What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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nothing

nothing it was comfy just like all the other trek shows

Fans at the time complained about DS9 not being TNG 2.0 and straying too far from Trek's routes, so UPN made the writers more or less ignore Voyager's premise and pretty much just continue TNG's alien/anomaly of the week formula.

You not using the trek thread

Everything.

Janeway murdered Tuvix.
R I P
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they left the salamander babies instead of raising them.

Crew kept dealing with Delta Quadrant drama instead of trying to get home.

Nothing I enjoyed it.

Nothing. Good TREK show. Unlike some other stolen B5 show that later morphed into shitty Star Wars clone because who the hell wants to watch the Adventures of Hotel Middle Management in Spaace.

No consequences and very few recurring alien characters (when they're totally dependent on aliens for a lot of shit).

Oh can it.

DS9 was the peak of "Star Trek". Dat serial format and willingness to visit the dark corners that regular Starfleet couldn't handle off the bat.

It dared to question utopia itself and even the Federation.

"Do you know what the trouble is? The trouble is Earth-on Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. It's easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the demilitarized zone all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people-angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive, whether it meets with Federation approval or not."

"I know you. I was like you once. But then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands, and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves Paradise, everyone should want to be in the Federation! Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day, they can take their rightful place on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways, you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious, you assimilate people - and they don't even know it."

t. edgy manchild

normal people don't have to see moral ambiguity because they face it in real life

start living and go outside of your parent's basement

Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this.
Elim Garak: What is it?
Quark: A human drink. It's called root beer.
Elim Garak: [unwilling] Uh, I don't know...
Quark: Come on, aren't you just a little bit curious?
[Garak sighs, takes a sip and gags]
Quark: What do you think?
Elim Garak: It's *vile*!
Quark: I know. It's so bubbly, and cloying, and *happy*.
Elim Garak: Just like the Federation.
Quark: But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to *like* it.
Elim Garak: It's insidious!
Quark: *Just* like the Federation.

Oh yeah, because TNG and VOY were so mature in comparison to DS9.

The only time I bought TNG was "First Contact", because it had real terror and rage. No one would be calm facing the fucking Borg.

t. edgy manchild that didn't actually watch the shows he talks shit about

>Tuvix
Years ago I saw a guy posting on Sup Forums requesting porn of Tuvix for some ungodly reason.

I can't help but feel every person who makes reference to Tuvix is that same guy.

Another example of DS9's superior writing. In the same way it was willing to criticize the Federation, it was also willing to show us two different aliens talking about the Federation to one another.

I love this ambiguous exchange.

"You think they'll be able to save us?"
"I hope so."

>I'm Tuvix. I like myself. Please don't kill me

They abandoned the original premise, e.g. two disparate crews working together about three episodes in and resources shortages soon went away too. Thus they had an infinite number of shuttlecraft to expect instead of each being a precious commodity. This turned Voyager into a plotless mess with cast-off scripts from earlier shows and nothing to distinguish it. A cast of largely unlikable characters didn't help.

Childhood is arguing Harry should have been promoted once in the 7 years

Adulthood is realizing he never deserved it

>tfw your entire crew dies but you survive and go into an alternate universe where you died and everyone is cool with it

A lot.

But at least ONE thing went great with the show.

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The actor was frequently late to work, and was a pain-in-the-ass to work with.

This is why he got screwed over on the show regularly.

>Hating on the Doc

The light switch is the only redeeming thing about the show.

>liking the traitor that never gets punished

You're an actual cuck

This reminds me of that asshole from college who thought he was so smart because he was a cynical whiny prick.

Kek can you blame him, could have been freed from the show if they just killed him off like the plan was.

Should have just pushed the envelope like Beltran.

>likes the doctor
>calls other cuck

go cry about photonic rights somewhere else, fag

I personally hated the pastel colors they went for with voyager. Everything looks fake and cheap.

Really? I always thought it was the comfiest ship, maybe just tipping out Enterprise-D.

Can see what you mean though, it was a bit of a plain look.

ah yes because DS9 plastic set, especially the defiant, truly are so much better

>I can't help but feel every person who makes reference to Tuvix is that same guy.

He's still out there, searching for his mulatto whale.

anyone got the gif of the dude on the left looking at another female alien and calling it a man

Defiant was a boring set, but I suppose you can forgive the design since it was meant to be a warship.

The Promenade set was fantastic tho.

They were dealt an interesting premise and ended up just creating another TNG (albeit without any of the emotional depth).

But at least it looked like a functioning ship and not a plastic tonka truck makeup. Voyager's pastel makes it look like the control panel would be those geometric shapes you insert into corresponding holes.

I like how Janeway after finding out her man has dumped her shit and moved on is upset for an entire episode and doesn't even try to hate-fuck Chakotay to get over it.

I swear Tom (sort of) and the Doctor are the only ones who actually develop in any way or have any developments that stretch over a number of episodes.

Still better then the current Jew-Jew-Verse

Janeway
Chakotay
Torres

The characters were explicitly designed not to have growth and be boring, all to make the aliens of the week interesting.

Classic jewery. Why have the need to be good when you can just compare it to something bad to make it look good?

Not this based son of a bitch.

Young Ensign Kim. 42 years old and still not good enough to earn a promotion, despite only having accrued only one formal reprimand against himself during the entire show's run. That's that Young Ensign Kim for you.

