretation
The man said it himself.

>Oshii has always said he doesn't know what the film is about
Which doesn't clash with his feelings of disillusionments being the driving force to make it depressing and fill with Christian symbols.

>Kill yourself nigger
Yes, do it.

The imagery of the fish shadows on the building walls is so great. But this is a super raw film, GitS was a lot more polished.

So what's the solution? What does he propose happen instead of there being a metal gate?

Why'd that faggot break her egg? she specifically asked him not to and he did it anyway

a fine dark soul, to you

I agree. Plot of Angel's Egg is entirely up to viewer.

>The man said it himself.
>no source
>but he really did say it himself, b-believe me

Just b urself

The truth.

It is all one big God's plan. He was tasked with a mission to break her egg. Don't cry about that one moment. Be happy for girl that she got her salvation. After all thanks to her there are now eggs with birds in them.

Oh great now Chris Stuckman is gonna claim that he made Angel Egg popular in the west 30 yrs after release.

that's not a fucking answer

In regards to that excerpt, he doesn't give a straight answer as to what he would do. I doubt he'd ever be in that position in the first place, but he goes on for like 6 pages delving deeper into the topic and other facets to give you an idea of what not to do and you can then refer to his own works to see how he does things. Essentially what he says comes down to

I can't figure if this is pretentious or anti-pretension, but for it to be anti-pretension you'd have to believe that all allegory and symbolism are pretentious.
Do you think all allegory and symbolism is pretentious? It is more often than not heavy handed.

>spouting pretentious lines of dialogue
what is it with anime and this shit?
it's either garbage exposition or some philosophical monologue that the writer refuses to believe doesn't belong
that and meaningless sexual scenes in an otherwise normal anime
i would probably actually watch anime if it wasn't for this

How can one man be so smart?

>that and meaningless sexual scenes in an otherwise normal anime
>hating fanservice
kill yourself

i just don't really get why would would want to watch softcore porn in the middle of a sci-fi thriller or whatever
and then there's the fact that one could watch live-action softcore porn anyway

Fanservice is for fun, no show with fanservice has any actual artistic merit.

bump this is the only good thread on the board

So 97% of all anime?

>t. someone who hasn't even seen 0.5% of all anime that exists

>not fantasia

fanservice really isn't that prevalent

>Yet similar gates, fences, hedges have been repeated many a time in many a film and always mean the same thing.

fucking savage

is this a berserk reference?

FANTASIA IS COMPLETE SHIT.

Most overrated Disney movie. Some of the clips were okay, but others were a chore to sit through.

i'm so triggered by this contrary opinion

> slow
but it hit me
in the FEELS

This is the only animated film that is absolute kino. Fuck off with your weeb bullshit.

And yet he randomly includes posters of his films in shots. What a hack.

Fanservice in sci-fi has been a mainstay since the pulp era, redditor.

This is the epitome of drawkino.

Feels allowed?

You're stupid.

I've heard "nihilism" thrown around when people talk about it, any truth to that? I like bleak anime shows.

I gotta see this.

>expect a silly fun movie
>get absolutely brilliant kino

i love it

It's absolute garbage just like every anime.
Weebs should just be rounded up and gassed.

I thought that this was The Peanuts Movie from the thumbnail, that had a few problems, but it was mostly great.

tentacle rape isn't the same thing as some buxom lass having her uniform torn, redditor

Not really. At a superficial glance it may seem like it but over time you see that it's pretty beautiful and life affirming even the end as bleak as it may seem.

Youtried/10
The last part of Texhnolyze definitely deals a lot with nihilism however I'd say the show takes a very common theme of forcing change like a lot of dystopian plots do but executes it in a way that leaves you stunned and confused in a good way. It's very emotionally powerful and the storytelling is some of the best in the medium, even if the general themes regarding evolution and augmentation are generally cliche at times compared to other sci Fi.
However it's 100% worth a watch but be warned that the first 5 episodes can feel kinda slow but once it gets past episode 4-5 it gets really good

Anybody know if this is streaming anywhere?

>he actually thinks anime has any artistic merit

>go live in the foods for a few years
Poetry

I actually think Song of the Sea was better, but both are pretty bloody good.

yes it's slow, slow as fuck, Solaris and stalker got nothing on this.

I am not going to pretend it's some masterpiece because it's not, but for what's it was, I enjoyed it for the visuals, the atmosphere and the strange world it built. I will not expect most to have the same experience.

oh this looks good, havent seen that.

Boring waste of time. Unless you like religious symbolism

bump

You can watch On the Silver Globe and have both!

watched it a long time ago and didn't get it
maybe I should watch it again

You'd have to have really bad taste to think the opposite.

Grow up you manchild.

bunmp it to me one more time

why do spics love anime so much

because all spics are weeaboos. nice dubs btw

>Voter #5: I only watch the ones that my kid wants to see, so I didn’t see [The] Boxtrolls but I saw Big Hero 6 and I saw [How to Train Your] Dragon [2]. We both connected to Big Hero 6 — I just found it to be more satisfying. The biggest snub for me was Chris Miller and Phil Lord not getting in for [The] Lego [Movie]. When a movie is that successful and culturally hits all the right chords and does that kind of box-office — for that movie not to be in over these two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things that nobody ever freakin’ saw [an apparent reference to the Japanese film The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, as well as the Irish film Song of the Sea]? That is my biggest bitch. Most people didn’t even know what they were
Vote:BH6

>I only watch the ones that my kid wants to see,
>two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things