If you're a Trump supporter, I'm just curious about what you think on the whole Ukraine business.
What do you think he actually did? Did he seek to just fight corruption, or to to get dirt on Biden for his own benefit, or both?
Do you think what he did is wrong? If you think it's wrong, why do you still support him? Don't give a shit, think the democrats are worse, think it's wrong but not impeachable, or maybe a different reason?
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Trump fans don't know anything about it. He's their deity and can do no wrong.
It is 100% Democrat projection
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Suppose it's both? Both can be guilty.
Democrats have now spent 3 straight years trying to take out a sitting American President on the most inane, ridiculous and far-fetched theories they can dream up. Hopefully Trump wins next year and then unleashes wholly hell on all of them for their traitorous acts.
I think he wanted dirt on Biden
Was it illegal, I don’t think so
Why aren’t the dems interested in the truth on the Bidens and if Ukraine meddled in th e election also
It’s become so political the whole thing is irrelevant now
I didn't vote in 2019. Later on i gradually began to approve of the administration and a lot of his policies. Im actually quite impressed on how he turned out. nonetheless i think Hillary would have been much worse. I will be voting Trump in 2020.
Im not really a fan but ill support him over any of the Democratic nominees. I thinkhe can be temperamental,L and shortsighted. I cant stand the way he talks without a teleprompter.
Anyway i think both. He saw an opprotunity to tackle corruption and make a fool out the opposition. He could have gone about it more responsibly. Wrong? Subjective but yeah could been better. Illegal? No.
What Biden did raises some serious legal issues.
I hope he is impeached so the Senate acquits him just in time for November. His popularity will sore. I feel the Democratic Party elites will not stop at anything to have him removed. They were humiliated and literally defeated by a reality TV star. They are acting like children crying over any opprotunity to do so.
I come from a family thats been voting democrat since FDR. Only a couple family members supported Hillary. Most of us didnt vote and the rest voted Trump
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I see. Thanks for the elaborate reply user.
And congrats on your trips.
It's directly impeachable for presidents to ask foreign powers to help them take down a rival. By asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, he is implicitly inviting a foreign power to meddle in out electoral process, as Biden is a major political rival whom he will be running against. Withholding the aid on condition of a favor is, yes, quid pro quo, and it is, yes, soliciting a bribe. That is illegal.
Of course, wanting to investigate corruption and leveraging a quid pro quo against ukraine to do so do not have to be mutually exclusive.
It's possible he actually wants to investigate what he suspects is a real issue, but he still went about it in an illegal and impeachable manner. Although, according to the diplomats involved Trump didn't even care that the investigation occurred, just that it was announced. This strongly suggests that Trump was not actually as concerned with investigating corruption as he is with hurting his political opponents image.
What did Biden actually do?
He's inviting foreign governments to help "investigate" his political opponents. He's the president, if he was really concerned there are proper channels. Literally every single federal dept and intelligence agency concluded that it was Russia who interfered in our election, Trumps insistence that it came from Ukraine is a baseless conspiracy theory he mutters in the face of literally every single actual expert telling him otherwise.
What happened is pretty clear but in order to see it you have to listen to multiple news sources over a long period of time.
Basically the left and the right in the US no longer get information from the same news sources. If you only listen to left-leaning news sources you likely would not even be aware of the suspicions around Biden extorting Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son. Right-leaning news outlets have been pointing this out as general 2016 and Joe Biden corruption.
Trump obviously listens to conservative news sources. It is completely reasonable for someone being told by the news and his advisors that Ukraine and Biden are corrupt to want to investigate that.
You can argue that Trump was believing in conspiracy theories but that's a useless argument. A) Both sides can and will accuse the other of doing the same. B) Its not a crime for a president to believe conspircies.
Imagine only wanting their shit eating pedophiles out of office and not all. So much for those darn liberals projecting huh?
This continued belief that people hold is exactly why he's gunna get re-elected too. Hope you're strapped the fuck in lad lmao
If the conservative party really believes that there is nothing wrong with american politicians skirting official channels to court aid from foreign agents to help them win elections, then the conservative party has finally become so utterly blind to the lies of their masters that...that...
