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Why would he?

Someone explain to me who this Tom Bombadil fellow is and why he's so strong.

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wouldnt that have made a great movie?

nobody knows, tolkien left it deliberately vague because he liked the mystery of it

there are dozens and dozens of completely retarded headcanons, however.

kek
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Tom isn't capable of destroying the Ring. Why would he be?

Isn't he the first living "human" in middle earth? Iirc Elrond called him "the oldest" or something like that

I think OP means, "why didn't he just take it to Mt. Doom instead of Frodo." He did demonstrate that the ring had absolutely no power over him.

He is nature personified

Why didn't they give the ring to talion, he was connected to the fucker that made it, they could figure the shit out

>make your own magic ring
>become a master of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
>kill yourself
>go to the same spirit realm as Sauron
>kill his spirit using BJJ
>return to middle earth
>be king of the universe

he came before Men and Elves, which suggests he's possibly one of the Ainur. There's no where else in Tolkien's cosmology where he would fit, but it's never explicitly said that he is one.

that is certainly one of the less retarded theories, yes

Would you get seduced?

I like the he's a mind wiped morgoth theory

i'd thrust my "finger" into his "one ring" if you're picking up what i'm putting down

Elrong called him the oldest and fatherless. If oldest wasn't enough, the "fatherless" should tip you off that it's Eru (having no father in this case means he was not created by anyone, which means he is the creator).

>the "fatherless"
elrond was actually suggesting that Tom is black

this

These threads are golden

Because he was gay and would've used it as a Prince Albert instead of throwing it into Mount Doom.

Tom isn't the creator. Like this user said , Tom is sort of the personification of middle-Earth which is why the Ring doesn't have power over him. But that doesn't mean Tom could overpower Sauron.

Name 11 more Reddit LotR characters

Being this much of a plebiscite

why didnt the ewoks fly the ring to hogwarts?

Tom is basically the planet, he doesn't give a shit about what's happening, he just is there.

Even if Sauron wins it would make no difference to him, and million years later some other shit will happen and Sauron will fall but Bombadil still won't give a shit.

What was the point of Tom Bombadil? It's like some bad filler saga in a cartoon. If they had him appear in the movie I think it would have not worked unless he helps the fellowship at the end of the first movie... Btw, was Tolkien a pothead?

because he is buissy fucking his 10/10 nymph girlfriend 24/7 while singing nonsensical shit like the drunk autist he is.
It's like he's some sort of NEET discoverying some irl magic cheat code

What was Aragorns tax policy ?

I always thought this theory was add odds with Tolkien's writing about Morgoth's ring.

>“Tom Bombadil is not an important person—to the narrative. I suppose he has some importance as a ‘comment’… [H]e represents something that I felt important, though I would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely. I would not, however, have left him in, if he did not have some kind of function. I might put it this way. The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have taken ‘a vow of poverty,’ renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless. It is a natural pacifist view, which always arises in the mind when there is a war. But the view of Rivendell seems to be that it is an excellent thing to have represented, but that there are in fact things with which it cannot cope; and upon which its existence nonetheless depends. Ultimately only the victory of the West will allow Bombadil to continue, or even to survive. Nothing would be left for him in the world of Sauron… He is … Botany and Zoology (as sciences) and Poetry as opposed to Cattle-breeding and Agriculture and practicality.” (Letters 179)

You're a pleb who simply didn't get it

>been possessed for decades
>curse is lifted
>he is strong enough to go to wage a war few weeks later
lmao

When not worn, does the ring have any effect on the outside world besides people? Like if it's buried underground does it change the probability of it being dug up?

His chapters also have some of the best passages:

>There were fortresses on the heights. Kings of little kingdoms fought together, and the young Sun shone like fire on the red metal of their new and greedy swords. There was victory and defeat; and towers fell, fortresses were burned, and flames went up into the sky. Gold was piled on the biers of dead kings and queens; and mounds covered them, and the stone doors were shut; and the grass grew over all.

...

there it is

No. Humans woke up after the elves, Bombadil predates the Children of Eru waking.

Yes. It wants to be found. The Hobbits have an inherent resistance to magic anyway but their innocence and simple lifestyle meant the ring didn't really have much hold over them. Bilbo has the ring, right, but all Hobbits want is a cosy room, friends, family and food. He already had that. The Ring couldn't trick him into chancing his luck and getting, I dunno, an Empire or a Crown which would ultimately end up with him dying or losing the ring to an Orc or something who'd take it to Mordor.

Even if the Ring was somehow, theoretically, locked away forever. Sauron would eventually take over the world without the ring, it'd just take longer. Even if the Elves were safe, their fugue would eventually make them all leave.

Bombadil was intentionally left vague in many aspects but we are given a semblance of his power (even though power levels do not work in Tolkien literature).
When they are gathered in the council of Elrond one of the possibilities discussed is leaving the ring with Bombadil instead of destroying it, but they realize then that eventually Sauron would find out where the ring is and go up against Bombadil, when everything else is destroyed, and then even Bombadil would be defeated.

