Why do I bother praying if I feel like God has abandoned me and doesn't care about my prayers...

Why do I bother praying if I feel like God has abandoned me and doesn't care about my prayers? I can't help but feel as if I deserve to be miserable and lonely. I'm so sad and angry, I don't want to be this way. I just want God to love me and make me feel happy and good. Am I asking too much?

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Your problem is that you rely on others to make yourself happy and content.

You need Hitchens, not Jesus

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First comment is right. Praying only serves as a common interest. If you can't start a conversation try to talk about going to church, praying... Just don't sound like a wierdo.

>I just want God to love me
He already does. Love's not a strong enough word though, because God absolutely treasures you.
>I can't help but feel as if I deserve to be miserable and lonely.
The voice that reminds you of all your sin is the holy spirit knocking on your door, convicting you, reminding you to seek forgiveness from God. The voice that is defeatist and telling you're a piece of shit and unworthy of God's love is the great accuser aka satan who wants you ineffective.

There's a reason why smart people don't believe in god, and why stupid people do.
Losing your religion is just a natural part of growing up, and you're at that stage now.

God says, "You were too fucking needy to listen to so I cut you off for good measure."

>Asking for spiritual advice on a mongolian horse yorgurt making forum

The only "stupid" people are the judgmental ones. There's inherent value to sticking to a faith system -- it allows for easy answers to the unanswerable questions that plague us all.

>yorgurt

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because your God supposedly planned everything. praying to Him does not make sense and will not change anything.

do you want change in your life? You must ask what all the deities began with

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>I just want God to love me and make me feel happy and good. Am I asking too much?
Why do you ask god for something that can be fixed with an onahole and some lube? You think that asshole have nothing better to do than to suck your tiny dick every day? Who the fuck do you think you are? Mother fucking Theresa or something? Fuck you! You're going straight to hell, you ungratefull scum!

so .... do you want a change in your life?

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"If you are stupid and do not wish to learn - just become a slave to some fat boy-fucking asshole in a dress with a cross hanging on his neck. Because he has all the answers for all your questions. Just don't forget to wash your asshole before every Q/A sessions. And bring money. That's important."
^ That's what your religion is all about.

A bit simplistic and hyperbole, but sure. At least a religious person doesnt have to suffer under the eternal questions of what life is and what one should do in it.

This.
God doesn't cause the misery you're complaining of. He allows it. Never to punish.
Usually to lead you to ask for his help and come closer to him

life arose because particles of The Great TO broke away from him. They lost contact with him and decided to give meaning to their existence

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Whatever floats your boat buddy

you give your gods human qualities. Why?

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"Slaves are happy being slaves, because they don't have to think about anything and will have their heaven after death, as long as they keep being the dumbass cattle they are".
I really hope there is no afterlife for your own sake. Because stupid people really hate when someone lies to them. And they'll be sure to make afterlife for people like you, the preachers, the real hell, much worse that the one you spread around.

Im not religious by any measure

The afterlife doesnt matter to any of us, regardles of faith. We're all dead by then.

Why the fuck do you lie about it then?

>doesn't know what yorgurt is

slaves are happy if their desires are satisfied. People, by God's design, were not to be slaves. Raj is a place where you can do whatever you want. and people have limited the paradise themselves. you are not even allowed to sit wherever you like.

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find a better god than the bullshit bastard walmart of religion that is yahweh
>praying to a sheepherding war god that hates people for wearing the wrong fiber composition clothes
lul

>easy answers
yeah they're easy but they're wrong. Since when is the easy way the right way?
Religion is emotional not logical.

There is no god, user. You have no more purpose than the birds in the sky.

It does not matter.

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What did I lie about? I was simply offering a possible justification for faith.

If you try to live your life by "logic" and discard all emotion I can guarantee you that you will live a very unfilfilling and sad life.

People always say Jesus was a war mongering man of action, why is this? Was it South Park's influence?

Good job convincing him in a mature and thoughtful way. People always change their minds after being insulted.

Wondering and learning are not suffering.
Religious people have to constantly have to live under a dark cloud of "what if?" and worry if they're sinning, and worry abput being tortured forever for stepping out of line. Being free of that is the truest form of freedom.

>but they're wrong
You cannot prove that any more than a religious person can prove that they're right. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Fair point, but I'd still argue that seeking answers that you'll never find is a form of suffering. That is, of course, unless you manage to embrace the chaos.

And not everyone can embrace the chaos -- but that doesn't make them "stuupid".

I didn't say discard all emotion. I just mean don't let it determine your view on something so important because you'll be easily manipulated. That's childish and irrational, like a woman.
Believe in something because it's true, not because you wish it to be true.

Only a very stupid person would be insulted by truth. And anyone who would "selflessly" waste their time on a stupid person - does that only to gain any possible profit from said person.

we are all just detached fragments of the whole that have gained 'consciousness'. if you want you will keep it, if not then you will come back. Until finally you want to break away again ..... and so the wheel goes on

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>That's childish and irrational, like a woman.
Ok I'm done here. Go back to your cave.

Happiness comes from within, nigga. If you can't be happy knowing you've been the best you you can be, you're not going to be happy.

>Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
Yes it is. Once, a burning bush talked to me. So did a talking snake. Also, I've met witches, giants, sea monsters and dragons. Do you believe me?
Why do you believe someone who said this 2000 years ago?

>Discarding a point because it's offensive
Yep. That's a religious person all right.

I remember when I was raised as a Muslim and praying one night afraid of what might happen if God saw that I stopped believing. It was at that moment, with my face on the fucking ground, that I realized how stupid I was to do this out of fear and how I needed to face the possibility that I was talking to myself all this time.

You answer your own prayers. Want to be happy? Manifest it yourself and change your world while you can still draw breath.

