DUNE

why is it considered 'unfilmable'?

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Too much material for a single movie. Would need to be a trilogy at least.

I've got faith in Denis Viellenue to do it justice. We'll see how I feel after Blade Runner though.

Came here to psot this. Can't fit it all into a 2 hour movie.

YES!!!!!!! hard to film without rhythm

Too expensive to make everything and no demographic

the sci fi crowd cannot be trusted to come out and watch sci fi movies. See: GiTS

I like you user.

House of Leaves

What if they avoid the drum sand.

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This. Also a lot of the book is internal monologues and esoteric philosophical, theological and political discussions that don't make good material for filming.

It's an incredibly dense book.

can't argue with this bene gesserit truthsayer, people.

Lynch version is kino

Too much exposition and too many internal monologues.

Beyond all the other reasons like it being too long or having too much internal dialogue there is one really big reason you won't see any accurate adaptation of Dune to cinema.

Dune is subversive.

Extremely subversive when you look at it closely. In a dozen different ways. It's full of true "red pills" as the kids like to say about the future of man and technology, about governments that deceive the people (you will be surprised which side the narrative takes!), the necessity of religion, and eugenics and the future evolution of the human race.

It's a hell of a lot to take in and if a trilogy or quadrilogy were to be made with care and achieve the same success as LOTR it would send waves through the cultural consciousness.

That can't happen. "They" do not want it to happen. Hollywood is not in the business of rocking the boat like that. It can't get funding.

The book is less than 500 pages and literally split into 3 "books" within one book.

You can do one of three things
>Tweak the source material to make it make more sense for the two hour format (already tried, made less sense as a result)
>Make a three hour movie ala titanic or some shit and change literally nothing from the source material
>Make a mini series and drag the source material out

Option 2 is the best for the integrity of the source, but most expensive.

would be better off as either a boring dialogue heavy TV show like game of reddit or the walking reddit, or a short film that just focuses on the surreal sci fi imagery and keeps everything else to a minimum

if u try to make a regular movie out of it you would just end up with a bland incomplete mess

>the sci fi crowd cannot be trusted to come out and watch shitty rapings of their favorite franchises devoid of the ideological themes in the original source material. See: GiTS

Sci fi fans will pay for good things, or moderately decent things like TFA.

We are not giving Hollywood money to essentially do us a disservice like GITS.

Stop worrying about what "normies" want to see in a movie. When the nerds get what they want, the normies will naturally follow anyways after we shill your movie for you (for free) on the net and do your advertising for you.

It's filmmable.

Problem is, it's always thought of, in Hollywood, as some sort of sci fi Lawrence of Arabia. It would probably work better as a Game of Thrones style dramatic series.

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Because the story is incredibly boring apart from the giant worms.

A large part of it happens after a major time gap.

It's got an absurd number of settings and characters.

There are fairly large sections of the book that focus on minor characters discussing the science, politics, philosophy, and religion of the loose federation of planets and the empire.

There's not actually a lot of action, if you red it over again. There's (I think) 4 major fight scenes total, and only a few other majorly exciting one (like the riding of the Sand Worms). The rest is basically just people sitting around and talking strategy.

Worse, they're talking future strategy based on premonitions, which is often confusing and hard to understand, both for the characters in the story and for the audience. And the details revealed in the visions of the future are extremely important for the plot, so it's not like the filmmakers can just gloss over them.

It'd just be a real bugger to film in a lot of ways. Like creating a mix of Ghost in the Shell, Lawrence of Arabia, and Lord of the Rings, all of which on their own were extremely difficult to get right on film. Combining their themes and ideas into a coherent film would just be a nightmare.

People said Life of Pi was unfilmable. That's just not true. It would clearly be ahrd, but not impossible. However, something like Dune or Midnight's Children would indeed be utterly unfilmable. There's just too much going on, with too many key details that cannot be omitted and too much about it that is inherent to the medium of the written word, rather than the medium of celluloid.

He's right. Dune is legendary for a reason, you know.

I just watched the Sci fi 2000 trilogy Dune series.

So I pretty much know what they had to cut out and such to make it a movie.

It has to have at least 3 movies or so, because there is way too much things happening for it to be contained in one movie.

t. person who has not read dune

We got a poorly read newfag over here folks

As for Dune being subversive, I guess. It's at base about the western world's dependence on oil. What if the middle east just decided to keep their oil? That's the fundamental question of the series.

