Good afternoon, Sup Forums! I was looking around at stuff online, and I came across this waistcoat...

Good afternoon, Sup Forums! I was looking around at stuff online, and I came across this waistcoat. What would you wear it with, if you owned it? What kinds of clothes? It is dark brown tweed.

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Here is the back picture of the waistcoat. The back side is of a contrasting fabric and color, as many waistcoats typically feature contrasting rears.

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As for the stand-up collar, it could be folded down to look like shawled lapels.

an off-white shirt like what's in the pic, but a modern one, unless you're going for the 'old' look.. beat up trousers and boots from second hand store... steampunk on!

Or, do you prefer this lighter colored linen waistcoat?

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>What would you wear it with, if you owned it?
The 16th century

Good suggestion. I also believe that the waistcoat could be paired with modern dress clothing. For me, I think it would be as simple as just adding on a regular blazer or sports coat, with probably the stand-up collar folded downward rather than kept up, as the up collar look is quite antique looking, but not objectively bad.

Also, I already own a waistcoat like this one, so I probably don't need to get one of the ones like the beige linen one, for now.

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It's too bad that the store I'm looking at is sold out of this grey style.

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Eventually, I also think about getting one of their linen shirts.

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Would you not sweat like a lava monster in a coat like that

It depends. During the late fall, the winter, and the early spring, I will often be fine in something like that. It's not a warmer weather waistcoat, but I've got a linen one, like this seen below (less wrinkled than that picture, which isn't of mine, but the same style and color).

Wear that with a kilt

Shoot the british I guess wearing the union uniform

Kilt formal dress legitimately incorporates waistcoats, so that one may work. However, I am not Scottish, and I do not own a kilt.

LOL already done, around 250 years ago.

It is a nice 19th century or fantasy or steampunk garment. A white or undyed linen shirt would go great with it. The pants should not be darker than the vest though, and that neck cloth should be lighter colored than the vest but darker than the shirt - dark green would work well. You could add a vest clock with chain.

A tie with that vest is only okay in a steampunk kit.

That thing in the back? Get a darker color. White looks like it was stolen off a pair of sneakers.

>That thing in the back? Get a darker color. White looks like it was stolen off a pair of sneakers.
I was thinking that I might try to replace the white string tie with a matching burnt-orange or brown one for the back.

Do it again ,duhhh !

Maybe it will have to be done again, soon.

Do it for the vine

It would improve it. Also, metal eyelets are definitely not a victorian-era detail and they pretty much pop up. You can cover that up with a nice bulgy knot, and/or a permanent marker in a matching color. Even a brass marker would be better. However, for steampunk use these eyelets are good to go and chances are most people won't even notice.

>Also, metal eyelets are definitely not a victorian-era detail and they pretty much pop up.
To be fair, this vest is from before the Victorian era, in a style fashionable mainly between 1780s through early 1800s. I think that brass would match better than the nickel/silver tone they have, instead, but I am not sure how far I would take that. I might just stick with making the back tie replaced with a darker colored string, probably a brown shade close to the color seen.

I feel like the people who originally wore these were underweight and sickly all the time so probably needed the warmth.

There were a lot more slim to average build people in the 1700s and 1800s, for countries like America and Britain.

A lot more people were working outdoors. And homes were badly ventilated, badly insulated and often badly heated. A vest was an advantage to a sweater because even if your arms got wet and dirty, the rest of you didn't. This was vital at a time when clothes technically didn't get washed since washing soap was too hard on the clothes. You might hang a shirt to dry but warm water would mean the garment shrunk or even fell apart. We have NO idea how good we got it now. I have owned car that cost less that what a good coat cost back then.

Just to make an example. I have a box here from just before WW2. It contains a stack of cardboard shirt collars. Loose shirt collars, so when the collar gets dirty you take it off and put on a new one and hello, no need to wash the shirt! And this was the 1930s. Imagine the 1730s.

Very interesting! In the 1730s, and probably all of the 18th century, there may have never been detachable collars for shirts. Collarless/band collar shirts existed, but they didn't really have detachable collars, at least not nearly as many as the 19th century after the 1820s and leading up through the 1930s. By the 1940s, I think detachable collars were unfashionable, and they were getting to that point even during the 1920s, with softer and pre-established collars becoming more favorable for dress shirts, whereas before, they were more the domain of work shirts. 1730s shirts seem to have virtually always had collars, or were intentionally made banded (short or no collar), and they were probably washed sometimes, but not often.

I would wear it with a noose and then hang myself

a brace of pistols

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Heh. Of course, it wasn't all about trying to avoid washing. It was also the general level of hygiene. Water was barely considered fit for washing, and it really was barely that. Between the lead pipes in the water supply, the lacking understanding of germs and the unrestricted industrial pourouts into the lakes and rivers it's not hard to understand a general reluctance to washing. The shower as we know it wasn't a thing in homes before the 1920s, and that was in USA. For the rest of the world the posh answer was a tub filled with water laboriously heated in and carried from a fireplace, and the average family would share that tub water one by one. Most small homes would have to do with a small basin, half a gallon of warm water and washing cloth.The poor would not have that water warm, nor would they have soap. And these are the 1920s we are talking about.

So that collar got dirty every time it was put on that neck.

>So that collar got dirty every time it was put on that neck.
It's possible that people bleached the shirts white with paint. For militaries, white was a common color for trousers and waistcoats, as well as uniform coats for the Austrians, and they just painted it white if they got dirty, or dry cleaned them somehow, but that's normally what they did for stains.

I want a reference on them painting clothes. Painting leather, yes. Painting garments is unknown to me. Staining is different. Speaking as a Napoleonic reenactor here. To the best of my knowledge military clothes were maintained to a high standard in the barracks but in wartime the armies became rag armies, repairing what they could as they marched but supplies never were where they needed so cloth was acquired from the locals. Books on the British during the Peninsular campaign describe the soldiers turning from crisp issue to worn down, color drained and eventually more and more into the dull brown color of the locally made fabric.

Dry cleaning, the soldier's way, is to hang the garment near a fireplace. Not in the faint hope of cleanliness but to try and smoke out all the lice. Now we are talking WW2 and probably as far back as uniforms have existed.

Oh, maybe I misinterpreted painting. It was some kind of bleaching, I thought, particularly for white garments?

Bleaching is a process that can wear very hard on cloth. You see what bleached jeans look like. In ye olden days it was a process done at the factory where the cloth was manufactured, and not something most people even could do. Certainly not something you'd do to a weary garment. I think the word we are both looking for is coloring. A basin of water with some stabilized dye that the whole garment was soaked in. Brown is a typical color that can be made at home by a seamstress of the period. But frankly, coloring was a lesser problem than the garment ripping during use. Hand seams, crude cloth manufacture and high prices for clothes contributed to clothes getting ragged. You may see old paintings, the realistic type, showing people wearing clothes with repair tags all over them. The gentles could afford a higher standard but this was a period where beggars actually came to people's doors and asked for rags. Not clothes, just rags.

That is very insightful to the process of cleaning clothing. Thanks.