Would you accept the "there always has to be an ensign" line? He didn't get promoted because he ran his mouth too much in an interview where he was a sexiest person alive token asian appointee. He ran his mouth about his handlers, then got surprised when he didn't get good character growth.

I know you want and need your fiction to reflect reality as best as possible, but come on user, this is a jewish medium. Its rife with pettiness and usury.

1. The god-like tech Star Trek is known for neutered the peril the crew faced.

2. UPN was afraid of a "too dark" show.

3. Braga chased Ron Moore off the show (and many of the ideas Moore had turned into BSG)

Nightingale episode was pretty much an Ensign Kim wank piece.

>star trek with no political drama and a weaker cast

dropped

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My main problem with this show was the way the episodes often ended. They were very anticlimactic by Star Trek standards, with no real resolution.

The show itself was fine IMO, just those episode endings needed to be better.

tfw Tuvix got a resolution

what were some good things about the show?
>Year of hell
>...

Computer, change the EMH actor's political stances from leftist to centrist with mild right leanings.

>Computer, initiate program "Trump_Non-interventionist004"
>[FALIURE TO COMPLY, PROGRAM DOES NOT EXIST]

>Saves everyone's lives hundreds of times
>Traitor

It was bland and the writers were scared to develop the story too much because of asspie nerds getting butthurt about lore.
Literally the nerds ruin every franchise because of lore.

name 3 episodes where that happens
I can name more instances where he puts everyone in danger

>Does what it was programmed to do
Good
>exceeds its programming and directly harms lives
Bad

Its easy. let me guess, you think the doctor is an actual being and not a program.

You sure are mad.

>u mad?!??!?

not really, I am just discussing but whatever makes you feel superior

Photonic Defence Force out in force today

How did Janeway ever allow the ai equivalent of a medical tricorder to get so many perks and privileges, ridiculous.

No, you're not discussing, you're just crying that anyone who disagrees with you is "edgy" without backing up your statement.

And yes, I do feel very superior to you, thank you for noticing.

You always say this but you never post a source. I don't believe you.

you seem autistic
you shouldn't feel superior to anyone to be honest, especially considering how worked up you are getting over this non-issue

t. edgy manchild

>getting this triggered by the truth
>somehow I am the mad one

I'm not even the same user. I just knew it would get to you, which it did.

Yeah you are the mad one m80. Get yourself sorted. You don't want to be an
>edgy manchild
forever do you?

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WHO /sexualorgans/ HERE?!?!

Trump has done everything he's promised to do.
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Nice try, but I wasn't that user either

>for some ungodly reason.
Rule 34 was srs bsns.

And thus passed the age of Trek on Sup Forums. May it rest in peace and be remembered well in death.

You're the one who's getting worked up just because I casually pointed out how mad you are. It's very amusing, tbqhwy.

Whats really funny though is i post that very sadly. Trek threads from way back in 09/10 are what brought me to Sup Forums, the interesting and intelligent discussions were a welcome respite from the pits of Sup Forums and Sup Forums I used to browse. Really sad how cancerous these threads have become

>What went wrong?
Had a really interesting premise that could have made it really unique and interesting in the grander scope of the franchise that they pretty much sweep under the rug.
Its missed opportunities: the show.
Also behind the scenes shenanigans directly affected the show itself.

>you are mad because you answered to a post quoting you

lol ok

Maybe you are the problem, not everyone else.

You answered it in an angry way, just like you keep doing. Real talk, why you so mad breh?

What do you expect when people start thread only to shit on other series and accuse you of being "reddit" or other retarded stuff if you have a different opnion.
We still have nice thread but are usually VOY threads.

Its the manner in which you respond, not that you simply do.

Nah

When they got turned into generals with drama and faggotry it was the end.
I don't even go into threads with /trek/ or stupid barclay memes because its the same shit.

But what can you do but ignore it and try to post quality star trek posts. The opposite of this post.

>project your own feelings on someone posts
>yeah he is clearly mad

how I am supposed to argue against your delusions?

I agree. Your adamant nature leads me to believe you're on the up and up.

Why don't you tell us why you're so mad, buddy? You get bullied at school today?

Seriesfags shitting on other seriesfags is a given in any trek discussion. That goes way back to the days of Picard vs Kirk. The real problem is how often these threads pop up, usually with some dank barclay meme or voyager bait. Just people looking to drum up old rehashed arguments and spout bullshit. Trek has been normie-ized.

I can feel your futile butthurt thru the monitor user. The answer is you just don't respond. You move on. You've lost your composure, for all to see. You found 1 place online where people don't hate you only to find they do. It must be awfully emasculating and belittling. Just know you bring all your life's suffereing upon yourself.

Just move on (you won't).

>Its a the saddest samefag argues with himself episode
This episode sucks.

????
You both should seek help

Stay mad.

t. edgy manchild

If you aren't the doctor, seven of nine, or neelix, then you did not mean shit.

But I am not mad, stop assuming
>being calm and composed means being edgy
So how would you classify the behavior o the other guy?

DS9 is lowest tier trek.
Fucking spiritual beings inside a wormhole with captain kangz as their messiah.
Boring shit, it is not even in the same league as Voyager.
DS9 is garbage-trek

They really needed to give timm russ more to do.

I love how easy it is to keep making you respond.

He was low-key the best member of the crew.

The Doctor is best Doctor.

yes, responding to other people is how discussions work