Why do we allow them to live like gods? You do realize if we all stopped playing their game, they'd be fucked, right?

Why do we allow them to live like gods? You do realize if we all stopped playing their game, they'd be fucked, right?

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They're still players. The game's been going for much longer than you think, and there have been other players who got more value over their lifetimes.

Up the revolution, comrade.

Buffet lives in a house he bought in the 50's. And not a mansion, either. He goes to McDonalds from breakfast on the way to the office for God's sake.

How many times are you going to make this thread?

>allow
Do you believe you're entitled to anything different?

If he lives so cheaply, he should willingly pay more taxes, yet he doesn't. He knows he can pretend to be on our side, because he knows his taxes will never go up by more than five percent, because the American public are a bunch of cucks.

There should be an annual week of atonement, where the 1000 most wealthy on earth are listed. If they have failed to donate 50% of their earnings, they are fair game to murder, but only that week.

Charities have completely failed to fill the hole left by lowered taxes on the wealthy. Most of the money donated to nearly every charity is spent on the charity itself, with their charity actions costing less than forty percent of those charity's overall income.

People are naturally selfish and desire to be at the top of the pyramid whether they admit it or not. Why would they want to be rid of a position they hope to one day occupy? It doesn't matter the probability of it happening as long as it's even remotely feasible.

Why would you want to live like a god while others live in squalor? How would you justify that?

Americans are too pussified to do anything about it. Class warfare is the only answer.
Yeah, but I can't start a revolution by myself.

Do you have any idea how much this man donates to charity? You are just being an ignorant, uneducated nigger

What are you entitled to?

See
consumerreports.org/charities/best-charities-for-your-donations/
And under the Tips for Giving headline
>Give directly. If you're contacted by a professional fundraiser for a charity you want to support, hang up and give directly instead. “The fundraiser might be keeping 75 to 90 percent of the money,” says Daniel Borochoff of CharityWatch. Sometimes, he says, charities may end up paying fundraisers more than they take in, leaving the group with a loss.
Charities don't fill the hole left by lower taxes on the wealthy.

Allow? The sheep doesn't allow the Lion to roam.

The excess capital of my labor. Why are you, or anyone else for that matter, entitled to the excess capital of my labor?

You're only a sheep if you act like one.

Buffet donated $3.6 Billion to five charities only a few months ago, as he does every year. I don't know what good OP sees in that money going into the pockets of corrupt politicians or just getting lost in the military-industrial complex.

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by that. Please elaborate. You don't want to pay taxes? But you want others to pay taxes?

>Why would you want to live like a god while others live in squalor?
You assume everyone cares about being equal with their fellow man. They honestly do not.

>How would you justify that?
Why do you think people have to justify an action before doing it? Does a cat justify itself to a screaming rodent before it devours it? No, it just does it.

OP sure is acting like one.

Let me tell you about the 90% tax bracket after world war II newfriend.

Buffett has stated repeatedly he thinks he should pay more taxes.

So why doesn't he, willingly?

He donates instead.

>refusing to show your stomach to lions, because every one that does gets eat, is the action of a sheep
Please explain

You're retarded class traitor scum.

See
Most charities spend the grand majority of what they receive on themselves, rather than their purported targets.

Not enough. The Forbes top 400 donated 0.4% of their wealth last year. Fuck all the way off.

Why are you entitled to the profits if you don't contribute to the expenses?
The guy paying for everything is the one who takes all the financial risk

??? Think hard ???

There is zero risk for a billionaire and especially a multi billionaire. They can lose 95% of their wealth and still be far richer than you.

