What's your opinion on spanking kids?

What's your opinion on spanking kids?
They've just banned it in my country. It seems like I cant find a single opinion on the matter other than its abuse and something to do with fucking up a child's brain chemistry. I'm interested to know what people think of it anonymously.

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the smacking ban is a proper middle class thing. parents who would gasp over their quinoa salad at the mere notion of laying a finger on their special little prince or princess. I wish people would grow up.

Don't beat your children as punishment
If you can't express/show to your kid why and how what they did was bad and instead have to resort to abuse then you shouldn't be a parent.

Discipline and abuse are totally different things which people nowadays think are the same thing.
Since parents are always being berated for disciplining their children, the kids grow up not respecting authority, which is why there are so many issues with teens and youth in schools

I personally think one firm spank is okay,
but parents with a temper who beat the shit out of their kid is obviously wrong.

Parents need to beat their kids

Came to post this

kids wont listen to just
"now that was naughty and you mustn't do it"
there needs to be a consequence, commonly known as a punishment. no form of punishment is pleasant, thats why its a punishment. even if you resort to a timeout, you could still break down the characteristics of that and call it abuse. A punishments a punishment, they're there to learn from.

>If you can't express/show to your kid why and how what they did was bad
You seem to think children have a greater grasp of reasoning than they're capable of

33 boomer here. I dont know when I was a kid my parents always hit me in the head

If you don't beat your child into a bruised and bloody pulp at least twice a week, they'll grow up to be spoiled brats like Elliot Roger.

So for the good of the planet, batter your children senseless at every opportunity!

kek

Asking for a friend .


Are boners normal when spanking your kids ?

>a friend

Because i can speak to my child without stone cold stunning them.

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You should hit your kids.

But they should only ever cry because it got to that point. Not because of physicsl pain.

Beffore you hit your kids you always need to ask yourself. Are you hitting them so you feel better? Or are you hitting them to help them learn actions have consequence.

If its the former. Then you are doing it wrong.

i think that there's more a problem with them being soft or spoiled. staying inside all the time cause "muh anxiety" but in actual fact its because why would they leave the house and mix with others when they've got a perfect palace at home with all the latest game consoles or expensive streaming service, fatty sugary snacks and parents who "like totally vibe with them". Maybe having a go at kids being hermits isn't something that's the population of Sup Forums is totally against but hey its how I feel.

We've lost the idea that discipline is punitive in favor of it being reformative. Sometimes a kid needs to know that he'll get his ass beat for certain things.

thats a pretty good point

>What's your opinion on spanking kids?

A stun gun is SO much easier.

I'd rather hit them in the head or stab them or whatever.

depends how hot they are.

If You don't spank your kids they will end up being weak and gay, don't believe me?
Try it with your own kids, at least you'll give mine something to laugh at.

I agree with you with everything you said. As a result of having so much technology to distract them, sending them to their rooms or anything similar is never really a punishment.
If you can't physically discipline children, it will become emotional which will just fuck them up and separate the bond between parent and child

Hmm I remember talking to a guy online whose dad stopped spanking him after he realized the son got a boner from it.

Hitting kids is abuse.

You can discipline kids through temporary removal of toys and other luxuries, or time outs etc.

You dont need to hit them for it.

i grew up wanting to get out, hang out with friends as much as possible, thinking my parents were absolute abusive arseholes. that's how youre supposed to feel. then you grow up and realise everything they did they did because they love you. i hate that this new age society is trying to destroy that balance.

I got the willow stick to the ass

Sometimes people with good intentions do bad things. You can appreciate the intentions and still decide to behave differently because its better.

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My dad slapped me off and on for a few years but stopped shortly before I turned 7.

He also put me in a chokehold once at that point. But he didnt choke me, he just held his hand around my throat as he held me pushed against the wall.

I didnt think that hurt me, but when I started PTSD therapy for an unrelated trauma we ended up focusing more on my dad's violence than my other trauma.

So Im against physically harming kids because that shit can leave long lasting effects.

I'll try this soon.

but is it really better?
why not just keep it simple. All i keep hearing about this is that people want to get the same results that smacking had but without smacking. why not just smack?
it was simple, fast and effective.

most parents hit them as a form of stress relief, as you can see in this thread.

