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What is the best "crew must deal with contagious disease before its too late" episode?

Best "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" episode?

Best courtroom drama episode?

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>"crew must deal with contagious disease before its too late"
>"something went horribly wrong with the holodeck"
>courtroom drama

You just described every episode.

>Best courtroom drama episode?
The Measure of a Man
>Best "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" episode?
Our Man Bashir
>What is the best "crew must deal with contagious disease before its too late" episode?
It doesn't exist. Rick Berman wouldn't let them make it. The disease was going to mess up their brains and make them communicate through singing.

Best shuttle crash landed because of ionization or some shit episode?
Best mysterious nebula is actually an entity episode?
Best Janeway fucks up an opportunity to get home immediately episode?

VOY and ENT are out of my headcanon. There's literally no reason for me to acknowledge their existence.

Since you've named the best courtroom episode I'll choose the runner up
>The Drumhead

Our Man Bashir is fun but it doesn't beat
>Ship in a Bottle
or
>It's Only a Paper Moon

Can't think of a great contagious disease affects the crew episode. The Game? Babel? I'll just pick the most famous one
>The Naked Time

Best Janeway fucks up an opportunity to get home immediately episode?
>Caretaker

>What is the best "crew must deal with contagious disease before its too late" episode?
Observer Effect by far.

>Best "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" episode?
Any Moriarty show.

>Best courtroom drama episode
Measure of a Man

>he hates ENT.
peak Trek pleb. I bet you don't like The Motion Picture either.

Actually I think TMP is the best of all the odd movies.

ENT sucks shitballs though.

Observer Effect was shitting all over the Organians.

The ENT writers should have used a different species.

>TMP
>The scene where the Enterprise leaves space dock for the first time

Fucking magic. TMP should be a pleb-filter.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQ5Q956_XU

Paper Moon isn't a holodeck malfunction episode, unless you count the fact thay Vic was running longer than intended like the Doctor.

Well, OP did say "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" and Nog was going horribly wrong with Nog in there . . .

Best "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" episode?
Objectively Bride of Chaotica

that sequence was so good they reused it for the second movie.

*something was going horribly wrong . . .

TMP is most definitely a pleb filter.

ehy that's the TNG intro too
what a bunch of cheapstakes

Here's what the TNG theme was supposed to be, but at some point they abandoned this and went with the TMP theme.

youtube.com/watch?v=jzpeulsbv8o

My mistake. Still a great episode on the holodeck.
Something wasn't horribly wrong with the holodeck but with the person using it
>The fault wasn't in our holodeck but in ourselves ~ Reginald Barclay

Why are holodecks not banned, they always get people killed it seems

at least DS9 only had one of those episodes

yikes, I don't know how I feel about that.

Glad they stuck with TMP theme instead.

>Slow and overly cerebral
>Overly ambitious with it's concepts and special effects
>Alien entity possessing a random crewman
>A romance between the alien entity and another random member of the crew
>Third act twist about the origin of the life form

TMP is a perfect adaption of a mediocre episode of the original show. That doesn't make it good though.

Most of the time obrian and dr bashir were using them to recreate famous battles, sounds pretty dangerous to me.

WTF, it's like something you'd expect from a parody.

No, because safety protocols.

Do you even follow any of our memes at all?

TNG holodecks were new technology so having and using them counted also as kinda testing them

Voyager was stuck in space with no maintenance so it made sense too for malfunctions and most of them were caused by external events anyway

Well, it's not as bad as the original Stargate SG1 theme

youtube.com/watch?v=owgOxV1V6Cc

>TMP is a perfect adaption of a mediocre episode of the original show.
In fact, it's a perfect adaptation of the episode The Changeling from the original show.

top fucking kek

is that from the commentary? I need to check that out now.

>stuck in space with no maintenance
This sounds like an interesting premise. Such a shame that they never made a Trek series about this idea.

'The Big Goodbye' was Picards first time using a holodeck

>It's a Kirk talks an artificial intelligence into suicide episode

Why do people think he's just some dumb playboy again?

>Best "something went horribly wrong with the holodeck" episode?
they all suck

because he only talked dumb AI into suicide

Only people who never watched Star Trek think so.

I'm doing a TNG re-watch, did DS9 last week. I'm on season three.