Okay, so let's say I work in a factory making pencils. The entire business exists because of the labor of myself, and all of my fellow workers that make the pencils. It costs one cent for each component of the pencil: the eraser, the metal piece that holds the pencil and the eraser together, the wood of the pencil, the lead and the paint that finishes the deal. All together, the pencil is worth five cents, plus the value added by my labor. Individually, the pieces aren't worth more than a single cent, but due to the labor that I applied, it's worth more than five.
The profit is whatever is made off the top of the sale. So, if my boss charges a dollar for a pencil, the capital/profit is the ninety-five cents 'earned,' in the sale of the pencil. Why is my boss entitled to the excess costs of my labor, when it's my labor that allows his business to exist in the first place?

>not all charities
Don't you think Buffett does the research on charities he is considering like he does with his other investments?

>inb4
you dont know how capitalism works commie scum

He literally just described it.

All the butt hurt poor fags. get off your asses and earn somthing. Create somthing. Only person holding you back is you. You lazy worthless fucks.

If you work it you should control it

Please do some research into how charities work before making blind assertions like that. If Warren Buffet wanted to pay more taxes, he would do so willingly. If he wanted to give homes to the homeless, he would build shelters, or pay the rent for low income earners. If he wanted to feed people, he would fill food pantries with his own money and not blindly trust someone else to do it for him. Taxes directly go where they're supposed to, due to internal audits and being open to public scrutiny. If five percent of a state's revenue is stated to go to road repairs, then five percent of a state's revenue will go into road repairs.
tl;dr if Buffet actually wanted to pay higher taxes, because he knows the money would go directly to the sources he wants it to, he would do so, but he doesn't. It's all an act.

Exactly. The workers should own the means of production, not the landlords.

that's no help faggot
Well as I see it you have few options to achieve the situation that you're looking for because without the business owner/boss you'd have no job and you'd make nothing. So that's not an option.
A) Now you could find a new job working for a different boss but you'd have the same problem regardless of the industry you chose. That boss would take your profits.
B) You could choose to start your own company and BE the boss. But that won't work either because then you'd be a hypocrite. Taking the profits from your worker's labor wouldn't be fair to them and contrary to your own philosophy.
C) Demand that the boss makes nothing off your labor? The business would fail in very short order and you'd be out of a job and so would he.
What do you see as your option OP?

Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité ou la mort

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It's not butthurt poorfags. It's people who realize there's no reason for ridiculous wealth concentration. In the old days you would be going to bat for the king while you're farming dirt, talking about how if you work hard you can be king too!

I chose b, but am not a boss and make my employees owners after a probationary period and if the other "employees" concur. You assume everything must be hierarchical because it is all you know, just as the man in Platos cave believes the world is shadows

>without the business owner/boss you'd have no job and you'd make nothing.
Your premise is mistaken. The workers hold all the power, but we've been convinced through centuries of propaganda that we don't. The actual option is D. Unionize and form a work stoppage until the boss is willing to negotiate.

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There are number other options. You just aren't smart enough to look past your biases.

No, the only person holding us back are anti-union corporations, as proven by wage stagnation following the decline in unions.

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Liberty without socialism is injustice and privilege. Socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.

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This retard again...You know the board is 18+, right?

Exactly. Fucking tards don't recognize the difference between ten million and a hundred billion.

I think it's Norway that, simultaneously has the best social safety net in the world, while also having the most open government in the world.

Hahahahahaha

That always works. kek. Stop being lazy and entitled. Or don't, retards like you whining for things they didnt earn is hilarious

Also monopolists but it really goes hand in hand.

>If Warren Buffet wanted to pay more taxes, he would do so willingly.
Please do some research into how taxes work before making blind assertions like that. Believe it or not you owe what you owe according to tax law and that's it. Thinking you can adjust your documents to pay MORE is actually tax fraud. You can get fucked and your accountant can go to jail, so he's not going to do it for you. That's why extremely wealthy people donate. Hell you can even donate to the government - but only towards paying off the national debt. Which kind of helps nobody because that number fluctuates by the billions regularly based on inflation, interest and forty other factors. So that donation just gets lost in the shit anyway, or ends up in some corrupt fucks pocket. Donation is the way to go and that's why Buffet uses it.