You could make a dramatic series where the Emperor looks like Trump, flies an American flag, the Saudukar, the Emperor's shock troops, look like Navy Seals, the Fremen look like middle easterners, Saudis, and the Harkonnen look like old time European aristocrats. That would capture Herbert's vision.

What's sad is no one ever filmed God Emperor, which, in my opinion, is the best. That's when you start getting to the good stuff. If any adaptation ever got there, I think it would instantly blow people's (normies) minds.

Jodorowsky Dune never ever ;_;

the reson its great is its vauge you dont get technobable about technolagy or legal thearys about interstellar govermnent its driven by charatcters and movies are the worst meduim for character drivin entertainment

>As for Dune being subversive, I guess. It's at base about the western world's dependence on oil. What if the middle east just decided to keep their oil? That's the fundamental question of the series.

uhhhh

NO

No, bruh. That is just the start of the series. Have you read beyond the first book?

>What's sad is no one ever filmed God Emperor, which, in my opinion, is the best. That's when you start getting to the good stuff.
While this is true the rest of your post is making think you haven't actually read God Emperor.

It's just a 2 year timegap friendo.

fpbp

oh, yeah, full-on snore-fest there. no car chases, no space battles, and very little actual porn. who's gonna sit still for that?

> anyone except the 18-28 american male audience, that's who

ive read it you faggots, hollywood may have ideological tendencies but that's not the reason it hasn't been made. i agree with all of what he said as far the necessity of those values, but he's unnecessarily injecting politics into the conversation

>It's got an absurd number of settings and characters.

absurd!

Caladan.

Guild Heighliner.

Arrakis.

ABSURD.

2 words.

Shield Practice

thank fuck. i don't particularly want to see two thousand extras taking a shit on a set in Mexico.

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>As for Dune being subversive, I guess. It's at base about the western world's dependence on oil. What if the middle east just decided to keep their oil? That's the fundamental question of the series.


That's just the first book you fucking normie pretender.

>it's always thought of... as some sort of sci-fi Lawrence of Arabia

That's what I think about. Paul's pilgrimage across Arrakis.

Also this user seems on point: It's all talk of strategy and not about the battles themselves. It's the characters that are interesting, yet only a few, not all.
As the Harkonnen's aren't really fleshed out despite people holding a considerable amount of hatred for them.

way too many internal monologues and info dumps . Also too slow making it two hours kills the mood.

Look man. Dune. desert planet. Remind you of anywhere on earth?

Spice is used for transportation. Spice is consumed. We use oil for fertilizer and transportation.

Paul goes to Dune to make sure the spice flows. He constricts the supply, forcing the emperor to come to Dune with his army to open the spigot.

How is this not about oil? It's 100% about oil. The US has been putting down any leaders in the middle east who aren't our bitch for decades.

Sure, there's a lot of other concepts thrown around, many other themes explored, but it comes down to geo politics. Oil politics.

Paul Maudib's story is nearly the story of Saddam Hussein, Ghaddafi, Assad. All men who have tried to control the oil, and in so doing, forced them to confront the US.

this executives expect to make every book an 1:40 hours movie

Yup, you have only read the first book at mot.

Again, you only talk about the events of the first book.

Paul is fucking nothing in the scope of Dune compared to Leto II, but why mention the guy who becomes a literal god?

Get out.

Saw Lynch's Dune maybe.

Was the writer up against a deadline or something? The ending of the book is just Paul and his space Arabs start a war and then they start winning and then they had a big battle where they won somehow despite having no aircraft and also Paul's baby sister killed off the bad guy somehow and now Paul is emperor THE END in like 10 pages. Then the sequel is about a midget who trains a zombie to kill Paul.

Dune is about the ultimate fate of humanity. It may start on a simple oil parable (which isn't really accurate either), but it goes far beyond that to questions about how humanity can ensure its future survival against the march of progress through the lens of technology and eugenics. In Dune it seems like humans are destined to be destroyed either by thinking machines or by transforming ourselves into genetically-engineered monsters sacrificing our souls in the process. Dune attempts to find a third way.

Not him but the book was published in 1965, a time during which the Middle East was not exaclty peaceful.

And after the first book, a messiah unites a desert-dwelling people in order to unleash an interplanetary holy war.
A lot of its onomastics are derived from Persian and Arabic, too.

