Enterprise

What went wrong?

You can't even blame reviews since net review culture was still in its infancy at the time.

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Archer was a cuck.

It was shit.

It opened with Rod Stewart

Graphics worse than TNG, DS9 and voyager

It's a comfy show and the premise is interesting, but it's not really Star Trek. Star Trek nerds hated it because of that and people who weren't Star Trek fans weren't going to watch it in the first place.

not a single likeable character in the crew, literally all dicks.

ENT took the criticisms of Voyager onboard and decided to return Trek to its roots by giving us another exploratory show with a new Enterprise. The first season lost a lot of die-hard Trek fans because of small, annoying decisions like ripping off Spock and making the only vulcan onboard the first officer AND science officer, giving the opening theme lyrics instead of being an orchestral piece like all the others, retconning appearances and events for short-term excitement but no regard for the integrity of the series as a whole, etc.
Basically, it didn't feel at all like Star Trek except for the moments where it would unoriginally recycle Star Trek. Nothing was new or fresh until season 3 with the Xindi arc (and most people will tell you that season 3 and 4 were the better two seasons), and by then it was too late to save the show.

the most horrific theme tune of all time, nobody got past it to see the show itself.

Kinda depends on what kind of fan you were.

My dad was a big fan of the original series when he was growing up and casually enjoyed TNG, and loved Enterprise.

But if you're talking about people who go to conventions and shit, then yeah, you're probably correct.

I'll clarify though that I really do like ENT, just answering OP's question.
My favourite season was 3, and I think it easily ranks among the top half of seasons across Star Trek.

I loved that show. It introduced me to Star Trek(I am 21 years old)

That intro killed it, its not really that bad a show and it had good ratings compared to tv shows now

Braga and Berman of course.

i...i really liked the intro. I actually got emotional seeing mankinds journey, it's discoveries and voyager spirit...
i thought the music really complemented it

Not enough bullshit fixes for bullshit problems. In the words of Voltaire, "Bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. That's the way we do things lads, we're making shit up as we wish."

Star Trek nerds love their last-minute problem resolutions, and this show didn't have that. Characters had to work through out solutions and they couldn't rely on plotonium to fix something.

Basically, if you're a fan of DS9, then you hated this show. If you're a fan of Voyager, then you're retarded. If you're a fan of TNG, then there's about a 50% chance that you liked this show.

The visuals were excellent, the song is not. Nor is it at all Star Trek.

The original intro was pretty good, and the song fit.

The remixed version was garbage.

>"Bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. That's the way we do things lads, we're making shit up as we wish."
m'nigga.
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>Nor is it at all Star Trek.

yeah, i think that was the biggest problem. I think it was offputting to most old time star trek fans. It didn't bother me that much though

>If you're a fan of Voyager, then you're retarded
wanna fight irl, cunt?

>mad
>at voyager

When the first season came out it wasn't even called 'Star Trek: Enterprise', just 'Enterprise'.

They added 'Star Trek:' in the second season.

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>If you're a fan of Voyager, then you're retarded
I'll kick your ASS bro!

Trip was very likeable you idiot.

This.

Archer was wrong. How the fuck did he ever make Captain (oh yeh because of daddy).

Seriously, he berates his own crew at every given oppertunity with sarcastic comments if they do anything he doesn't like and expects everyone to follow his Jesus level morals (even new alien species he's met for 5 seconds.

He retreats to his cabin all the time to sulk like a little kid and plays with a ball. He values his fucking dog over his crew. I could go on and on.

Voyager had plenty of shows that could have been brilliant but just dropped the ball at some point. Like the episode where they find a holonovel about Chakotay and the other Maquis taking over the ship.

Enterprise was my favourite Trek

Yes, but it's still Star Trek.
That's like saying that The Empire Strikes Back isn't Star Wars because it wasn't in the original title.

Star Trek series begin with a gorgeous orchestral piece. Deliberately subverting that creates an immediate dissonance. The opening credits don't feel like Trek, at all.

Same desu Enterprise is top tier comfykino

I miss my beagle. They're lovable little shits.