Nothing wrong with it. Especially a stiff, bare assed spanking in front of other neighborhood kids.

Sends a message: You don't listen, you get punished. NO one is exempt.

yeah I wouldn't disagree with that. When I was a child it seemed as though that was the motive, just taking out their temper on me. but hey that's just life and what it means to be a parent. they are feeding sheltering and clothing you after all, not to mention putting aside their lives as individuals especially for the m. what more can kids really ask for?

damn straight

Well, with me reasoning usually worked better.

I didnt always even know my behavior was unwanted when I got hit, so it didnt help my behavior much. Just made me on edge, unsure when Id get hit next.

Im still paranoid. Constantly worrying about people killing me. I dont like people walking behind me where I cant keep an eye on them.

So I mean, the violence was quick and easy for my dad, and helped him relieve tension.

But Im still paying the price.

If you have a child and you happen to love them you may want to teach them to feel safe and loved. Led, too, of course. You do need to discipline them. But violence teaches fear and that the world is dangerous.

I've also realized (even from when I hit my siblings) that its really easy to underestimate the impact you have on others when you use violence.

Id like good mental health on top of the good physical health, but some parents only want their kids to have one of those things.

Na ya wrong. You clearly dont have kids

>BOOMER WAY OF THINKING

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if the parents are giving up their own mental well-being for their kids then they're letting their kids walk all over them that's a fact. that's how you get brats who grow up not being able to take no for an answer, treating their friends like dirt, not to mention having fickle friendships, lacking empathy and acting selfishly.

Its not an either/or. Both parents and kids can have good mental health.

People lacking empathy as adults were often treated harshly as kids. I know that was true of my dad, and I think he's a psychopath now.

Getting spanked made me realize I was gay and to associate pain with pleasure
So now I get hot old guys on grindr to come over and spank me and treat me like their kid

If you think spanking your kid is better than actually parenting them and teaching them why what they did was wrong then that's fine. Just know you create people like me, and spanking won't fix me.

do you honest to god think that for example if a three year old goes and steals a cookie, and if you just said to that kid.
"now that was naughty that you stole the cookie, i don't want you to do that anymore." but there's no consequence whatsoever that they wont do it again? even fucking adults aren't wired like that man.

It depends (of course).
When timing is critical and you need their attention, a quick slap to the ass may be useful.
Having a scheduled, planned, sit down session of ass whooping however is known to be ineffective, it causes distress and physical harm without useful benefit.
Always choose the right tool for the job.

Dont get me wrong, you do need discipline. But like, the dog whisperer disciplines a LOT of dogs. He sometimes needs to wrestle them. But he never hits them, and even when he wrestles them he's calm, doesnt lash out, doesnt forward his frustrations to the dogs.

Maintaining that calmness all the time may be asking too much of parents, but it is possible to use other means than hitting.

Any science to back it up ?
Because the science on how bad it is to physically abuse children as a form of “punishment” for bad behaviour is unequivocal.

Maybe you need to join the 21st century. Ok boomer?

Ouch. Really sorry to hear about your abusive father, man.

Is there anything you can do to get independence? Low wage jobs or something?

Thats what I told my mom, but she still gets really upset when I slap her even though she's wrong.

they have to understand why the punishment is taking place or else you will ruin them with it, and they will hate you as a tyrant

I got my ass beat as a child. All it did was cause my issues with authority, people raising their voices and hands up at me.

supervisor at my old job thought it'd be funny to sneak up behind me one day at work, I swung around and elbowed him right in the face.

Theres a very fine line between discipline and abuse. Most don't know the difference and just beat their kids until THEY feel better, Not making the kid feel like bad actions have consequences.

Your parents failed at communicating the reasoning behind the ass beating.

physically punishing a child is a crime.

You’re just a bad parent.
When I was a kid, if given a choice between confiscating my Nintendo or a smack, I’d take the smack. Because it’s the easy option.
And all you learn from it is “my parent is a violent asshole who unfairly beats me”.

You either don’t have kids, or you don’t realise what a terrible relationship you have with them

>Thats what I told my mom, but she still gets really upset when I slap her even though she's wrong.
Or the reasoning was unsound, or the response was disproportionate, etc

Kek I'd pay to see your kids bossing you around in the store. Meanwhile I give my kid that look that says you need to shape up or I'll beat your ass in this store and imagine that my child is so well behaved.