Faith doesn't have justification. It is only a means to control stupid masses, that at some point will (already does btw, ex.: "muslims", "jews") eliminate anyone who isn't a "proper" part of it. Whatever "good" faith might do, it does much more bad, from simple lie to global stagnation.

Faith must be replaced by pure and unbiased education.

you see my son, its not that god has abandoned you, he just doesn't like people that watch anime

Life doesn't have to abide by transactional logic. Don't let the zeitgeist of economics get the best of you, being selfless and charitable without expecting anything in return is absolutely possible (and encouraged for mental health).

No. The fact that humans didn't realise that we're surrounded by electromagnetic radiation until the 19th century doesnt mean that it didnt exist before that. It's a logical fallacy -- which is immensely ironic considering your "logical" stance on things.

Hey, I said you could return to your cave now. You're dismissed of your duties.

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What about satan? Does he love anime? I kind of look for a higher being to pray to who accepts anime.

he only likes satanime

>educamactionz will solve this!

most people DON'T WANT TO LEARN you dumb fuck. Education changes nothing even the ancient Greeks realized this that is why a "education" was tapered down as people proved themselves to be unable.

With a $100 million and a team of the best pedagog's and psychologist you will only see the slightest improvement in 'socioeconomicly disadvantaged youths" using that for gifted children would create much better results.

Fucking education worshipping shitstains.

>unbiased education.
There is no such thing outside of the natural sciences and you know it. Anything within the humanities will always be biased -- be it psychology, law or history.

I named my penis God.

If god cared about anyone or anything, then children wouldn't be getting Ebola, but they do, so he's not the kind of God I would respect.

>The fact that humans didn't realise that we're surrounded by electromagnetic radiation until the 19th century doesnt mean that it didnt exist before that. It's a logical fallacy -- which is immensely ironic considering your "logical" stance on things.
It wasn't the Bible that taught us about electromagnetism. We don't know everything but we know a hell of a lot more than we did 2000 years ago. It makes no sense to believe iron age mythology in the 21st century.
The only logical fallacy is your stance: "we don't know everything, so lets not even try"

>Life doesn't have to abide by transactional logic
It always does. It's just not always about money or stuff. Some people are wired in a way that they feel good making someone else happier. But they never do that for the sake of another. And for the ones being helped, they are good only because they are convenient to have around.
Even in love, they consider their partner to be a part of themselves, and that is the only reason they might do something heroic or selfsacrificing for them.

People aren't good, they are egoistical. And weird.

what a petty reason not to believe in god

God isn't a solution for happiness, it's an excuse for meaning. Any entity above our level will never do anything for you, even if they do exist. Any scripture they may have given our ancestors has been iterated so beyond recognition that it is for all purposes written by man entirely at this point. There is no value in contemporary religion in the modern era.

If you're sad, find meaning in the nothingness. Create your own purpose, find some stupid bullshit that makes you happy and commit yourself to it. That's exactly what religion was made for, but we're also in an era of revolution, of entrepeneurship, of creative expression. We aren't hunters and farmers in need of social guidance anymore, we all know how fucking weird and sad this world is. At least now we can break away from cults and create our own individualized meaning in life, rather than accepting someone else's as our own.

Lies.
Logic is unbiased.
Pure and complete facts are unbiased (not talking about history here).
Psychology is unbiased, as long as you keep yourself outside.
Languages can be biased, but as long as tought with full explanation - they won't be.
Everything beyound that is simply not required in education.
I mean you're free to study literature or art on your own, but compulsory education must be completely unbiased.

You're completely missing the point, and to be frank I'm getting tired of trying to explain it to you. I'm sorry.

To be honest I noticed the flaw in my own argument as soon as i posted it. I acknowledged that it is transactional by pointing to the potential mental health benefits.

I have no good argument against what you're saying. People are indeed weird.

There is literally no evidence of a god.

All "evidence" comes from man-made sources.
Discover your own spirituality. There is no Abrahamic God. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but it's important you realize what's going on now.

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>Pure and complete facts are unbiased
Yes, but as our current post-truth society illustrates identifying them is incredibly difficult.

>Psychology is unbiased
Dude, the entire field is up in arms right at this very moment due to the replicability crisis. Psychology is fraught with bias. If you're curious you can google "What’s next for psychology’s embattled field of social priming" for a neat article in Nature that explains it neatly.

>Languages can be biased, but as long as tought with full explanation - they won't be
Wittgenstein would kill you for that statement

Love, Friendship, Family.
These are all logical.

Space-daddy isn't.

No. They are all deeply emotional ties. If they were logical we would be able to discard and create them at will.

God or no God, i'm just trying to grill over here!

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Stupid people don't want to learn. I'm not talking about those retards. They can all die in a fire for all I care.
And you don't just start educating people properly and have results by the next year, you idiot.

The proper education must start from birth. Not those "look at this cute little ducky, quack-quack" bullshit, dumbass parents do to their kids, but a real proper education when a kid of 3 years old is able to speak tens of languages and solve student-tier tasks. Damn, I wish I were one of those kids.

>we would be able to discard and create them at will.
people cut themselves off from family all the time, sure it's painful
>and create them at will
you mean like having a baby? XDXD

The God you believe in doesn’t exist

Think about what the bible says about God, he is reflection of His creation. His creation (the universe) is cold and impartial to your existence.


There is not point praying because he’s listening but won’t reactor act.

He is a morally neutral observer that is it. Find your own light.

>sure it's painful
And that's not emotional, somehow?

They are logical because they serve as functions for the survival of our genes, our most primal driving force. Not being able to discard them at will is highly logical.

((the great accuser))

One could however argue that religion serves the same purpose, but only for the weak-minded.

The point is there have been successful breaks from family. We can discard it.