It's simply unfathomable. America is over. GOP voters don't love America, they love the GOP.
Not a trump supporter but I doubt he needed dirt on Biden, the Dems are basically imploding because they can't stop infighting.
All I can say for sure is, if Hillary had won 2016 there's no way Epstein would have been jailed. Epstein getting caught up was a huge win in my book. Not saying Trump had anything to do with it one way or the other, but for sure Clinton's wouldn't have let that go down the way it did.
It's his constitutional duty and his campaign promise to fight corruption. I think SOMEONE should have gone after Biden's potential corruption back when he openly admitted on video that he bribed Ukraine officials to fire the prosecutor looking into his sons corruption. I guess those "concerned officials" who want to trash trump didn't give a damn about the obvious corruption, so now Trump has to go after it. So what if Biden happens to also be ONE of the many potential candidates in the other party. If Biden was a Republican running against a Democrat, I'd still want justice to at least be explored (and preferably delivered). Imagine how easy it would be to impeach Trump if he was on video bragging about holding back taxpayer funds unless the Ukraine president fired the prosecutor investigating the corruption of his son's notoriously-corrupt company.
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fuck trump he's a worthless shitstain criminal but that info is interesting enough i'll look into it and I wont sputter like a dipshit and shout that you need to provide sources.
>This continued belief that people hold is exactly why he's gunna get re-elected too.
Yes, exactly, the horror that is the recently revealed depths into how irredeemably lost the souls and minds of GOP voters is exactly why he'll win again.
The GOP is successfully usurping America, openly mocking our systems of checks and balances while arguing that the executive authority is above all laws of the land and may act without impunity (something they only do when they are in the seat, otherwise they bemoan that government has too much power).
The GOP is successfully twisting the millions of people who follow a religion based around loving their neighbors and helping the poor into a religion that suits there needs better and asks that we never question the governments (so long as its GOP)
Trump did nothing wrong
Biden admitted it on video
oh ok it was only one ukrainian that said that? fuck off witht hat shit
>If you only listen to left-leaning news sources you likely would not even be aware of the suspicions around Biden extorting Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son.
That is true. Some left-wing media have said that Biden's son's being hired by the company is shady but not illegal, which I guess is probably true. As regards firing the prosecutor, they argued that the guy who was supposed to be prosecuting Burisma wasn't actually doing so, and so ironically, forcing his resignation was the anti-corrupt thing to do. I don't really know.
However, I do have to say that even if it's true and Biden is massively corrupt, that still doesn't absolve Trump of what he did.
>Not a trump supporter but I doubt he needed dirt on Biden
Agreed.
>I think SOMEONE should have gone after Biden's potential corruption back when
>I'd still want justice to at least be explored (and preferably delivered)
Agreed.
>Imagine how easy it would be to impeach Trump if he was on video bragging about holding back taxpayer funds unless the Ukraine president fired the prosecutor investigating the corruption of his son's notoriously-corrupt company.
Man I don't actually know about that. They could have tried impeaching Trump on the emoluments. It feels like one of those things that's pretty clearly suspicious to most people, but politicians pretend it doesn't exist. From what I gather, there was wide agreement the prosecutor needed to go even outside USA.
It's illegal to ask foreign governments to interfere, act against, or assist in such internal matters. Especially when it's direct at a political rival and therefor will have an effect on our electoral process. Especially as well when there are proper domestic channels to use if he actually suspected or cared about Bidens corruption.
I hear what you are saying, but the same as the hearings, no one quotes a law
Quid pro quo is the basic law of negotiating
that single quote out of context with literal no reference to the veritable litanies of corroborating testimony sure has me convinced, you dim boob.
Quote the law please
I'm confused, are you asking for the specific citations of laws and articles that outline how this conduct is illegal? It's obtainable.
the impeachment trial will decide and set precedent as to whether a president can or not quid pro quo with another nation in order to negatively affect the perception of a rival candidate, and intending to influence the election outcome.