>dawn found her shitttin' guts out m8

>When they caught his words again they found that he had now wandered into strange regions beyond their memory and beyond their waking thought, into times when the world was wider, and the seas flowed straight to the western Shore; and still on and back Tom went singing out into ancient starlight, when only the Elf-sires were awake.

No. Tolkien smoked tobacco pipes a lot. This was pre-knowledge about cancer. He was not a druggie. He did not advocate drug use in any writing or interview. The problem is that LotR got popular in the 60's and that's when druggie hippie thought that pipeweed was a reference to weed when it was just tobacco.

Well I think I should have said "humanoid" then because elves look human too, right? I didn't mean he was a Man, who came into being after elves

This literally tells us that Bombadil was alive when Arda was flat, after the Lamps and probably after the Trees but before the Sun and the Moon. Since he is differentiated from the Elves this narrows it down to Maia, Valar, or a creation of Melkor.

But the truth is he's just Tolkien's self insertion and probably how he would live if he were in Middle-Earth, alone with his wife in an enchanted forest.

kek, might play B4ME2 in a bit

Aren't men and elves technically the same thing? They're able to produce fertile offspring together so...

It's futile to categorize him because he's something else altogether. And since power levels are not a thing in Tolkien one can't go around saying Bombadil could beat this Valar or that Maia because that's just not how it works. There are no certainties regarding Bombadil, save that he is either Eru, or something less powerful than Eru.

why couldn't they have just had it same as in the book?
the hobbits bump into him in the old forest before bree, he saves them from an ent and takes them back to his house.

Pretty much, yeah. I just love posting sections from In the House of Tom Bombadil.

>He then told them many remarkable stories, sometimes half as if speaking to himself, sometimes looking at them suddenly with a bright blue eye under his deep brows. Often his voice would turn to song, and he would get out of his chair and dance about. He told them tales of bees and flowers, the ways of trees, and the strange creatures of the Forest, about the evil things and good things, things friendly and things unfriendly, cruel things and kind things, and secrets hidden under brambles.

Why didn't they send the Ring to Aule? He could have destroyed it easily.

What is Goldberry? The rivers personified? I can see why they were left out of the movies tbqh.

>This all powerful ring is really corruptible
>Btw this random hermit doesn't care about the ring lol

They're not the same though they are technically related because they are both Eru's children. Also they can fuck each other and have offspring, but they're different races.

Tom Bombadil is Melkor

It's an amazing chapter and it sucks that people often skip it because "hurr it wasn't in the movie therefore it's not a necessary"

Aule would tell them to fuck off

Shadow of Mordor is total fanfiction

Talion doesn't exist

Bombadil said to have the power over matter. That he had the ability to make all beasts obey him. That the rocks and trees would part way for him if he so chose to walk that way. He didn't give a shit. Goldberry was more of an interesting character. I liked the theory that Bombadil represented 'earth' and Goldberry represented 'water'. So Bombadil did trees, rocks, plants and animals, all that shit. While Goldberry did water, fish and so on.

In the grand scale of things, it doesn't matter. Tom was basically a deus ex machina to save the Hobbits from peril and provide them with weapons capable of killing Barrow Wights.

Having lived in the early 1900's and having experienced ww1, I'm sure went on a morphine binge and dreamt all this shit up

Because the Valar are fucking pussies save Tulkas and they've been fucking up since the beginning of Creation, and they don't want anything to do with Middle-Earth after their last battle, since their very presence fucked up the entire continent and sunk half of it into the sea.

Tbh the only based Valar are Tulkas, Aule, and Ulmo.

Water. Specifically the purest and clearest of water. But she is basically Tolkien's waifu insert and Bombadil is his own.

Bombadil himself mentions that he remembers the time under the stars before Melkor came to Arda, so that makes him even older than the Lamps.

I'm not talking about power levels. Of course you can categorize him. Does he look like an ent? No. Does he look like a dog? No. Does he look like a man or an elf? YES

A black friend once told me LOTR is a movie about showing the white man's last stand.

Is this true Sup Forums?

all I know about the LOTR lore is from SoM

Wrong. Christopher Tolkien holds the IP rights and he added it to canon. Tough shit. If you want to do the same as with Frank Herbert dune and his sons and how they're totally different but not really, then do so. But in terms of canon in the Tolkienverse, it's canon.

Got a problem? Take it up with the Tolkien Estate.

The Bombadil chapters are their first real adventure before truly leaving the Shire behind. They also give you a brief history of the ancient Northern kingdoms. That's what I love about Tolkien's writing. There's a sense of a deeper more ancient history behind everything.

That's rough.

people WILL fall for this, but I won't allow it

who cares about corporate bullshit. Tolkien didnt write it = it's fanfiction. its that easy

You can't categorize him. There are beings in this world that can take whatever shape they want, or no shape at all, so the "does he look like x" argument doesn't work. There is no race pertaining Bombadil, and a very vague timeline. You'll never be able to say "Bombadil is X race" because Tolkien is dead and he'll never expand on the matter, and the information he left us is insufficient.