OFFICIAL Sup Forums STAR TREK FANBASE POWER RANKINGS

1. ENT
2. VOY

POWER GAP

50. TNG

POWER GAP

100. TOS

POWER GAP

10001. DS9

ENT fans are the coolest and will always discuss their show in friendliest way, there are hardly any VOY fans and they tend to keep to themselves, TNG fans are very pretentious at times, TOS fans are all trying too hard and DS9 fans are niggers who constantly spew shit at every other fanbase and will never offer any real discussion about the show

I hate the theme song too but the show itself is great.

That dog is probably dead by now.

>DS9 fans are niggers who constantly spew shit at every other fanbase and will never offer any real discussion about the show
He posts again, without irony.

They put it on a network no one watched. I couldn't even see it till the second season. While I think fan criticism is a tad overblown they could have done more. Also, some of the characters are boring.

And Picard was a dick in the first season(I don't know about the later seasons, he was so annoying I stopped watching it)

Reminder that Sisko is worst captain:

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>Trip Tucker
>the second most likeable guy in all of Star Trek after Kirk
>not likeable

Was better than Voyager at least.
>If you're a fan of Voyager, then you're retarded
audibly keked

Not him but Voyager's problem was they were on the other side of the universe where you'd think resources would be scarce but the show didn't have a beat-up look to it. Everything looked well-stocked and fresh every week and they'd constantly lose crewmen and they'd magically keep being replaced despite being on a relatively small ship.

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I was agreeing with you and adding that the producers in the first season tried to do something new, but went back on it in subsequent seasons.

Every Star Trek show and movie has had Star Trek in the title. You can't compare it to Star Wars.

No, he's off on a farm of a friend far away, where he can run around and play in large fields.

Fucking hell, I was so happy when they casted Scott Bakula and they fucked it all.

Also couch casting Jolene Titfakes, not giving us any original content up until season 3-4.
The Temporal cold war thing was mismanaged and Rick Berman was so full of himself that he alone wrote that abysmal last episode instead of letting other, more talented people, work on it.

This, mixed with the poor results and direction of Nemesis (hiring guy who never directed a movie before and generally disrespected the whole cast and the franchise) caused the Franchise to explode.

The Trek Management of the time fucking killed Star trek.

... I... I didn't say that?

Agreed. I prefer it to VOY and TOS.

It's not like there's no resources in the Delta Quadrant. There's whole episodes addressing the issue. They get the airponics bay up and running at the start so they can reduce replicator use (everyone has limited replicator rations to conserve energy) and they have to hunt for power sources occasionally as they deplete their supply. They also have episodes where they upgrade Voyager's systems with alien tech and shit to improve power efficiency etc. I agree the ship could have maybe looked a bit more beat up but I just assume every so often they'd land on a planet and do major maintenance like they showed in that one episode.

Regarding the crew, Janeway and Chakotay estimated they could probably keep Voyager running with about 100 people, they started with 150 and only lost around 20. The only thing I don't think they ever addressed was the fact that at the start of the show they talk about how they don't have photon torpedoes to spare, yet later on they regularly fire full spreads without hesitation. They also lose a lot of shuttles, but I guess they have the ability to make new ones as they created the Delta Flyer.

Dude, it was terrible.

The last straw which made Trek go away from TV.

Why are people so much in denial about the show lately.

Don't give me any Voyager Bullshit.

Enterprise, on its own, forget all the better shit before, was unwatchable.

Of course it was bolder in the end when they knew it didn't matter anymore. They tried to get back all those people that had bailed. And I think it was a huge troll because of the very last episode.

But it was really shit. The characters, most everything, and I really wanted to like, back then I was primed on Quantum Leap reruns that were constantly airing on USA.

Even as a young sci fi geek with no life, I and many others just couldn't find a reason to keep watching.

>this post formatting

I loved ENT

>I just assume
Well good for you, but they never indicated any of this in the show. They were never shown to take damage, never mind repair it. They said in the pilot there's "no way to create more" photon torpedoes once they use up the 38 on board but they appear out of the ether. Sure, they can create a delta flyer, but why would you assume they are capable or would be motivated to exactly recreate their missing shuttles with exact replica materials?

The easy answer is they were just hacks who didn't care about continuity.

I'm just so sure people won't read anything that seems too long.

