The Alt-Left?

There was some talk of an 'alt-left' in the Sup Forumsleft thread and it was very interesting to me. Like many leftists, I feel increasingly at odds with the mainstream politically correct form of leftism, or liberalism and feel that the left in general is losing sight of its goals through frivolous distractions.

I think it would be interesting and productive for the leftists and social-democrats on Sup Forums to put their heads together and share what they envision the 'alt-left' to be.

Here are some thoughts off the top of my head, that could possibly be applied to an 'Alt-Left Manifesto'.

>We disagree that white people are the cause of all evil in the world; the vast majority of great leftist thinkers, leaders, revolutionaries and academics are white after all. Almost all progressive developments have been due to white people.

>We disagree with putting gender issues at the forefront of contemporary leftism; these things can be discussed once society is made fairer and everyone has the privileged position of being able to discuss their preferred gender, pronouns etc. At the moment, only the most privileged in society can discuss this kind of thing, therefore it is not socialist.


>We must stop turning a blind eye to the malevolent aspects of fundamental Islam. Progressive muslims and peaceful believers are of course welcome and should be given a platform in order to spread a rational and modern Islamic faith, but the left MUST stop making excuses for those that use Islam as an excuse to commit atrocities.

>The left must stop patronising minorities. It must stop telling minorities how they should feel. This is a form of post-modern colonialism or slavery; white people telling minorities that they should feel oppressed and that their futures are hopeless because of the colour of their skin.

>Fat acceptance, HAES must NOT be tolerated. You cannot seize the means of production if you can barely walk a dozen feet without getting out of breath; in a revolutionary situation, the only thing that is going to be seizing is your heart. BEING OVERWEIGHT IS THE TELL TALE SIGN OF AN OVERINDULGENCE IN CAPITALIST CONSUMERISM.

>Military training (or at least knowledge of firearms), martial arts combined with a high level of conditioning and fitness is of utmost importance and not something to be ashamed of as 'macho' or 'gross'. How can the left be a legitimate revolutionary force if everyone is scared of weaponry and out of shape?

Anyone else got any ideas? It would be interesting to get a document together and maybe start spreading it on social media etc. I know for a fact there are a lot of left wingers fed up with the current state of the left.

Please feel free to share any ideas or thoughts you have.

fuck off Alexander and go back to taking your hormones

Who the fuck is Alexander my Republican comrade?

DUH you dumb motherfucker. I've been saying this for years.

After being abused for years for criticizing fellow leftists, at a certain point I just concluded that leftists are just fucking messed up on a fundamental level and gave up trying to even reason and decided to go full right wing. Haven't looked back really.

I used to be a Marxist, now I'm patriotic and pro-military. Pro-cop. Pro-white.

Fuck the left, they chose this route because of the innate flaws at the heart of their thinking and behavior.

True right and left wingers should unite against the retards on both sides, we can kill each other afterwards

I've been feeling this for years, too. It is only recently I have realised there are a lot of people who feel the same way but are scared of speaking up because of the backlash they would face.

Now is the time to organise a large platform and opposition to this bastardised and self-obsessed identity politics leftism.

>abandon tenet's of left wing belief
>we are the alt-left!
Sounds more like you're just scared of admitting you're right wing.

The alt-left is communism, and that's exactly what happened in the 1930s, the end result was both fascism and communism rising together, (mao, hitler, etc.), but so many stupid leftists/communists fear hitler so much that they'd rather ally with the capitalists and get screwed as they've been screwed for decades.

The question is when the alt-left/communists will eventually snap and turn against the capitalists.

This

the alt left already exists and has an outlet on every college campus the world over
literally fuck off

>alt-left
You faggots cant come up with anything new can you?

Fuck off

Disagreeing with tumblr-tier 'socialism' doesn't make you right wing. You sound just as bad as they do with their black and white 'literally Hitler' thinking.

Except in OP you identified the "alt-left" with what you don't believe rather than what you do. Frankly, you strip away what you've taken away and you're left with very little. There's nothing there but abstract ideals like "solidarity" with no conception of how to implement it.

