/leftypol/ General

WE ARE NOT FUCKING LIBERALS Edition!

Greetings, /k/omrades!

This general is for leftism! Not neo-liberal, capitalist, SJWism, but socialism! Communism! Anarchcism! Marxism! All these anti-capitalists are welcome here

So what is communism? Communism doesn't just mean sharing a whole bunch of shit. Communism as we need to remember first off is something very tangible and real. It means that the people who use the means of production to produce the wealth society rests on seizes the means of production uses them democratically, not to mention use them more efficiently.

So how do we acheive communism? Post-scarcity, everyone provided for by replicators, therefore there is no need for the capitalist mode of production? Perhaps, but we do not have the ability to do that today. Or do we? After all, the US alone produces enough food to feed the world. But can we distribute it?

What are your thoughts on acheiving communism?

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Comrade here! Glory to marxism and leninism

r e p o r t e d

sage

Is this the token liberal thread? Cool.

Jerónimo dance party!

/k/omrade here, can't wait to send all the crapitalists to work camps until they're dead

This was edgy 200 years ago

I voted Labour in the last election. Am I welcome here?

You're not welcome anywhere you subhuman rat.

Nice to see fellow leftists SJW haters. Those neo-liberal fuckers have infiltrated everywhere.

I want to talk about the income gap but no it's refuges welcome instead.

Let's protest tax cuts for the rich no lets protest that snowflakes don't get a own bathroom in school.

You have to be over the age of 18 to use this website.

statists OUT

Anarchy represent

No human should rule over another, unless consensual (trade etc) (NOT HUMAN TRADE)

Anarchism=//=left wing
Just because I make my own rules doesn't mean I have to be ignorant edge lords like you.

"SJWism" is fucking socialism dumbass. Communism is just the end result of SJW and socialism.

How the fuck is capitolism left wing??? Also how the fuck is it left wing, but just not left wing enough for you??

GO TO ATECHAN YOU MENTALLY ILL CHILDREN

-hurrrr fuck Sjws haha Go gommunism.

The Sjws are trying to inact communism you epic retard. They are funded by communists dipshit.

Being a commie = being an Sjw

>/k/omerade
>imblying lefties like guns

This desu

Communism really doesn't work, because there's always going to be cunts, capitalism is okay it's the corporations that I fucking hate

Anarchist here. I fucking hate the joke the left has become. Especially in my country. I even stopped going to demonstrations.
I'm becoming more and more alienated. I'm lonely as fuck.

Pure, uncorrupted communism is the definition of a utopia. Sadly, this isn't achievable mainly due to human nature and secondly due to all the other countless issues.

This is why I turned to the far-right and decided to take care of these issues in the easiest way possible, so that maybe one day humanity could be living in the fairy tale.

Unrestrained capitalism is a cancer yes, but there are alternatives to being a filthy communist.

A corperation is just a group of people making money bud. If you want to hate something, hate the extremist commies who have infiltrated the world economic and political sphere and made retarded rules to kill small business so that their favorite corporations could become centralized production units.

Everything you dislike about corporations = communism

That's cute, I remember highschool.
>Yeah man, like, no one should be rules because hu,an rights n sheeeeit
It's a noble but naive concept. Sadly most people are not that noble, and without some form of structure
it will only be mob rule.

Centralized means of production - you own nothing

Forced labor - you work for nothing

No incentive for change - you create nothing

No marriage or family - the state is your family

Sounds like a nightmare buddy.

This isn't /k/. You are not a /k/omrade unless you are posting on /k/. How the fuck can you be on Sup Forums and not get how board nicknames work?

Please, go drink bleach.

Yeah since they are trying to control the market and the prices by eliminating the competition. I know how it works

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Wrong. It is the restraints that make it shitty be excluding individuals from being able to compete.
Why don't commies read books?

>Just posting here to show off my flag

Of course, I mean that you only make up a structure that you truly believe in, and consensually follow, you aren't forced into one group because of your origin or because big brother said so.

You have to be an emotionless ant-like drone able to sacrifice himself for the greater good in order to enjoy this kind of lifestyle. Everyone will be lobotomized in the glorious utopian future, so there's no need to worry about ,,not fitting in''.

Fuck off

Gulag'd

They are trying to become the centralized means of production that commies love so much.

Gov=people
Corperations=people

Of you get rid of small business, and enact communism, you know Monsanto will quickly become the centralized means of food production right?

Thoughts on comrade Corbyn?

After all, the US alone produces enough food to feed the world.

And that is possible because of capitalism
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>Implying you can solve the local knowledge problem and efficiently allocate resources via centralized control

baka desu senpai

I used to be a Communist like you, but then i took a boat to Italy.

You're all my property. Say hello to the alt-left.

You don't deserve that flag, commie bastard.

In America the bank owns your house and car and pretty much everything else and you work to repay your debt. Majority of jobs are in the service sector that mostly just shuffle paper around-- manufacturing left a long time ago. Divorce rates are sky high and since households require two incomes children are basically raised in day care and kindergarten.

You described capitalism perfectly friend!

Drop dead communist scum, or at least move to Venezuela where your destopian dream has already been realized.

And you just described the left taking over America you fucking dumbshit.

The post-scarcity world is coming, you have to restructure society sooner or later. youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

This

Also if they read books they wouldn't be commies

>not to mention use them more efficiently.

