You can't deny these facts

You can't deny these facts.

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KAG 2020!

When you're done sucking your own dick, try to remember that Obama inherited the asshat recession from George W and clawed us out of it, tooth and nail.

Don't worry; In Jan 2021, we'll start cleaning up after this mess you've made, too.

Fake and gay "facts"

No, but we can argue at great length what truth can be gleaned and interpreted from those facts.

Facts are objective but mean nothing. Meaning is subjective and cannot rely wholly on facts.

you're no better than the republicans who claim the exact same thing bruh

>Blaming Obama for the Bush recession

lul

the next recession will be big, trump tried to kill it but he's only delayed it. The greed of those people can't be stopped, didn't learn from 2008 or ever, it's going to be a big one

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Obama took over during an economic crisis. Trump took over after Obama.

not a usa fag... buuuuut are the numbers under trump, not the numbers after obarmas turms?? so obarma had some bad numbers then he started as leder and made them better.... right ??

That's what he inherited from dumb shit Bush. Look at the end, bonehead

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I can and I will because those are just alternative facts.

I know I can't pry you away from the talking points, but here it is for everyone else:

Great Recession happened because of deregulation of the housing industry. Who did that? Republicans. Whenever you deregulate an industry that you regulated because they misbehaved to begin with, you get it back at least 7x worse than before.

Here's a hint: Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about you. It never has. It never will. People who had no business buying an umbrella from a flea market wanted to buy a home. In a regulated industry, they don't even make it to the parking lot of the place where they can buy a home. In Republican land, all they have to do is sign on the dotted line. Why? Because the biz model was that these idiots would go into debt and pay through the nose trying to get out of debt. Easy money if the assumption was that these people would honestly try to get out of debt.

But they didn't.

A lot of these idiots simply declared bankruptcy and said, "Fuck you, ain't paying, go suck yourself off." When enough people did that, defaults started to happen that dragged legitimate people down with them and everyone else soon after. The comps who relied upon slicing and dicing these debt trades up to trade with one another soon collapsed because, at some point, you need to pay real people real money at some point instead of trading the speculative future of debt back and forth to one another.

The Great Recession and the Bailout happened because Republicans couldn't keep their hands out of the cookie jar even after having it slapped practically every single time they got caught.

>You can't deny these facts.
Just because you put the words in an image doesn't make them true, retard.

>Blaming Bush for the recession that Clinton started.
Learn some economics, my friend.

>You can't deny these facts
Yes I can, as these "facts" are a complete fabrication.
Here are some facts, with sources:
google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/9-charts-comparing-trump-economy-to-obama-bush-administrations-2019-9

>Obama inherited the asshat recession from George W and clawed us out of it, tooth and nail.
Clearly, clawing your way out of it was the wrong approach, because the recovery from the Great Recession was the slowest of post-WW2 economic downturn.

>Blaming Bush for the Clinton Recession

lul

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I would argue that the economy going to shit wasn't Clinton's fault but it wasn't really Bush's either.

A really big silicon valley bubble (which could be blamed on the president technically but I wouldn't) combined with 9/11 pretty much destroyed the economy.

I'm nervous because silicon valley is in a very similar bubble right now.

Wrong, it’s clearly George Washington’s fault. Should have prevented the recession from the start.

Yes, he boosted the stock market, while wages were flat and the US was suffering from the lowest workforce participation rate in history.

So he made the rich insanely richer, and everybody else suffered. And you're claiming he's responsible for the shale boom despite opposing pipelines, fracking, or anything related to why gas prices dropped.

But at least... we got another entitlement to further drag down growth, amirite?

We? Lol you probably don’t even vote.

nobody cares retard

>I would argue that the economy going to shit wasn't Clinton's fault but it wasn't really Bush's either.
Two points:
#1 The prez really only have a real say in foreign trade relations and military spending, so can't really take credit or blame aline for recessions or booms.
#2 the last Clinton year was the last year with a healthy USA federal economy. Why do you think Clinton made the economy "shit"? He might be lacking as a moral man, but he was a good statesman.

Not what happened. The dotcom bust had nothing to do with the housing boom, which was caused by the revocation of some great depression-era banking reforms, and the push to get everyone into houses by having the government underwrite the risk of mortgages, both of which happened under Clinton's watch.

Yay you posted a fake statistic! Good for you! Fuck off and die please. Thanks!

The effects of policy changes don't always take effect immediately, user. Presidents inherit economies as much as they make them.