It's up to the senate to decide if such conduct is acceptable and presidential from now on.
This is history being written. Grab your popcorn.
But it is ok for Hillary to hire a foreign national to Investigate trump in a foreign land to influence the election?
Yes that’s what I’m asking,it’s not even been mentioned in the hearings
Openly admitted on camera that he bribed the Ukraine president (with taxpayers' money) to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's business and deal with Burisma (that was quite fishy).
all i know is nothing the left says is true, and everything trump says is true. It's a witch hunt and a shame
If they one crumb of actual evidence against Trump they would have voted for impeachment
There is no case against Trump because there is NO CRIME you fucking imbecile
Sorry this is taking so long lol the actual like, title of the legal code and such is a lot harder to remember than the substance of the article. Here is part of what I'm talking about though
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if you like mexican fences....that fall down in the rain. If you like fracking up our water supply, and spilling oil on the plains.
I guess I'd want clearer context, but worded like that I'd have to say "no, and it shouldn't be if it is"?
and you are too blind to see the truth that Trump was doing whatever he could to go after the corruption that was obviously there.
They are literally moving forward on that next week, they are gathering *all* the evidence lol
He should use official channels, and not invite foreign agents to undermine our democracy.
you know that's not real right? That quote? I mean you must know that, you can't actually be this stupid...
It's a user created clip where he chopped up the video and changed around subtitles. It's really fucking obvious if you watch it, only the most tragic boomer brainlets could fall for that.
except like 9 people from the white house staff have all admitted that it's real......
They absolutely can be. They are aggressive when it comes to demonstrating ignorance. Their master loves the poorly educated.
We give out aid to dozens of countries. He's withheld none in the name of rooting out corruption. There were many instances of corruption in Ukraine, but the only two things he specifically requested were 1. Clear Russia of election meddling in 2016 2. Announce an investigation of my democratic rival.
anyone that reads knows whats going on. TV news is for plebs, CNN is for idiots and fox is for even bigger idiots.
Trump is guilty as fuck, and Biden might be too. But trump is the president so that's a much bigger problem right now.
Nothing wrong with it. Ukraine was trying to influence the election. We want to find out hiw and why. One more thing: why do we give a shit enough about this country that we would remove the person responsible for its prosperity? Ludicrous
Trumpism is the religion the GOP is using to finally finish their slow strangulation death of evangelicalism.
foolish babble. The left is trying to usurp the country with lies galore. You somehow believe this crap.
He withheld it longer than he is actually legally able to as well, just one of his many reaches and over steps.
Facts. Dems need to play dirty to complete. The fly over states are basically programmable NPCs
False: He bragged about carrying out american foreign policy. If this confession on tape from 2 years ago is such a slam dunk then why does Ukraine need to investigate?
it doesn't have to break any laws:
Good luck with that
they have multiple witnesses and sworn testimony. They are moving forward with it. There's so much evidence it's taking a while to get through it all.
Russian did it, the only people who say otherwise are Trump and Putin. You're obviously retarded so I can understand why you would take their word over literally every single natsec and intelligence agency in the country.
Not the other dude but how did hunter get a lucrative job like that when he shows such poor judgement? Knocked up a stripper and was smoking crack in a strip club and met a woman and got engaged after a week. Goodness man, I think I'm going to try to get on at burisma.
yup that's trump alright
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Ukraine was trying to influence the election? Any proof of that at all?
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And MSNBC is for bigger idiots and PBS is for bigger idiots and CNN is for bigger idiots and obviously your mom is for bigger idiots.
No thats just my personal observations. Conservatism in america has become a disgusting cult of personality. When a liberal in the white house "government is bad and we need to stop the president from doing these crazy things we say are over-stepping his roles" when the GOP sits on top though "the president is above the law"
100%
I was a Democrat so spare me your diatribe. The choice was simple. The fags and the SJW's took it too far and we voted the enablers out. The U.S. is fairly conservative. We say one thing in public but the voting booth is private.