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Nice b8 8/8

Oh no!! I have to pay back my loans!! To bad I have this nice car!! Not like I can pay it off and it's mine. Oh the actual work left?? I bet it has nothing to do with all the rules placed on American business by progresive commies in government!!! I bet that this is all 100% capitalism fault. Even though capitalism is just BUYING AND SELLING THINGS AND SERVICES and not a foarm of government.

Btw, in communism you get to do forced work for free. In horrible capitalism I chose to work for the bank, for a set agreed amount of money, in exchange for a house. And after I pay it off I'm gonna mortgage it and start a small business!! Sure sound bad.

Socialism is the most American value there is.

Stirner was an autist who developed nothing but a more meming way of positing nihilism

>muh spooks
This is a common phrase uttered by leftists when feaced with human emotion and objective beauty. Being stunted simulacrums of humanity they fail to understand what is before their very eyes and gibber "muh spooks" or "s-spooky"

Shut your damn mouth

Only acceptable form of Socialism.

Wow, a historically illiterate leftist. What a shocking development

Hey guys.. Remember that one time socialism worked?? Ya in Germany. You know the time. :DDD

Haha yes. "Rules imposed by the left" are the reason capitalists outsource all of the jobs out of the country. Not because capitalism by its very nature requires hordes of people working for pennies a day producing cheap plastic garbage to survive.

Get a grip.

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Under actual communism you don't work for free, the means of production being publically owned means that a laborer is entitled to what they create, as opposed to capitalism where the boss reaps the majority of the profit from the products the people create. Under communism people's labor would be more valuable because the rewards from labor are not soaked up by a few bosses that own the company. The thing about communism is that it is an ideology, and can never be fully realized. It's an ideal to look forward to when deciding what to do. When socialism is attempted there are always unforseen problems that come into play when people start trying to take for themselves, but we can also see problems in capitalism where the bourgeois greed will cause them to keep squeezing the working class to try and reap as much as they can to the point where the people have generally bad conditions and the wealthy have seemingly infinate power.
There is no perfect system, humans being humans will fuck anything up, it's just that socialism is a more noble goal than capitalism, we should aim for it.

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Read, you pig!
gutenberg.org/files/23428/23428-h/23428-h.htm

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Communism oppresses the poor and keeps the elites benefiting off the oppressed poor.

Just like capitalism.

Your next move op...

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I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say however I think that there are a lot of `spooks` in today's person mind. He goes in a similar vein of what Nietzsche says about a person becoming who their are by challanging morality and social norms.

However that said.

A lot of his stuff are bullshit. There is a fundamental human nature and anymore denying that is either ignorant or retarded.

> This is a common phrase uttered by leftists
It's a meme among leftists, if someone seriously says that he might be in the spectrum or he will provide a context around that.

> when feaced with human emotion and objective beauty
Human emotion is beautiful in all it's forms but do you really suggest of an objective standard of aestitics?

> Being stunted simulacrums of humanity they fail to understand what is before their very eyes and gibber "muh spooks" or "s-spooky"
It's usually an argument out of ignorance, yes, much more easier to defeat. Not sure what you point is.

Consider the following hypothesis. Soon or later machines will replace people in a lot of sectors of employment. They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be sufficient to match people (in many cases they already do). This means a lot of people will lose their jobs and something will have to happen in order for them to take care of themselfs or a civil war will errupt in a sufficiently advanced society. You cannnot undermine the argument that this will happen because it all businesses seek to reduce costs and optimize profit margins and the marginal rate of technical substitution is improving more and more with the advanced in AI, robotics and general embedded tech. The question is how to deal with society in such a state. I see the solution coming from a state which distributes the resources produced by robots while human work on things requiring higher cognitive abilities or enjoying leasure. The thing that disturbs me in such a society is the gradual decay .. continuing in post 2

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>but socialism! Communism! Anarchcism! Marxism!

hahaha lol

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Duuuuuuuud fuck fascists woahhhhhhhhh dude fuck drumpf ehehehhehrhaheh fuck racism the 1% jeeps taking my money let's smoke pot lol dude fuck the system

Typical leftist

it would be great if only those things were called socialism that actually embody at least its core principles. Does it have democratic control of the means of production? No? Then fuck off.
youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4

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the gradual decay of the individual because of the lack of challange for him. We would have to really work hard on not degenerating into slavery and hard dependence on the robots. (Wall-E(not sure how to spell the name)). I could expand more on this but I feel like walls of text won't get me anywhere but leafs trolling me with TLDR XKXDXDXDXDXDD. What do you think?

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Whoah, such an argument. It really made me think.

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Wow guys, fuck off. I want to see how actually alt-left works, you are all acting exactly like SJWs.

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All I want is for businesses not to fuck me over. Is that too much to ask?
t. Not-sure-what-I-am-ist

>alt left
Take it back to double kike chan leftie cuck

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COMMUNISM NEVER WORKS HUMANS ARE NOT MENTALLY EQUIPPED FOR COMMUNISM THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO WORK HARD UNDER COMMINISM IT ONLY BENEFITS THE LAZY!

SORRY MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK.

class war when?

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oh shit, yeah i guess alt-left is actually SJWs and shit, since simple left is what it is right now. and fuck off, im rightwing, i just want to hear the other side. Sup Forumsefties have to have something decent

>Being a lefty after becoming well informed


At least most lefties are what they are bcause they don't really know any better and fall for the feel good memes of progressivism.

If you are well informed and then still want to be left you are either retarded or an evil man who thinks he has the right to control others

Get out

kill yourself commie

They could litterally all fit into r/communism there is nothing alternative about you fags in the slightest