A science station had its holo projector fail so it briefly became visible. And a primitive stone-age vulcan and his vulcan-loli daughter saw the station and climbed up there and he fell off a cliff and was going to die, Crusher beams him to sickbay to save his life, dialog is as follows;

>Crusher: "Captain, before you start quoting the prime directive, he'd already seen us, the damage was done. It was either beam him up here or let him die."
>Picard: "Then why didn't you let him die?"

what the fug

Prime Directive is serious business
I remember in TOS Kirk said that a Captain should rather kill himself and his crew than break it. Of course later on he breaks it himself in other episodes.

Ah yes, that was a good episode.

Where NOMAD has gone before!

Let's not forget that the TOS theme has lyrics too.
youtube.com/watch?v=x8UlFN0kNq4&t=23

>Without Courage's knowledge, Roddenberry wrote lyrics to the theme — not in the expectation that they would ever be sung, but in order to claim a 50% share of the music's performance royalties. Although there was never any litigation, Courage later commented that he considered Roddenberry's conduct unethical. Roddenberry was quoted as responding, "Hey, I have to get some money somewhere. I'm sure not gonna get it out of the profits of Star Trek."

That's Picard for you. People complain about Sisko being heartless for not sympathizing with the Maquis, but Picard would have acted in much the same ways and would have been just as autistic about MUH TREATY. Remember how he was fully prepared to let Sarjenka and her species be destroyed because of it.

Remember when Picard forcibly evicted those Native Americans so that the Cardassians could take their planet?

Picard is the reason that the Maquis even exist.

you mean Starfleet is the reason
and by the end of the episode they don't evict them anyway

Jesus I forgot about that episode. Native Americans waited till 2400 AD and still the white man hadn't given their land back and then finally whitey gave them an entire planet to make up for America and so they move there and then like two weeks later whitey shows up in a spaceship and says "We gave this planet to some grey crab people so you can't stay here anymore".

...

>even in a post-scarcity, post-class, post-religious, post-racial society, the white man still finds a way to fuck over the red man

What else should one expect from the "Armenian scam artist" era of Star Trek?

The Primal Mind was actually really excellent.

The episode I'm watching now a member of the away team died in an explosion. Her son is on-board, Worf wants to be the one to tell him because he was leading the away team but Picard says no, it's his responsibility. Picard meets with the kid;

>Picard: "Jeremy I have some bad news. Your mother is dead"
>Jeremy: "How sir?"
>Picard: "There was an explosive device on the mission site, she died instantly"
>Picard: "I understand your father is dead too?"
>Jeremy: "Yes, sir. He died five years ago"
>Jeremy: "I'm alone now sir"
>Picard: *taking his hand* "Jeremy, on the starship enterprise, no one is alone"

This shit will choke a nigga up.

decent post but let's watch those n-bombs

>I love being lied to! There's nothing wrong with lying to me! I trust everything that liars say!
t. scam artist apologist

Wait, what in The Primal Mind is lies? I checked out the sources and they all seem legit

The source is the liar.

He lied about his identity, he lied about his experience, he lied about his qualifications. You can't trust anything he says unless it has been verified by an independent third party.

So when J. Highwater cites a source the source itself can't be trusted?

Can you give me an example?

I just looked it up and real natives who read his books claimed all along everything it in was false, and that as soon as they read them they could tell he was making everything up;

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater#False_ancestry_claims

>Between 1982 and 1983 Highwater and his Primal Mind Foundation had received more than $825,000 dollars in federal grant money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). His claims of Native ancestry were strongly disputed by American Indian activists, who argued that his works were inauthentic and stereotypical. They said that he had illegally received the grant money by misrepresenting material facts about his life.[7]

>Following an expose by Anderson in the Washington Post, Highwater stopped claiming Indian heritage in promotional literature. When questioned by Anderson about why he had assumed an Indian identity, he said that he had thought he could not break into the writing world otherwise.[4]

>Jamake Highwater (1942–2001) served as a consultant on Native American culture to Star Trek: Voyager. Though he claimed American Indian ancestry, he was in fact Armenian. Highwater was heavily criticized by actual American Indians for his writings, which typically contained stereotypical and inaccurate depictions of Indian culture.

>Highwater was born either Jay Marks or Gregory J. Markopoulos,[4] an Armenian adopted by a Greek family. He was going by the name J. Marks at the time he was writing professionally in the early 1960s. In 1969 he started going by Jamake Highwater,[4] and began claiming he was of American Indian ancestry, but gave conflicting accounts of the details.[2]

>Highwater's false claims to American Indian ancestry were documented in a 1984 Akwesasne Notes article by Hank Adams. Between 1982 and 1983 Highwater and his Primal Mind Foundation received over $825,000 dollars in federal grant money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). His claims of Native ancestry were heavily disputed by actual American Indian activists, who argued his works were inauthentic and stereotypical and that the grant money was received illegally through a misrepresentation of material fact.[5] Following an expose by Jack Anderson in the Washington Post, Highwater stopped claiming Indian heritage in promotional literature, although confusion about his heritage remained widespread.[2]

Bravo Berman!