The language did it or...?
I assume he's referring to the Steele dossier; but as far as I know, she hired a US company to do oppo research, and that company hired a Brit. Neither she nor the DNC hired the Brit directly.
GOP playbook to anyone not dented in the head. Holy fuck.
>Man I don't actually know about that. They could have tried impeaching Trump on the emoluments. It feels like one of those things that's pretty clearly suspicious to most people, but politicians pretend it doesn't exist. From what I gather, there was wide agreement the prosecutor needed to go even outside USA.
They know emoluments would not have gone anywhere, especially when they have done worse (and stuff that more-closely matches the legal definition). I am quite sure the leftist news organizations (aka fake news) tried to paint a picture that Biden was somehow ridding us of the corruption while Trump is somehow the bad guy.
Nothing. The whole thing is just an easy out for anti trumpers
>>He withheld it longer than he is actually legally able to as well, just one of his many reaches and over steps.
By ten days; however, AFAIK he could only do it if he gave a particular reason. He doesn't have the authority over money except for a few exceptions and I haven't heard anything about that so far at least.
politico wrote an article. Simple google search will do. Try it. If I post a link you would accuse me of using propaganda. Post a screenshot.
yes, and so they voted, popular vote majority was not Trump. I'm not complaining about the lectoral college, that is the system we have and Trump won.
Still, you said it yourself, the voting booth is indeed private and the people spoke.
He erased his post. Lol
And not hiring the Brit directly to interfere in the election makes it ok?
I just wish both sides would look for the truth on how corrupt both parties are
false analogy is false
Right. You say you don't hang your coat on the Majority vote but here we are. Dishonest much? We don't elect by the majority. I'll allow you to retract your dishonest statement.
lol, please show us the irrefutable proof, you absolute moron!
>And not hiring the Brit directly to interfere in the election makes it ok?
No, but hiring companies to do research for you is perfectly legal. What's there evidence they knew it was going to come from foreign sources?
There are no trump supporters, just ‘fuck the socialists’ people
More like setting the precedent as to wether a president may perform his constitutional duty of investigating corruption, negotiating with other countries, and leading our country as the executive branch or not. Should only be difficult for an imbecile to sort it out.
>dindu nuffin
trumpkin logic
And multiple Trump cronies have been indicted, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
This.
The Ukraine business went South after Schiff went public with his fabricated story on the phone call. Trump released the transcript which fucked their plan up. But...they already fired up the lefty base, so show must go on lol. The public inquiry last week was a joke. A lot of opinions and key ommisions. If this goes to the Senate, the defense gets witnesses to come forward. People the Dems don't want to have on the stand. Pelosis best play is say the evillll republicans Will aquit Trump anyway so may as well quit
Yeah, Hunter Biden's appointment to the board of Burisma is suspicious of fuck, and it taints his father's campaign. Regardless, that does not exonerate Trump's actions. There are legitimate means of investigating wrongdoing, and that is not how that idiot Trump handled it.
There were a couple op ed pieces in Ukarainan news where they were critical of Trump. That's about it.
It is true. Of course, we all know he could lawyer up and have the argument made that he was just blowing smoke to look cool for the cameras when he said that stuff on camera. We need some paperwork or other evidence to make sure he doesn't have a way to snake out of it. But yeah, morons want to say we should impeach Trump because we have what evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, exactly? Was he bragging about bribing the Ukraine president? No? Oh, some guy with super hearing heard something from a phone call across a restaurant that contradicts what the guy on the phone testified that he heard? Oh yeah, so impeachable. LOL
fully, unequivocally untrue
"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't just there because it sounds cool.
Take this to pol you useless nigger lover
A majority of trump voters didn’t vote because they love him, it’s they dispised the other option.
Same way they view any socialism. It’s bad for the country and anything including trump is a better option.
As a non-American. He’s an idiot, who really isn’t near intelligent enough for office of that magnitude. Also lowering US’ standing abroad, not “making it great”