>Aule
>Not responsible for as much bullshit in middle earth as Melkor
Aule is the phantom menace.

Childhood is idolizing Legolas
Adulthood made me realize Théoden is actually the most based and badass of them all.

No that doesn't really make sense.

Everything concerning Arnor is fascinating and IMO the fact that it's so vaguely referenced in LOTR makes it more fascinating still.

obviously
haven't you read the books or watched the movies?

Who the fuck idolized Legolas lol

It's a headfuck to try and get around and only autists can manage it. Seriously, you got places which are known by multiple names and hundreds of people. Tolkien is so praised because the detail he put into this setting, I mean Warhammer has copied so much from it but that's been done by dozens of guys over 30 years. Tolkien managed to do all this shit on his own.

The films are great but sadly miss so much. I had hoped they'd do the Siege of Lotholorien but they didn't. I heard they're doing the Scouring of the Shire in the 25th Anniversary Edition of LOTR but might be bollocks. Since CGI can be used to replaced dead people, who knows.

This

Kids who think guy who does action good is the bestes

>I heard they're doing the Scouring of the Shire in the 25th Anniversary Edition of LOTR
Absolute nonsense

Nothing to fall for. Christopher Tolkien says it's canon, so it's canon. Again, if you want to consider it fanfiction, you can, it doesn't make it so. Just like the new Dune books are part of the Dune setting. It didn't just end with Frank.

And you're able to do that, in terms of the OFFICIAL announcement, it's canon. Again, see above.

Aule is based as fuck
>Father of science and craft
>teaches the elves and by extension men the foundations of all sciences
>badass fucking smith
>creates the Dwarves, because fuck Eru being the only one able to create life
>sexy thicc nature-loving wife
>was interested in similar shit as Melkor but instead of being a whinny envious bitch, shared everything he created and discovered and was selfless in his craft

Adulthood is realising Saruman is a more interesting villain than Sauron

That makes it clear why he was included but not what he is.

Altough it would appear he was not an all powerful being like fanboys think.

>Having lived in the early 1900's and having experienced ww1, I'm sure went on a morphine binge and dreamt all this shit up

he fought in the trenches, his battalion fought at the somme, and a few of his closest friends died. if he wasn't doped up to his eyeballs after all that shit then he was definitely a stronger man than I would've been

I'm just saying he has the physical features of a humanoid and he interacts with hobbits and men... as fat as I can tell he has always existed in this humanoid form. I'm not trying to tullu explain what he is but his physical appearance is a part of it

Its all wrong, celebrimbor didn't make the ring either

I thought I remember reading somewhere that NO ONE, no matter how evil or badass you were, would go into that giant spider cave.

What if you used some of Gollum's tricks to sneak in there and hide it?

Would the spider ever notice it? It seemed more concerned with killing and eating.

The ring could sit under a pile of rocks for centuries

>Nothing to fall for. Christopher Tolkien says it's canon, so it's canon
Christopher Tolkien has never spoken about Shadow of Mordor

Provide a source fuckwit

How so? How many editions of Star Wars OT did we get? I mean we're getting ANOTHER deleted scene where the commanders talk about the Emperor. So who's to say they didn't

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>There is 20 hours of material
>There is lots of potential uses for it

It's possible the scene or other scenes, are in there.

That's because we see his fall from grace unravel, whereas Sauron's happened some eras prior to that

He relly isnt. Sauron is more sympathetic

We know you're full of shit, user.

Weak b8

Hiding the Ring doesn't invalidate Sauron's power growing

His armies would have wiped out Middle Earth

It wasn't a question whether to hide or destroy the Ring, it HAD to be destroyed

Kek, this. Christopher Tolkien is now a 92 year old man. He has no idea what Shadow of Mordor is.

The Scouring of the Shire was never filmed

It was a never a part of the script, it wasn't considered for adaptation because it would add 30 minutes to an already 4 hour film

Extended Edition would be bordering on 5 hours

It simply wouldn't work on screen, you go through three movies and that massive climax and then the Hobbits get home, oh great Saruman has taken it over

It's a massive anti-climax

And they already killed off Saruman and Grima at Isengard

Yes the spider would notice it. The spiders have incredibly interesting lore and nobody knows where the fuck they came from. The original one, Ungoliant, is some sort of eldritch abomination that might have come from space and was at one point so powerful that Melkor, the most powerful being barring God, was afraid of her.

Since the ring was indestructible save for Mount Doom, that big ass spider in LOTR might have eaten it and gained some power, but eventually Sauron would notice and fuck her up.

Its not that hard, really its only three books and one of them is a kids book, even counting the unfinished tales and children of Hurin its not that much compared to some series, you just dumb

BUT I WANT THE FUCKING SEED TO BE PUT TO GOOD USE.

who gets the rights after christopher finally kicks the bucket/sails to the uttermost west? I appreciate all the work he's put in protecting his father's legacy but I would like to see a Silmarillion TV series, which will NEVER EVER happen while he's alive