The Primal Mind is a valuable attempt to explain Native American culture to the dominant culture, using the the dominant culture's understanding of the Artist (as visionary individual) as a plank to bridge the conceptual gap. J. Highwater is sensitive to the varieties of individualism within Native cultures and between Native culture and the dominant culture. It's an anthology of poetry, stories, and plays by modern Indian writers curated by J. Highwater. It is not fantastical. It is not made up. Fascinating addition to any post-colonial philosophical investigation. Jamake Highwater's arguments give the reader the opportunity to traverse the transitional space between the 'western' philosophical canon and Native American philosophy. By addressing the different conceptions of concepts like time and story J. Highwater is able to provide the reader with a more comprehensive understanding of different views.

I suggest you read it, or view the documentary (preview available at youtube.com/watch?v=uZaqGQOE5yg)

It's not Berman's fault, the whole academic community was duped to the point that some people still use his books for Native American studies.

I asked for an example and you refused to provide one.

Do you work for his estate? Do you get paid when people buy a copy?

Fuck off, please.

All you have to do is pay for a book or documentary if you want sources.

J. Highwater received acclaim from T.S. Eliot, Joseph Campbell, Anais Nin, and Jean Cocteau but you, a doofus on a star trek thread on an internet portapotty, claim superiority because you can paste wikipedia (LOL) material? Do you even know how wikipedia works?

>J. Highwater received acclaim from T.S. Eliot, Joseph Campbell, Anais Nin, and Jean Cocteau
They didn't know that he lied about his identity, he lied about his experience and he lied about his qualifications.

I'm not going to give you a single cent, you worthless shill.

His name was not 'Highwater'. He was an Armenian, raised by Greeks. named Gregory J. Markopoulos. He's as much a native american as I am. (not at all)

But that is the TNG theme?

Even the star trek wiki knows;

>memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

>Jamake Highwater (1942–3 June 2001) served as a consultant on Native American culture to Star Trek: Voyager. Though he claimed American Indian ancestry, he was in fact Armenian. Highwater was heavily criticized by actual American Indians for his writings, which typically contained stereotypical and inaccurate depictions of Indian culture. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p.199)

Kek I see the Jamake Highwater Sup Forums defense force is back. I wonder if we can summon Kate Mulgrew's son as well.

Wageslave detected. Nog did nothing wrong and fuck his normie """friends""" and family for ruining his comfy hololife.

>anonymous posters who claim to be Star Trek experts criticise a lauded individual whom the liberal media has chosen to attack, without even reading his books or watching his documentaries
Is this really what /trek/ has devolved into?

>Nog did nothing wrong
He enlisted in the imperialist war machine known as Starfleet.

Nobody would be attacking him if he hadn't based his entire career on lies.

>without even reading his books or watching his documentaries
You want us to pay for them. I don't want to use my money to support liars (or their estates).

Fuck off, estate shill.

Why are they doing this? What's all this about?

Even a cursory glance at the sources on the wikipedia page confirm this man was an utter fraud. Why are the defending him?

>You want us to pay for them
You could read and view all of J. Highwater's material for free using your local library.

You're just lazy and only want to use Wikipedia as your primary source, because you buy the narrative constructed against Mr. Highwater.

It would be really easy for you to, for no money, address your concerns, but you aren't willing to do it. You're scared of what you might discover.

>Why are the defending him?
Some people come to Sup Forums because they view total anonymity as a tool to be more honest than they can be anywhere else in their lives.

Some people come to Sup Forums because they view total anonymity as a tool to be more dishonest than they can be anywhere else in their lives.

This is a member of the latter group. They troll for the lulz.

I just finished all of DS9, I'm not going to rehash the Maquis thing because it gets talked to death every thread. But there was something else that really bothered me.

It's towards the end of the last season, the federation alliance is invading a Cardassian world with ground troops. Martok is giving his report to Sisko and says "Our troups are facing the 11th Legion, it's a reserve battalion made up of old men and children. They will pose little resistance" and he starts laughing, and I thought it would be a cut to Sisko looking grim faced and shocked but Sisko starts laughing as well! And says "That's good news general".