I thought the boldness was a down season, outside Shran who was always the top of every season. Season 1 was pretty okay, fuckin around TOS style except with even less clues as to what was going on around them. Just discovering shit for earth. If they had let the fucking tone of the show stay still for more than one season maybe they could have nailed it. Instead they just producer'd the fuck out of it. Focus group'd to shit, I imagine.

>they never indicated any of this in the show
It's a logical assumption because they showed in the show that they would land on planets and do major engineering maintenance/repairs (They had a whole episode dedicated to it, 'Nightingale' I think). It makes sense that they would do it regularly but not necessarily make an episode out of it every time.

Also the ship wouldn't necessarily take a whole lot of physical damage to the hull in the first place, most damage is absorbed by shields.

My bad. Meant for Yeah but what about the birdhead?

>show with nigger captain has nigger fanbase
Really makes you think.

>They also have episodes where they upgrade Voyager's systems with alien tech and shit to improve power efficiency etc. I agree the ship could have maybe looked a bit more beat up
The Xindi arc does voyager better than voyager. The enterprise gets beat to shit and by the end of the season its barely hanging together.
I get that they didn't want to mess with much continuity and keep it more episodic, but you know show some progression.
I would have liked at least a little bit shown between seasons. Missed opportunity to not havr voyager look like the enterprise from the E^2 that had been lost in the expanse for a century and its been retrofitted with all kinds of additional tech.
You know, have a big chunk of the ship replaced with borg tech with the exposed superstructure and green lights. Maybe one of the nacels is replaced with some salvaged federation ship that they found in the delta quadrant.
Whatever, voyager is missed opportunities: the series.

>You know, have a big chunk of the ship replaced with borg tech with the exposed superstructure and green lights.
They had that for a few episodes then they got rid of it, made up some shit about how it was interfering with Voyager's systems so they had to remove it. I guess people didn't like the way it looked.

>oh no fans don't like how it looks
>better compromise the story to please these autists
Cucks

TNG > DS9 > ENT > VOY > TOS

>inb4 pleb
For every astoundingly good episode there were 15 hours of utter shit. TOS has the best episodes of any series but the series as a whole is the weakest.

Voyager should've gone pretty much like A Year of Hell
>Stranded
>Limited resources
>The ships gets more and more damaged as the years pass
>Borg Space
>No hope
>Janeway makes an alliance
>The Borg pretty much rebuild and reinforce Voyager
>It's a fucking battleship now
>They also have universal assemblers
>Voyager cut ties with the Borg
>Seven manages to detach the whole ship from the Collective although the Borg are still chasing Voyager from across the Quadrant although they're not that serious about it
>Unimatrix Zero happens
>Voyager is a fucking menage now
>They chase it even more
>Admiral Janeway comes back in time to avert the assimilation of the Alpha Quadrant.
>They manage to destroy the Transwarp hub
>The Borg collective is fucked up as a result
>They have the time to prep for the invasion now thanks to the tech installed and studied on Voyager.
>Voyager ends
>this is actually a prequel for Star Trek Nemesis, which doesn't feature an evil clone, but a full fledge invasion from the Borg.
>Picard has to deal with everything
>He probably dies in the end by saving or destroying the borg or survives saved by Q, who brings all over the universe(s) to witness creation.
>TNG ends.
>Star trek is free to go where ever it wants.

>Kirk
>likeable
(you)

That probably went over most viewers heads though.

Although Star Trek can be intellectual, most of it's fans are normie tier manchildren.

Trip is probably one of the most normal characters to ever be in Star Trek and most relatable/likable.

>Voyager should've gone pretty much like A Year of Hell
Or Battlestar Galactica.

>its a porthos episode
:3c

I tried to eatch ENT a few years ago. Couldn't get past S1E03.
Hated the intro
Hated Hoshi
Couldn't tell first officer and security chief apart, or remember their names.
Vulcan love slave/sex object inferior to jadzia and tits of 9.
Phlox was kind of interesting, but couldn't make up for the rest.

>Hated Hoshi
you take that back

I can understand why you didn't make it past the 3rd episode that one was particularly bad. There were quite a few terrible episodes in the first season unfortunately.

You just have to sit through a bunch of eps til Shran shows up then that's motivation enough to finish.

it had the comfiest uniforms

Pockets, revolutionary.

currently rewatching it

actually liked Season 1. It has very few terrible episodes. All in all it's okay. It also has a lot of fan service in it. it feels like a modern approach of Enterprise.