>physically punishing a child is a crime.
Rather depends on where, and how.

>so well behaved.
But hates you , and will let you die, alone, rather than lift a finger to help/visit you .

I hope ruining your kids childhood, and your own future relationship with them, was worth the few minutes silence your threats of violence bought you

Why is no one talking about the fact that a personal choice, for better or worse, taking place in the privacy of the home formerly unbeknownst to others, is now an issue for the public courts?
Let me guess, they can "liberate the child from the abusive household" if this law is broken?

Well the purpose of the beatings was usually more about reducing their own frustations, or making them feel in control again when I hadnt done what they wanted.

The problem was often that I was unable to follow their direction, or that their directions were contradictory.

But they had their excuse ("this is punishment for bad behavior") so they overlooked the reasoning part, much less trying to figure out why I failed to follow their directives.

I think their reactions were more typical for how punishments usually work in reality.

When they did manage to discipline me in a way that taught me things it was usually room arrest or bed arrest. Often for 30 minutes or more. I think the longest I got was 4 hours bed arrest.

>personal choice
That extends to the child aswell, faggot. Do they not have the right to not be physically attacks in their own home?

can confirm, this is what your kid thinks
>threats of violence
don't forget the public part, threat of public humiliation is in there too.
enjoy your tranny son user.

She keeps saying she's an adult woman and doesnt need to be hit. I tell her women dont understand logic, so Ill slap her since her ex isnt around to do it.

It works, she usually shuts up or calms down when shes been yapping before the slap.

That can be said about all forms of domestic violence though.

Note that people still think adults hitting adults is wrong, and kids hitting adults is wrong. They just want adults to hit kids.

Josh Honey, your ramen’s ready

>for better or worse
I guess you missed that part of my post. Also, presumably we are talking about young kids here. Not exactly known for their sound decision making.
Of course they deserve safety. Obviously. Under no circumstances however, does some legislative authority have the right to take your kids away.

Legislative authorities have no rights, if you ask me, but we're well past the point of non-entities being considered people. I digress.

yeah here's an example
had a couchsurfer staying with me. this girl from greece. she was pretty sketchy but wanted to help her. fucking selfish brat, always criticizing me and everything i did for her entire stay even though I wasn't even charging her any money. one day she comes home from her job that I made her get,
"really exciting news, I was walking home and I found this i-phone in the street!"
me: "oh that was lucky, how are you gonna return it?"
her: "Oh no, you see my phone is so broken (cracked screen that was all) so now i have this nice new one"
me: "oh... im really not comfortable with that. i think you should return it."
her: "*giggles* no, no I keep."

next day I bring a friend back with me. i've told her about the phone debacle and she agrees its sketch as fuck. she comes back and sees it on the table. she asks the girl
"is that the phone?"
her: "yes, so glad I found it, user was saying please you must return it but no... i will not listen to user. this phone is mine now. *giggles*"
right in fucking front of me!

next day she comes back from work all excited, telling me how she went to the pawn shop and when they turned on the phone, she giggled as she described the texts she saw from the user begging her to return her phone. she smiled as she told me how the pawn shop owner asked her where it came from and she lied and said it was from her brother. i fucking lost. my. shit. i told her if that phone wasnt returned then she was out of my house by the end of the week. that phone was at the police station the following day.

another example. watch one episode of supernanny. its full of bratty kids whose parents never fucking punish them. its always dont.... dont do that... dont do that... ill punish you.... but no punishment ever happens. the kids run riot. even when supernanny comes the system is one warning and you get a timeout. do they listen after one warning? do they hell.

>Legislative authorities have no rights, if you ask me,
I didn’t .
Your worthless opinions are irrelevant.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Perhaps you could rephrase?

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lol

I know those examples dont involve spanking but I'm just saying, bad behaviour without consequence continues to be bad behaviour. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise.

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>any science
“Yarp - here’s an anecdote totally unrelated to the current topic”

Are you in care?
Is it internet day?

I appreciate the reference, but sadly dont recognize it.

underage kids flooding this thread

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Kids don't have a proper grasp of consequence until they're at least 8 though. It's literally not built into their brains and has to form over time.