>job approval obviously fake, the other "facts" are slanted misrepresentations.
wew, you sure are desperate to LIE today shill boy
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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He inherited a Shite economy and several big American sectors on the verge of collapse;like banking and car manufacture.
He was part of the solution, rather than the problem by having positive actions which were approved bipartisanly.
What good has The Orange One done for the economy?

you do realize it was barney frank who was responsible for the deregulation of the housing industry with his fellow congressional dems not the republicans which snowballed into everything else

uh oh i hope theres not a school shooting to detract from this, oh wait...

Besides the veto power and some lenited executive orders, the president has very little say over the laws that regulate the economy. Besides growth as a result of speculation, which seems odd to pass that off on a president.

>He thinks politicians care about him

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Lol never admitting speculation of a nigger socialist becoming president caused all of the predominantly rich white men invested in the stock market to jump ship. Fucks sake. Go back to playing politics in uni

lol most demotards didn't , they sat at home sniffing a glass of their finest farts while listening to the wife and her boyfriend working on their next child

Kill it? He made it bigger!!! What kind of an idoit cuts taxes and increases spending

>occupy democrats
not a reliable source

That might be true, but Bush and his cronies did two things to immediately turn the surplus to a deficit: lower taxes and start a war.

Voting for trump in 2020. First time ive voted since i was 18. Pretty much everyone i talk to is doing the same.

trumps like such a hitler for not going to war with someone

It's amazing how you just blame everything on the Republicans, despite no evidence.

The deregulation happened during the Clinton administration, so a Democrat was in the White House. Not only that, look at the pic. Both parties voted overwhelmingly in support of the deregulation.

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Bush's policies were strongly supported by Democrats, user. Whereas the reason why the Clinton administration ran a surplus is because he had a harsh first midterm in 1992, which reigned in his tax & spend tendencies.

Right????? I couldn’t believe I heard dems saying we should go to war with turkey, like weren’t you the anti Iraq war party like 2 years ago? What happened.

The president doesn't have any direct ability to pass laws, but thanks to the bully pulpit and their role as the head of their party, they still manage to have a massive influence on legislation.

You should work FOR the Trump administration with the ability to make up fucktarded made up numbers.

Come back when you get your GED or Trump University degree and know how to cite facts.

This.

Economic effects take a little bit of time to happen after you change policies. Same thing happened with Clinton. It's not a left/right issue, it's basic economics.

Trump inherited a strong economy and is fucking it up, not making it stronger. His deregulation is resulting in a very short-term burst of financial sector growth but everyone is talking about another bust coming around the corner.

or didn't you hear? Recessions are cyclical.

Obama was not part of the solution, his response caused the recession to drag out much longer than it would have without all the additional spending, and he put lots of money in the pockets of the rich.

And what's an orange cheetoh got to do with Obama?

I agree, orange man bad.

he's literally hitler if he goes to war at all, thats the point
>hitler if you do hitler if you dont

>the t.v told us so

>Recessions are cyclical.
Only since Keynesian policies became the norm. We went for 2 centuries a stable dollar and no significant economic downturns.

Interesting point. Have you totally overlooked the fact that Trump happily started deregulated everything as soon as he took office?

It's become the party of contrarianism. Whatever Trump wants to do, they want the opposite. Anything.

Everyone is Hitler!

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i want a tiny mustache :(

> facts
I don't think that word means what you seem to think it does.

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Deregulation is generally a good thing, user. There are far too many rules, and they're holding back the economy. The question is whether he's deregulating the right or the wrong things. I don't have a good feel for that one way or the other.

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Yup, the rate sky rocketed at the end of Bush, Obama put it in a decline and Trump picked up the end. Any more stories?

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First year deficit is inherited by the previous administration. This make Obama look amazing for getting it down that low

do you have permission to have that opinion? im going to have to see that or you're going to get written up.

>DUURN OBUMMER DID DIS HRNGNN
>HRGNN ECOONMICS

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Agreed, I point was he deregulated what caused the housing crises... Even banks said it was a bad idea.

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Typical, get asked a legitimate question and say something stupid because you have no answer.

The unemployment rate doesn't include all the people who drop out of the job market because they can't find jobs. People just gave up during Obama, and hey that means the unemployment rate drops. That's why the workforce participation rate is a better metric.

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Are you talking about Clinton or Trump?

ok boomer

i'm regulating your opinion, thats my job, heres a verbal warning, and if you do it again it's going on as a negative performance review, you've been warned.

Obama himself said it would be impossible for Trump to see that GDP number ("you can't wave a magic wand" comment) ...so was Obama admitting his policy sucked so much it would prevent that growth?