Have you heard of anarcho syndicalism/social democracy my good bitch? It slaps.

That and the state that will use violence to prevent workers from striking and organizing. The NLRB and FLSA are patently absurd. Who gives a fuck if one McDonald's in a city unionized, it doesn't do anything for the workers. But that's the system we have and it is in the favor of capital. To effect change all food service workers in an entire region need to unionize. Try that and out come the guns.

If libs had critical thinking skills they wouldn't be libs

>assuming I don't know why the wealthy give to charities
Why do people like you justify the actions of sociopaths?

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This thread is good without the whitenoise posters saying the same three things and pretending not to understand over and over

Worker owned businesses and co-ops tend to be successful, dingus. Not to mention that the period of highest unionization in the United States is also the most prosperous period.

The myth of capitalism is of that 95 cents labor would get a living wage of 15 cents per, owner would get 30 for being the owner and for providing the initial capital and 50 cents would be invested into the pencil company to make the pencils better and also get the company in a position where it can safely weather changes in pencil buying and costs while being able to sell the pencils for 70 cents instead

In reality the labor gets 3 cents per pencil, the upper management and stockholders get 85 cents and 7 cents remain to keep the company operational. If the consumer can't be suckered to pay more than a buck for a pencil they look to see if the pencil can be made for 4 cents rather than 5. Once that fails they undercut labor by immigration or exportation so they only pay a 1 cent to labor. After that they cut operational costs to a nickel until lack of mantainence puts them in a bankruptcy situation, management takes their final bonus and bails.

There it is, capitalism in both theory and reality.

One thing I've learned about communists and socialists alike is that agree or disagree, most of them are not dicks like OP. So even if OP has ideas worth considering he's too defensive and combative to entertain other ideas, which makes him a poor choice for a revolutionary leader - or even for discussion in general. I mean look at this shit thread, OP just wants to insult people who disagree with him. As such OP's revolution is doomed to failure before it begins. However, if there are other user's who aren't douchebags I'd be happy to discuss these ideas in a different thread.

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I'm pretty well versed in Anarchist political theory. I see value in classic Pruodhonian mutualism and anarcosyndicalism. I get nervous when we get to anarcho communism or an-cap fakery, they both lead in a dark direction.
Personally I'm pretty open fisted about most ideas let's overturn the hierarchy and smash the state then we can hash out the fine details of the next stage and the progress in the Liberty of man. The particulars of money and prisons are particularly sticky little details that need considerable amounts of work in political theory to be made equitable and harder to corrupt.

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>Liberty
>socialism

Pick one, they aren't compatible.

i too base my political decisions on cartoons

Yes Begin was not a nice guy, particularly if you were a Arab in Mandatory Palestine or a Brit managing it.
But guess who also ain't a nice guy? Hitler and Neonazi shitheels

>anarcosyndicalism
No matter how many times Chompers explains this concept to me, I never quite understand it. Can you please put it in your own words? I'm just trying to understand it better for my own edification

What sort of retard are you? Middle schoolers aren't allowed on this board. Get off your phone and go back to class

>it's possible to be free under wage slavery

DAYUM
A BILLIONAIRE NIGGA
WE WUZ KANGZ !!!!!!!!!!

Is it all you need to be happy ?

It's just a picture bro.

>What sort of retard are you? Middle schoolers aren't allowed on this board. Get off your phone and go back to class.
I'm the sort of retard that realizes that 10 people in America owning such wealth as the entire southern hemisphere isn't going to work out very well in the long run. No human institution has lasted forever. If you think what passes for democratic capitalism currently is the exception I got some swampland in Florida available for a great price for you.

and he made it all from bike sales

Really? I thought it was cause he owns ESPN.
And I'll say this, I respect Magic Johnson a whole hell of a lot, and I know he worked hard half of his life, but even he doesn't deserve to be a billionaire. No one does.