After the third book though, shit really hit the fan, I do agree. All in all the books are not about international politics of the Middle East during the sixties, but you cannot say it does not draw from it.

not remember everyone is excrement
and can change to anything they want to be

Addendum: it's also a lot about religion. Dune comes down pretty hard on the side of religion being necessary to keep humanity in line.

>the sci crowd will not come to watch my movie that is action packed,because I got rid of the philosophical question which make up 80 percent of why the liked it.

Are you a shill?

The Islamic references in Dune are more there to serve as bit of exotic "other" lore to western readers than serve as any political commentary imo

>Again, you only talk about the events of the first book.

Uh, yeah?

I love God emperor the best, but after the first trilogy (the singular Dune book split into three), it explores many other topics. It's not thematically as related or unified.

And tragically, Herbert had only finished part one and two of the last trilogy before dying. That one is unfimmable because you literally only have 1 out of three.

If you made a TV series or movie series and got past the first book (trilogy), the whole thing would shift in theme and tone quite drastically. I think a TV audience would love it actually. All sorts of things are set up and then perverted. It's almost like, "holy shit this new season is totally different"

I personally think each trilogy is quite different. Practically different works exploring different themes. If a TV series got to Chapterhouse, I suppose they could just make up the ending.

They said Watchmen was unfilmable but now its the only capekino.

Everything everyone posted here is exactly why Dune would make a stupendous TV drama. Herbert was fond of exploring all sorts of subjects, going on all sorts of tangents. There's a lot of material for a long TV series to draw.

comic books are the most easily filmable books out there

Did they? I mean, movie was pretty much frame-by-frame lifted form the comics just like 300.

are the sequels any good? I didn't like the second book so I stopped there but people ITT seem to like God Emperor

Primarily, because it has an inherently anti-Capitalist message.: it's very much pro-indigenous culture, pro-environment.

The leader of the resistance calls himself the "Mehdi, leading the jihad".

Can't see the Weinsteins being to interested in that.

>better as a Game of Thrones style dramatic series.
So nudity and softcore porn throughout, added with bland, unrealistic characters and shitty plot points, plus tossing half the actual source material out the window to force sjw propaganda. Sounds great. Stupid cunt

will he manage to do it?

Describe a character.

fpbp

>it's very much pro-indigenous culture, pro-environment
It's less that now, especially since Baby Herb got his paws on the series and fucked it all with his prequels.

>I was born and raised on Giedi Prime
>I and Duncan Idaho are both Harkonnens
>My sister was raped to death infront of my eyes by beast rabban
>I have an inkvine scar across my chin/jawline
>I am an amazing fighter and musical prodigy
>I came to work for Duke Leto I on Caladan once I escaped the harkonnens
Who am I?

alessandro, gtfo. you belong in

patrick stewart!

>dur, I don't know what a setting is

this is like simplifying the James Bond films to saying that they're not hard to film because
>it's just filmed on earth, what's so hard about that?

The scenes on Caladan wouldn't be too bad, as you just need a generic palace, garden, war room, dining area, etc, but the spaceport and guild ships would be a hassle. Plus, you're completely ignoring the entire subplot with Duke Harkonnen and his bloodline, with the fighting rings, their own separate palace, war room, dining area, etc.

Then on Arrakis, you've got yet another palace, war room, garden this time a greenhouse, and large dining area, plus you've got to make a large city--and one totally devoid of any and all plants besides 1 row of palm trees. There isn't an on-site location like that on earth. Even the most arid desert cities at least have shrubs and shit. Arrakis has literally NOTHING.

Then you've got 4 different distinct caves, 2 spice rigs, the emperors tent and space ship, various thopters, and a whole lot of desert to barren that you will have to film it in the Sahara--which is often extremely harsh on film equipment, and so makes studios reluctant to do filming there if they can avoid it. Which, if they want to make Dune look good, they cannot avoid.

And I'm fairly certain I'm missing a number of other scenes as well, just by forgetting them. Like, oh, the death of Liet-Kines and his exile beyond the wall. That wall plays a major role. So now you've got to build a big fucking wall in the middle of the desert.

>as a Game of Thrones style dramatic series.
Holy fuck please no.

Because nobody can replace Sting as Feyed

Dune is filmable.

Dune Messiah, children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune on the other hand are probably unfilmable.

so good it has to be pre-planned samefaggotry for reddit karma whoring.