What went wrong? I think by the time people really demanded continuity, while Rick Berman wanted to keep doing it the old way with "resets" every episode.

Also people got so assmad over the intro. Like really really autistic mad because it didn't have classical music. (hint: it's actually the best Enterprise intro)

Enterprise gets too much hate in here. It's actually levels ahead of Voyager.

>if you're a fan of DS9,

I thought he died.

The imagery of the ENT intro is by far the best of any Star Trek, but the music is a big turnoff. A classical orchestral piece probably wouldn't have fit with it that well either, but they could have found something in between. Definitely shouldn't have had vocals, at least.

This is the only Voyager idea I think I've ever liked.

You should have kept watching. She died in the last season in a hilarious way: fell off a cliff on the Xindi planet in slooooow motion.

ENT uniforms were designed a bit like military BDUs minus the camo, instead of on TNG which had the "ugliest leisure suits ever" or in Abramsverse Trek with the football jerseys.

Yes, ENT uniforms were the best.

What, Hoshi doesn't die

>>He probably dies in the end by saving or destroying the borg or survives saved by Q, who brings all over the universe(s) to witness creation.
>>TNG ends.

>Picard gets a monumental funeral, the whole federation is grateful for his sacrifice
>Riker gets command of the Enterprise, finally decides to marry Deanna
>As the Enterprise, now fully repaired, exits space dick, we hear the voice of Picard
>Space, the final frontier, these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, its continuing mission, to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new lives and civilisations. To boldly go where no one, has gone before.
>The Enterprise goes to warp, the star trek tune is about to kick in but, we hear Q.
>Come on Jean Luc, it's going to be FUN.
>TNG tune starts, credits roll.

I was once a die hard card carrying Enterprise hater. But I've said it once and I'll say it again. If you haven't got into Enterprise yet because it looks like shit then you have to do what I did and watch it a certain way.

Start with the very first and last episodes of Season 2 only. Because they are pretty essential to a later, larger plot line.

Then watch all of Season 3 which is the best season of all. Then follow it up with Season 4.

After that you will be fully invested in the characters and you can go back and watch the weaker early episodes at your leisure and actually enjoy them instead of just hunkering down and suffering through them to get to the good stuff.

At the end of Season 4 you will wish there were more episodes and luckily for you there will be because you saved the early seasons for later.

That's actually kind of smart, huh.

I liked it a lot actually might be because it was my first trek but still.
Also archer,trip and t'pol were all nice characters.
Have to say rest of the bridge officers were a bit boring but still all in all 7-8/10 for me.

Don't listen to the Anons that will tell you to simply watch it chronologicaly. They think you have to suffer through the early seasons when it's completely unnecessary to do that.

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Don't listen to the Anons that will tell you to watch it in some stupid arbitrary order. They'regiant pussies, and can't handle investment into a show.

Check again dudebro

they even had an empty torpedo tube funeral

Why do people make shit up?

>Thinking watching Star Trek makes you tough.

How close do you think she was to simply giving in and having eternal intespecies sex with that super ugly alien dude?

-Shit casting.
-A neat premise, but the writing was as vacuous as the cast. "Oh no, we're in trouble! Wait - thank goodness the Vulcans are here to save us." :P
-As others have said here, horrible, horrible intro theme.

Are you a shitpost nigger?

He never leaped.

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>ENT uniforms were the best.
The TOS movie uniforms were objectively the best. But ENT is a close second for actually being functional.
I mean I get what they were going for with the TNG pajamas but jesus, I wonder how many people didn't join starfleet because the uniforms are aesthetically offensive.

Huh? Does the thought of your waifu being defiled in a hundred different ways by an ugly, likely enlarged and deformed alien penis for the next hundred years trigger you?

I mean you can't see she didn't at least think about it.

oh the middle school memories... i watched this scene over and over desperate for a nip slip that would never exist

After watching the intro a hundred times I can't be the only one here who has grown to like the song ironically.

>I didn't watch this series because "the intro wasn't how it should be"

how autistic are trek tards?

>tfw crackhead t'pol in the later episodes.

I had a weird reaction to it, when I originally watched it live, I didn't mind, then I grew to hate it, now I don't mind it again.