And yes, many policies' effects aren't seen until another term, but far from all. Some of that is due to policies that aren't in effect until an old one ends, is implemented slowly in phases/steps, or it simply takes that long to actually make all the changes once a policy is approved.
The market, however, can respond in real time and has done so far, far more in favor of Trump, from record wall street highs to companies giving away bonuses like candy post "Trump tax cut".

Given that Obama had 2 terms, all of his policies should have been in full effect during his second term ...and, they were... the economy was still fucked up, medical insurance cost more than ever, and fewer people had it (granted, many by choice of taking the fee over the retarded costs), and we still had record highs of unemployed, underemployed, and people on welfare.

Trump might be a big mouth asshat, but he at least does have common sense enough to actually help the nation grow. Obama might be the better drinking buddy, but his policies are some of the worst things seen in American history.

R E C E S S I O N, you dumbfuck.

Sorry, Trump deregulated the Obama era laws that were put into place to prevent further predatory lending and other things that lead to the housing crises.

>There are far too many rules, and they're holding back the economy.
there are far too few rules, and that's holding back workers. the rich are doing great with the lack of restraint on them gaming the system to funnel all our wealth into their pockets. if you're measuring the strength of the economy by the stock market instead of the wages, working hours, benefits, job satisfaction, etc as compared to actual first world nations, then you're a serf.

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>implying

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Oh crap, so this is what it's like to have a boss!? I'll go back to be self employed.

Again, just a dumb response from you because you don't have a legit answer to my question, and oddly you referred to it as an opinion.

Haha

>I TELL YOU WHATS WRONG WITH THIS HERE COUNTRY
>ITS A BIG MESS BECAUSE OF (other party)
>GOTTA GET (my party) IN TO FIX THE MESS

Summary of all political knowledge possessed by the average dumbass space filler.

Don't think we really disagree, I'm the same user who's been arguing elsewhere that Obama dragged out the recession. I don't know if Trump's policies will be good long-term, but the market seems to like them (though it responded well under Obama, too), and more importantly we've seen the GDP hit 4% growth at least once, the workforce participation rate has started to rise again, and so have real wages.

He's not Hitler because of his position on wars.
He's like Hitler because he's a demagogue who feeds on misinforming the uninformed masses about the problems we're facing and blame his invented troubles on a weak internal minority, with a clear racial bias, nationalist fervor and a vocal wish to silence all opposition; including through violence.
He's unlike Hitler in that he is not in direct control of an angry mob.

Don't have a strong feeling about that.

I'm going to set up a meeting with HR, I'll allow you to explain yourself before we move things any further, you can go ahead and go home for the day, thank you.

so Trumps not hitler? but the tv told me so

He actually bragged about it, and home lending has become way easier to get, I just refinanced our house and was told by the lender that stated-income loans are available again... that's not good

First off, I LIKE Trump. I voted for him and will do so again in '20, assuming he's still on the ballot. That said, OP's meme is bullshit. Trump's approval rating has ranged from 35% to 45% over his first 3 years as President. If it EVER saw 50%, it was for one day. The unemployment rate has been 3.6 or 3.7% for a handful of months now. GDP may have gotten to 2.9%, possibly 3.0%, but NOT 4.1%. Obama's numbers are similarly doctored, but in the opposite direction.

If you can't use real numbers, don't play /b, son.

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At least Obama wasn't a kike, pic related

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>there are far too few rules
Are you insane?

And BTW, it's the rich who benefit from the absolutely insane number of laws and regulations. They have lobbyists who make sure they're the ones who benefit, and they have lawyers and accountants who help them navigate the byzantine morass.

If you really want to help normal people, all that needs to go.

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Cool, I'll continue to stay home, that's super convenient because also work here.

HR advised you to read a book.

And fixed everything Obama fucked up, and undid all fucked up regulations that turned a basic rescission into an 8 year depression.

At least this time, they'll probably keep an eye on it.

Both of those job approval numbers are inaccurate. Trump's highest approval rating was 45%.

TP is propaganda

That's great, well HR can't get to you this week, so just stay at home til we decide on a resolution to this, and I'll email you when you can come back to explain yourself. Thank you for your response.

The 4.1% is a real number, it was the first estimate of the quarter's growth released in July 2018, though they revised it down later. It's like all infographics, it cherry picks. The Obama ones tend to be even more misleading, because anything looks good if you start during a recession.

Ask yourself this if you have a republican and a piece of shit trying to think, which one will have a coherent thought?

Neither. As both have shit for brains