Was it rape?

Was it rape?

She didn't say no.

Hannah was a stupid cunt. I'm glad she killed herself.

Bryce did nothing wrong.

rape is a social construct

kill yourself tripfaggot

>She didn't say no.
Neither did Jessica. That's not how consent works.

yep.

You seem upset. Upset with Sup Forums. Please, feel free to elaborate. I'm listening.

she tried to leave the hot tub and he literally pulled her back in and held her in place

People don't ask in real life, user. The truth is actions speak louder than words, and the recent development of someone having to affirm with a verbal yes is kind of unrealistic.

can't wait for tyler to end these annoying spoiled kids, except tony

Yes, fuck Bryce.

and Hannah was a fucking idiot

>the recent development of someone having to affirm with a verbal yes is kind of unrealistic.

>"Are you okay with this?"
>"Yeah"

wow, so unrealistic. jesus christ what a disgusting sad little creep you are.

why was she at this party

because she is a normie whore going to where all the normie dicks are

>People don't ask in real life, user
Normal people do. I can see why an autistic rapist would try to justify their actions by asserting that it is abnormal to do so, though.

Post the webm

>actions speak louder than words
What about the action where she struggled to escape and he forced her back and held her in place?

What in the fuck is wrong with you autists?

it's just part of the game you fucking sperg, girls love to do that

obvious you never had sex

Put game of thrones in that pic and you're spot on

No need to get upset, friend. Can you honestly tell me that each and every time you're intimate, you ask for validation?

Also, [spoier]I've had someone force themself onto me in real life.[/spoiler] If I can hold a more moderate opinion, you shouldn't have an issue admitting not everything is black and white.

this

lol what? no, normal people do not ask DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX just before having sex

unless its your sister or cousin or something

We're not talking about the show specifically, user.

I feel like saying no while getting raped is the same as when you got bullied in school and din't ask them to stop
> Well bro is your fault you should have told them to stop

No means no but yes also means no. Life is hard.

>normal people do not ask DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX just before having sex
Nobody claimed they did. If you're making out with a chick and things start to get heated, all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"

The fact that you equate consent to some kind of formal request is autistic beyond all comprehension.

That's funny, I was hanging out with a girl I liked a few days ago, and when it was clear by the looks she was giving me I should probably make a move, I just straight up said "I'd really like to kiss you. Would that be okay?" She quickly agreed and then we made out like crazed weasels. It was great.

so yeah man, you actually CAN just be straight with people and let them know your intentions before you're about to do something very intimate and give 'em a chance to respond

Holy shit you really don't know anything do you? You think it's like the movies where it just cuts away to fucking?

It was rape, she didnt want to have sex
on the other hand Bryce didnt know that because she didnt physically or verbally reject him. She even said "Bryce please" which would only make things more confusing.
You could call it a misunderstanding
Bottom line is that this satisfies the definition of rape, even if Bryce's ignorance of the fact should exonerate him in a court.

>all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"

Why do virgins feel the need to lecture others about sex?

What was weird about this show is she told Clay no but really wanted to fuck him. So Bryce was actually right when he was talking to Clay about women not knowing what they want.

One time I was fooling around with a girl and she started saying no so I stopped and she asked me why.

Can someone post the webm of her getting raped so I don't have to download the episode?

You being a rapist doesn't make other people virgins, user.

>someone i know was okay with it, so that means it's fair game to fuck any woman when they say no
Autism.

Asking for it each and every time makes you sound insecure. What's truly autistic is not understanding the social implication of chanting that.

There's no reason to get angry over this. You have the opportunity to change our opinions, but screeching insults does nothing back make us want to ignore your points or match your response.

>about to lose virginity to best friend, who takes things slow and asks if you're okay

"FUCK OFF CLAY GET AWAY FROM ME!!!"

>be around known asshole and rapist who (surprise!) forces himself on you in the hot tub

"i think im gonna leave bryce...oh well if you insist..."

I'm not saying you can't. It's just not always appropriate for every situation.