Based. Almost exactly the same here comrade.

You can’t just pay more taxes, you fucking idiot. If you overpaybtaxes the IRS will GIVE IT BACK TO YOU ON YOUR RETURN. Dumb fuck. The laws have to be changed in order to tax them more. Your argument = always the neon sign for ignorance.

Kek. Dont make me tell your mommy youre skipping class

Hmmm...So he was behind that...

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Why would anyone want to be on your side? Commies are worse than nazis

It is just a expounding on Proudhon. Just a potential roadmap for revolution. Using widespread unionization to force societal change on a mass scale. Got pretty much crushed when facism rolled out across Europe.
I think the ideal is sound but that it will take violent direct action with the state abdicating power to bring about.

forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/04/23/if-warren-buffett-wants-to-pay-more-taxes-why-doesnt-warren-buffett-just-pay-more-taxes/#5b3ba3086d1a
>It started at Bleeding Heat Libertarians and they're making a point I made myself a few years back. If you think you're not being taxed enough then all you have to do is write a check and send it to this address:
>Gifts to the United States
>U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
>3700 East-West Highway, Room 6D37
Hyattsville, MD 20782

It's an inside out trade union structure kinda. Read the wiki. Unions are dope to begin with.

whitenoise

Oh shit, that's literally what I believe. I figured it was something like that. But yeah, that's the best way to avoid violent revolution and eventual societal collapse due to capitalism being unsustainable. Unionize everything, get every part of industry unionized. Full ownership of the means of production by the workers.

And how convenient that there always seems to be a bunch of people around lobbying against that even as kids are being born with $140k of debt and liabilities. Thier greed will be the downfall of the system, a downfall that ultimately leads to them swinging from the nearest lamppost.

whitenoise

And I’m sure those checks would ONLY go to the social safety net—not more defense spending or interest to the Fed or anything else fucking useless...

They don't understand that actual democracy and wealth controls eliminate government waste and streamline the budget.

It is going to happen. The GINI coefficient is creeping up worldwide. Plenty of pissed off people all over the globe. It is coming here soon too. The next economic downturn will be very ugly and with the partisan shitshow dont expect timely fiscal stimulus. The central myth of America is nearly dead and nothing good ever came from a society losing it's metaphysical identity.

Buy your ammo now, it is at 15 year lows. Get a plate carrier and some plates would be advisable too. Also if you have a family and the means to I would have an exit strategy from the US (although honestly it seems quite the chore to find a good stable alternative). Don't go dying for a cause if you have kids depending on you.

Can't make it on your own, huh OP?

The boss has other fixed costs and risks as well. When I worked in a auto shop the other mechanics would complain that they only made 20/HR but they charge 75. But the owners has to pay for the buildings, utilities, insurance, shop equipment and so on

Let me tell you about millionaires and billionaires pulling their money and business out of the US after a 90% taxation threat and putting it overseas killing off our economy and employment and then people like you wont be able to collect welfare payments from our broke government. This isnt the 1940s anymore they have more options at their disposal. Why do you think the Wall St. money guys threatened to donate to the republicans if Warren runs against Trump? Theyre already making plans.

Because you agreed to work for him at whatever your wage is set at.

And if there were no boss all those things would be shared between the workers. Once the initial investment is repaid why should the boss forever get to reap the benefits of another's labor?

You have obviously never had to work for a union or dealt with them. Youre doing nothing but transferring the money from your workplace which could be used to make your job better to the union bosses pocket.

Absolutely on the same page. As soon as I can, I'm arming up and joining a Socialist Rifle Club. Who has two thumbs and isn't going to die on their knees? This guy.

Let them go all Galt then and see how it works out for them after they lose all access to the largest economy on earth. Where are they going China? Africa to be surrounded by slums? Europe which is going through the exact same shit?

14 countries have mass protests now. Give it a couple years, this will be coming to a democracy near you soon.