I agree with this poster and you to an extent. What we need is an alt left. A left wing style government that loses the anti-white, anti-military, pro-degenerate shit. It's be socialist and nationalist. We could call it national socialism.

You can't be alt left. You're already defined as a manarchist or brocialist. Nobody in the left will listen to you. Alt right worked because it forcefully took over the establishment of a dying movement. SJW neoliberal progressivism isn't dying though. It may be a little past the peak but that's it. Try again after Trump's presidency.

That's just right speak but from a different angle

You will never get the left to drop it's current views because leftism at it's core is a rejection of western ideals to be replaced with new ideals
The founders of america were all left wing for example

You can't tell them to drop the gender revolution because that's something to them that must change
What you don't understand is that everyone in the west has a really comfy life so the only thing left for them to change are imagined threats
They can support fatties quite easily because they're simply victims of a capitalist society
It's so easy to work around your logic it's not even funny

The left hates traditions and always will
Islam is not traditional to the west so they support it

>rising together
Hitler HATED communists
Nazis HATED communists
Communists and Capitalists were the decadent whores in Berlin

I think most people who become disillusioned by the idiocy of the left atm become mixed moderates (not centrists).

my political views used to be leftist while supporting some conservative ideas, but now I'm probably leaning towards the right. I took the election test and I actually tested for Trump over the other candidates by 4%.

Alexander Jahans, revolutionary Maoist and one of the leading thinking-heads of the modern revolutionary left.

I wouldn't say I'm a brocialist. I fully support women's rights and want them to be truly equal in the cause. I don't want them being told they are oppressed and that they should be hateful and mistrusting of men.

The left spends all its time telling minorities and women that they are oppressed, that they are powerless, and they start to believe it and feel hopeless and bitter. As I said in the OP, this is a form of control and post-modern psychological colonialism.

Why don't you just stop trying to find a group that suits you and just think for yourself


This is the problem, people wearing their beliefs like an accessory or a team jersey. Just shut the fuck up, vote, and raise your kids, there is no hope for anyone else and trying to come up with the hippest freshest new clique won't change that

Go back to your Trump General containment thread.

Sounds like centrism to me lad.

what makes you left wing?
9/10 leftists are economically illiterate

you dumb dumb dumb nigger

there is an alt-left and there is a leftypol, we don't want people like you. so many fucking spooks in the shit you wrote.

required reading for leftypol is max stirner, he is the ayn rand of leftypol.

Agreed. Alt-Right/Left Alliance vs Cuckservatives and the Regressive Left

Do you believe men and women are equal?
Do you believe black and whites are equal?

If so that's why they seem them as oppressed and powerless
The fact that everyone isn't a white male and not enough women go into and not enough blacks are successful is why they think the way they do
They believe everyone is truly equal so the only reason unequal outcomes could possibly occur is because of oppression

He probably just supports workers which isn't even a left/right dichotomy anymore just like monarchy vs. liberalism aren't part of the dichotomy anymore

You need to start seriously getting into the heads of the people on the left
Their logic isn't unsound it's just built on a lie

see them*
go into stem*

There already is a "alt-left", they call it the alt-right.

There is nothing alternative with beeing a marxist or socialist today. SJWism is the essence of marxism. Read Stalin or Lenin or whatever and they'll discuss the "problematic situation of russian domination in the USSR". Just like the modern SJWs do.

This is the nature of leftist socialism. It is allways internationalist because it's jewish. Nationalism is from the right and the only real basis of solidarity. No coup will be staged on "worker solidarity" which is why it is promoted and ethinicity is shamed and discredited in socialism.

Alt-left is as much "anti-system" as the antifa is. That is they are the systems gatekeepers.
Not suporting the modern paradigm just means you're not a "lefty", you've just not understood it yet.

As long as you support arming the proletariat I'm on board

I'm a feminist SJW from a liberal arts university and I agree with your points.

If you read the OP I say that I want a population of people who know how to fight, and to remove the left's fear of weaponry.

This. The few sane leftists are jumping ship to the right.