>lol

Mom told me to tell you that your ramen’s ready and come eat at the table.
And she said to tell you, when you start to cry and argue, that yes, she knows it’s an online only game. But you have to get yourself to a save point THIS INSTANT or she’ll throw your ramen away and then you’re grounded.
Hey, don’t yell at me - I’m just telling you what she said.

I agree consequences are necessary. You cant teach through love and kisses alone.

I just dont like the violent consequences.

No nintendo for an hour? Youll remember that shit.

predictable
>i don't believe anything unless an authoritative third party tells me it's, true because i am critical thinker

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If you want to change behavior, it's much more effective to reward for good behavior than to punish for bad behavior. Punishing bad behavior will not teach them good behavior, it teaches punishment and likely ways to try to avoid getting caught.

A timeout (negative reinforcement) is much more effective than hitting (positive reinforcement). Getting things like your freedom taken away from you gives you time to reflect on your actions. Getting hit just makes you mad and upset.

>bad behaviour without consequence
Who said that bad behaviour shouldn’t be punished?
You did, just there.

Your problem is that you have the paucity of imagination so imagine only physical abuse is justifiable form of punishment.

If it’s wrong for someone to hit you, it’s wrong for you to hit someone else.

Do you understand that Boomer? Or do you need a coloring book with illustrated examples ?

If I have a daughter I’m going to spank her gently until she learns to love it. If I have a son, I’ll punch him until he becomes tough instead.

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Oh. Someone didnt think the government should legislate what we do in our homes, regarding parents hitting kids.

If you dont want any legislation for what happens in your home, then partners could equally be allowed to hit/rape kill each other, or kids abuse their parents.

I didnt think the poster intended that, but my point was that claiming the country shouldnt install regulations about what adults can do to their kids in their home would have similar bad consequences as legalizing various forms of domestic violence.

>I don’t believe anything unless there is actual evidence to back it up
Unashamedly yes.
Guilty as charged.

In contrast to you, delusional faggot, that just assumes that your own narrow and myopic view of the world is the only view.

Thats so sweet! Thanks bro!

I really appreciate it. I think Ill let you top a little for once tonight.

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a pedo-looking fag doing a public service. peta wouldn't like this, tho...

You have weird fetishes, woman.

I think that overall, the families who would rather take away kid property as punishment, ground their kids as punishment, even no punishment at all if you want, fine, great even. yeah I have my personal opinions that the kids will end up spoiled and sheltered but i respect that the other parents have the right to do that. it just really ticks me off that its been made illegal. respect peoples right to parent how they feel is appropriate. all families do things differently.

Is that why you get hungry and atrophy when you don't eat? Because positive reinforcement is the best way to illicit necessary development? I think both approaches have their place.

honestly, I've got four kids, and spanking is just plain useless. Loads of studies that show that positive reinforcement (adding something, e.g. spanking) is not as effective as negative reinforcement (Taking something, e.g. freedom via timeouts, toys, etc). My oldest is 13 and a half, and they're all great kids.

Right, i love the mental way of punishment bet on it that it have a greater trauma potential you just need to do it the right way.
> my cousin killed himself from this mind-games few years ago

It's not illegal to punish parents. It's illegal to protect kids from being hit.

It's to guarantee their right to safety.

lol very telling that you can't imagine a way of thinking and believing wherein a person develops their own ideas and then keeps or discards them according to how they correspond to reality.
Very telling indeed that the only choices you lay out are personal isolated ignorance, and submission to authority.

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kids probably can abuse their parents but they got a hell of a lot to lose when they're gonna be forced to fly the nest.
I don't believe in this whole we don't treat adults that way so why kids? we treat kids differently to adults for a lot of reasons.

I am against spanking in general, I think it is counterproductive in the vast majority of cases. HOWEVER I believe there are a few instances (and perhaps types of kids) where it is an option. We use “Time Outs” as our main punishment method but I have one kid who I believe is probably 1 in 100. This kid will intentionally cross the line to assert dominance. He will not do it with me (his father) but once a month or so he will with his mother or other siblings. An example would be intentionally breaking his sisters toy just to make her cry. I will calmly say “To your room” and then if the infraction has been acutely severe I will give him one smack on his rear as he runs up the stairs.

>So beat them as reward.