What the christ? This the most un-federation thing I've ever seen. Even for a Klingon general it seemed out of character. What honor in killing old men and children?

>Kate Mulgrew's son

Oh jeez what did he do? I'm almost afraid to ask.

My library threw out all his books because he's a hack fraud and they didn't want to mislead library patrons with his untrustworthy lies.

Sorry, I'm not going to pay money to support you, shill.

I can understand this, hell I've done it.

But this seems to be at least one person just heavily promoting this guy for some reason. Just seems really weird.

>implying you couldn't use interlibrary loan
I suspect you haven't even set foot in a library, poseur.

>Kek I see the Jamake Highwater Sup Forums defense force is back.

... we've argued about this guy before? I never even knew about him before this thread?

You're talking about me in a roundabout way. I'm not afraid to directly address you as you are me.

The fact is, I read The Primal Mind and watched the doco. They contain solid facts. It's not weird to say so. Anyone can pay to read or watch these nonfiction pieces and analyse them for themselves. Or you can rely on Wikipedia

He did nothing except be neglected by Kate Mulgrew and raised by his nanny instead, which Kate "deeply" "regrets".

There used to be a "daily reminder" type poster in every thread who would rant about how Kate Mulgrew was an awful person who abandoned her son.

>The fact is, I read The Primal Mind and watched the doco.
So you spent money on worthless trash.

You have our condolences.

>They contain solid facts.
They do contain solid facts.

They also contain solid lies.

Until an independent third party goes through them all and verifies every single claim, none of them can be trusted.

He usually gets brought up in any thread where Chakotay is mentioned, but I haven't seen the guy that defends him in awhile.

>So you spent money
Or perhaps I used interlibrary loan. You wouldn't know as you're only LARPing about this subject and would never even attempt to obtain actual objective information about J. Highwater.

>Until an independent third party goes through them all and verifies every single claim
Could be you, but you haven't seen any of the claims except what Wikipedia editors have deemed acceptable for relevant articles.

Nice life, man, letting Wikipedia decide facts for you

So we're all agreed that 'In the Pale Moonlight' is the best Trek episode right?

Benjamin "the number of Cardassians should be zero" Sisko

Benjamin "eats Cardassian meat by the kilo" Sisko

Benjamin "it's not murder if it's a Cardassian sicko" Sisko

>Could be you,
No, it couldn't be. I'm not qualified to evaluate his claims because I don't have the necessary experience or education in that field. Neither do you. Neither does Gregory Markopoulos.

All we can do is trust in the experts, and the experts say that he's a fraud.

I'd always assumed that Martok's "old men and children" comment was shit talking, not that they were literally going up against a legion of child soldiers.

>All we can do is trust in the experts
J. Highwater received acclaim from T.S. Eliot, Joseph Campbell, Anais Nin, and Jean Cocteau but you, a doofus who can't even grok interlibrary loan, claim fraudulence when you haven't even read the original text for no good reason?

Phaser yourself.

Has anyone actually challenged the content and research in his Books? I thought the charge was that he was lying about his ancestry for publicity sake.

>So we're all agreed that this episode that's the complete antithesis to Star Trek, and is everything the series stood against is the best Trek episode right?

No.

>Computer, create a 1000 foot naked Seven of Nine squatting over San Francisco while afflicted with all gastrointestinal diseases in the medical database.

>Computer, disengage safety protocols.

Those are pretty terrible arguments user. A lot of smart people praised the protocols of the elders of zion, but I don't need to read that to know it's a fake. IT'S A FAAAAAKE

Three options.

1, they do it for money (as a family member or employee of his estate, they get paid when people pay for his works).
2, they do it to rationalize their money (they paid for his works, and they refuse to acknowledge that they wasted their money, possibly because they are neuroatypical).
3, they do it as a joke.

What do you think is the most likely option?

Okay, so we're all agreed that Deep Space 9 is the best Trek right?

I'm not impressed that he fooled people, considering that those people had no idea that he was trying to fool them.

>Highwater was heavily criticized by actual American Indians for his writings, which typically contained stereotypical and inaccurate depictions of Indian culture. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p.199)
Not just his ancestry, but also the bullshit that he justified with his fake ancestry.

What the fuck is this god awful shite?

I've sat through the first garbage season and I was told "Ahh, no, don't worry it gets really good in season 2."

Instead, the first five episodes have been markedly worse and they changed the main guy to a shittier more generic version of the generic gruff captain from the first season.

Whichever of you suggested this to me, I'm really disappointed. It's not even close to the worst of the worst Star Treks, that's how bad it is.