Good job, by the way.

>If you're making out with a chick and things start to get heated, all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"

uh no. you start to take her shirt off. the point at which she doesn't want you to continue further is if she says that's far enough, or places your hands someplace.

I learned this shit when I was 15, holy shit I weep for you children.

Not him, but I think the point is that the situations can be far more complex and the narrative that concent is only owned by the woman puts a lot of preassure and uncertainty on the man, and he could be wrongly accused.

what show is this?

>we made out like crazed weasels
Faggot.

Nice ad hominem you have there.

>uses ad hominem
>gets mad when someone ad hominems back
Autism.

>If you're making out with a chick and things start to get heated, all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"

She says yes, you do the deed then next day you call the cops and have her arrested for rape because she didn't ask you back.

I'm not that user. Being called a virgin isn't on par with being called a rapist, anyway.

When she go to his house I though she was gonna ask for money (because her parents money who she lost) and let him fuck her or something

Chess, not checkers.

this

Why would he try to justify rape if he wasn't a rapist? Literally all of the people in here defending non-consensual sex are doing so because they've done things like this in the past and refuse to believe that they could possibly be rapists themselves.

lol at the accuracy of that pic

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I don't want to speak for another person, but no where in his conversation chain does he talk about any of his personal experiences. No one here is saying that rape is okay. We're just discussing the nature of consent and what it entails. He's going about it in the wrong way, but I agree with the 'idea' behind his mud slinging.

what fucking show is this you fucking autist faggots

I just realized the title isn't anywhere in this thread. The show is called '13 Reasons Why' and can be found on Netflix. It's nothing special, though.

>it's only le consent if it's le notarized in le triplicate!!1
fuck off cuck

my gf is into rapeplay, do you know how fucking difficult it is to fuck a girl who isn't facilitating the sex? nigh-fucking-impossible.

if the """""""rape""""""" victim wasn't either coerced (coercion is the use or threat of FORCE), bound or beaten into submission, she was an active percipient who consented through action. Fact.

>only got verbal consent to kiss
>dicked her
fucking rapist

>my gf is into rapeplay
Sure she is, little guy.

people doing this drives me up the fucking wall, especially since Sup Forums is shitposting 90% of the time and the rare threads when someone discusses movies or tv they dont mention the title

user larping with your hand doesn't count.

The only reason you chill with someone like that is to fuck. Stupid slut.

It seems like this new generation forgets about the whole "men and women can't just be friends" thing but I guess that's what happens when you throw gender out the window...

>It was rape, she didnt want to have sex

That's not how it works, dumbass, it doesn't matter she "didn't want to", she should've made very clear that she didn't want it verbally and physically, and go as far as scream, scratch and run away to preserve her purity. She, literally, just stood there like a JAV actress and took it like a champ from based Bryce.

>they've done things like this in the past and refuse to believe that they could possibly be rapists themselves.
kek

where do you think you are?

>all you need to do is say "is this okay?"

Is that the garbage they teach in public schools these days? No wonder millennials are so fucked in the head.

If she didn't say "no" or punch him or kick him, then it wasn't rape.

They teach this in colleges actually, and they have since at least 2009.

We have witnessed the fallout of one generation, lets see how the next one goes with this shit starting in early teenage years.

You are a retard.

t. virgins

I hope this pic is a joke.

>all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"

It's serious. This picture is the real joke.

she did try to leave the hot tub.

When you have to physically hold down a girl to have sex with her...that's not really a 'go ahead' sign.

It could be a weird reaction from Hannah, but Bryce surely knew what he was doing.

Wanna call it rape? Call it rape, same difference

>she did try to leave the hot tub.
What is playing the hard to catch girl. EVERY other time someone made advancements she screamed and made a scene. The one time it mattered she didn't.

>It could be a weird reaction from Hannah
In the real world it's called non-verbal consent.


She went to his house willingly, took off her clothes willingly, and then got into the tub with TWO couples making out that got out of said hot tub to FUCK inside the house. She didn't do enough to protect herself, and should blame only herself, and maybe her "rapist", not the other 12 people that were "kind of mean" to her for not being able to "be there for her when she needed most", or whatever nonsense she believed in.

>I just straight up said "I'd really like to kiss you. Would that be okay?" She quickly agreed and then we made out like crazed weasels. It was great.

Fucking nu-male lying faggots lmao

>fails to get out of the hot tub once
>might as well give in
Where were these girls when I grew up

She did make it extremely clear. Did you even watch the show? How socially inept are you?

Does someone have a webm for that scene?

It happens by the end of episode 12.

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It was pretty God damn obvious that she didn't want it. You don't just get to decide on your own which girls are "playing hard to get" and which girls genuinely don't want you there. If there's anything other than stark enthusiasm, you leave her the fuck alone.

You people are feloniously stupid.

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oh iam sorry did my facts ruffle your cuckold lib sensibilities?

The first rape he committed was rape. He could get off in court if he could get witness accounts of his sobriety.

Hannah never yelled for help like she does if a guy so much as looks at her in the rest of the series. She never tried to fight. She never said no or stop. She fidgeted then laid there soulless. It was her giving herself a reason to take her own life that wasn't "duh I told my fwiend to walk away n he did wut a jerk". Bryce was in the right in that scene.

jajaja

No you are a fucking retard because you are replying to bait, you dumb mongoloid

>replying to bait

">She didn't say no."
"Neither did Jessica. That's not how consent works."
was bait? face it, you got told, cuck

Jessica was also passed out drunk and trying to mumble no. Not an argument.

Holy shit, you dumb newfag I'm not the same guy. Now go fuck off, you retarded memespouting drone

Is Sam making these? MDE seems to make it into every starter pack.

Lol (you) are a fucking retard.

>be Hannah
>biggest self-pitying cunt in high school even though she has a perfectly happy upbringing and is well liked by everyone
>constantly grasping at straws to find fuel for her personal "tragedy" and eventual drama queen suicide
>walk in on dude Bryce raping her friend Jessica
>feel totally butt-blasted that now even Jessica has a sadder life than her and doesn't even know about it
>go to Bryce's party and linger around in his hot tub wearing a bikini
>he finally takes the bait and fucks her
>starfish and do bare minimum to resist him without risking actually causing him to stop because then she doesn't have a sad story
>YES!! now i finally have a more tragic story than that bitch Jessica!! time to pull the biggest john green bullshit ever and record a bunch of fucking cassette tapes guilt-tripping everyone who's ever looked at me sideways, then an hero in my bathtub where my loving parents will find me and be horrifically traumatized!

Get the fuck out of here mongoloid.

That's really this series in a nutshell.

Hit the nail right on the head, user.

Couldn't stand watching past episode 3.

>ywn take Jessica's boyfriend's place and save her.
>ywn have to look at a gun in her hands and hope she doesn't shoot herself after shooting Bryce.
>ywn have to watch her spiral into alcoholism.
She was the only tragedy in this show. Why'd the focus have to be set on such an attention-craving bitch? And fuck that main cuck too, keying people's cars and shit for no reason. I'd have beat him down worse than Bryce.

And if we're being honest here, the actual reason chicks like Hannah slit their wrists in the bathtub, when you get past all the reasons they manufacture out of self-pity, is because they watch self-indulgent shows and movies that romanticize suicide.

>Asking for it each and every time makes you sound insecure.
Only because you are insecure. Get over your arrogance you childish faggot

>all you need to do is say "is this okay?" or "are you alright with this?"
Literally nobody does this. You sound like some kind of sperg.

Yeah there was all kinds of sad shit on the fringes of the show that apparently just wasn't worth anybody's time. Jessica's rape, Justin's abusive stepdad, and you know, Alex's fucking suicide at the end which apparently isn't worth any real fanfare because he didn't make a whole big thing out of it, so it's treated as a footnote.