How can fedoras disregard the bible as trash so lightly? I mean even if they don't belive in any religion...

How can fedoras disregard the bible as trash so lightly? I mean even if they don't belive in any religion, this book is a fucking historical artifact and the influence it has had is massive. Our entire culture, our set of western values and the morals we have are all connected to it. Are fedorafucks just incapable of understanding this or do they not care?

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atheists can't see beyond their next "muh cummies" or "muh weed".

Fedoras want to be able to make up their own morals and do anything they please

Even animals can agree to a common set of social rules

Goosegumps can do the same if you force it into a child's life from birth.

The book isn't special.

But those books haven't been forced into a child's life for generations upon generations. The book itself might not be special but the impact it has had is massive. Ever wondered why christian countries look so remotely different from muslim countries?

Well, alright. To clarify, i think the bible is overrated. I don't think it's trash or worthless. I just think it's overrated and the message it tries to convey could be more helpful ifit left out all the Harry Potter make believe shit as well as all the condemnations.

Without believing that "Harry Potter shit" there is no absolute legitimacy to the Bible's teachings

And we're back to relativistic square one

i am thinking about converted to Christianity actually, should i do it?

There's your problem. I would accept any book thay tries to promote ethical and moral behavior an setting forth some guidelines on how to live a happy life and keep society healthy. Apparently other peoplw absolutely need that message to be contained in a magical fairytale environment.

You've never even read the bible, have you.

>There's your problem.

It's everyone's problem. If you want a stable and coherent social structure, you have to homogenise its moral beliefs

>I would accept any book thay tries to promote ethical and moral behavior an setting forth some guidelines on how to live a happy life and keep society healthy.

Moral guidelines are impossible and completely brake down when being spread, if you don't have even a theoretical absolute source behind them

>Apparently other peoplw absolutely need that message to be contained in a magical fairytale environment.

That magical fairytale environment is the only place where even the possibility for absolute legitimacy can be found

Only if you sincerely believe in this: anglicansonline.org/basics/nicene.html

And only if you also agree to follow Christ's teachings

Combination for taking things they heard from heretics for face value without doing any investigation, they are overwhelmed and seduced by the prestige of the academians, and they want to live an unrestricted lifestyle.

As G.K. Chesterton would say, they disregard the Bible because they fear what would happen if they were to regard it

>Our entire culture, our set of western values and the morals we have are all connected to it

That actually false, all of our Western Values, our Government system and our laws come from Pagan religions.

The only things we have in common with Christianity are the concepts they took from Pagan traditions, like Christmas.

>mfw typical leaf post

The meme is real

>r/atheism
>revleft

i can do that

What law do we follow that is based on the Bible?

You just became a Christian

Now find out what the Christ wants us to do and you're good to go

>Protip: see the Gospel

>what is the law and what is moral are one and the same

Are you Jewish?

>No I can't think of any examples, let me preach instead

Here is a list of "Nine Noble Virtues" as used by some Norse Pagans:

Courage - the ability to face both the joys and the challenges of life fearlessly;
Truth - honesty and integrity in one's words as well as one's actions;
Honor - strength of character as reflected in one's behavior and trustworthiness;
Fidelity - loyalty and faithfulness to family, tribal, and spiritual commitments;
Discipline - consistency in effort toward reaching one's goals;
Hospitality - kindness to strangers, travelers, and those who are in need;
Industriousness - willingness to work hard toward excellence in productivity;
Self-Reliance - pride in the ability to care for one's own needs;
Perseverance - refusal to admit defeat or to let obstacles thwart one's efforts.

Cuz we have read real books that aren't made to insight fear and obedience and cause war.
Yes its an important part of history but in the sense of learning from our mistakes.
Just read Christopher Hitchen's God is not great how religion poisons everthing. he answers your exact question better than I ever could.

Why are these virtues?

Because Odin said so?

>DUUUU DISTINCTIONS IS FOR NERDS DUUUUUU

Then I reject that. Paganism BTFO

Go read CS Lewis' The Abolition Of Man.

Because I've read most of it. It's pretty low-tier. Plenty of good Christian scholars, Christian philosophers, and Christian natural philosophers (i.e. scientists) out there, but the people who wrote the Bible weren't among them. I guess Mathew was OK.

They disregard the Bible as proof of God's existence because it's written by people. I don't remember any atheist denying its worth as a historical document, though some don't like it as an ethical code.

I never said it true.

I just said that most of our tradition, concepts of morality, concepts of Government and concepts of Law are based on Pagan traditions. Not Christianity.

Most Christians believe in a Micky-Mouse version of what they think is in the Bible, very few people actually read it.

I've got a few books on my list before that, but it's there. Without Christianity he doesn't have natural law, is what I was getting at

I never knew that paganism was this huge monolithic bloc. Funny.

You clearly don't understand how religion works, it's created under the pretense that we do not know how the universe works... Because we don't.
This book has shaped western society for tens of centuries. This book was able to enligthen the masses of the people, and work towards a better world. It doesn't matter if that motivation is based of a fantasy, or faith. Because it yields results and ultimately, doesn't matter for anyone besides that person.
What Atheism does is that it removes this essential part of religion, that has supported society, from time immemorial, without replacing it with something that works in its stead.
Atheism doesn't work to enlighten the religious community, it comes to demoralize them and rip people away from social decency.

Dis nigga played too much Ultima.

Not an argument.

I should have explained: it's a brilliant book in its own right, but it also zeroes right in on your question. Lewis noticed ancient and seemingly unrelated cultures all identifying the same fundamental rules and goes into how that works and why.

"Paganism" is a vague term for the hundreds of religions that existed across the region before Christianity united everyone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism

All of the Roman literature was rewritten by the Church during the dark ages.

Sounds similar to Chesterton's idea that all polytheism is just degenerated monotheism. Natural law would thus be the remnants of the monotheistic theology that these cultures once had.

>This book was able to enligthen the masses of the people, and work towards a better world.
I don't accept this premise. Time and time again Christians have cherry picked what they want from that book in order to subjugate the idiotic masses with mind control doctrine. Simply because it works doesn't mean it's morally just.

>All of the Roman literature was rewritten by the Church during the dark ages.

That's because real pagans (not LARP-ers) fucking rekt the Roman Empire

>wikipedia
>"the dark ages"

Oy vey!

Christmas is a traditional pagan holiday.

The tree is a pagan tradition, gift giving is a pagan tradition. Easter and the Easter Bunny are pagan.

Our legal system is based on Roman law. The laws the Church did make (like burning witches, Islam style) are mostly removed.

There is nothing really Christian about Western Society. It's a bunch of different Pagan religions with Christian names on the side. Most of what we consider to be "Christian" existed before Rome forced Christianity on everything.

I don't care
I've dealt with religious people and I get sick of their hypocrisy and self-righteous nature. Throw the bible at me one minute and then jack off to gay porn the next

>he doesn't know that Rome was sacked by Arian (yes, Arian not Aryan) Germanics and not pagans

>celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is AKSHUALLY pagan

>Simply because it works doesn't mean it's morally just.

You can't have an objectively just morality without God

Your moral judgement has no meaning in the absence of an absolute authority

It's just you being subjective

Western Romans were pagans. Eastern Rome was Christian.

The temples and what not existed in Rome before it collapsed, but a lot of the laws and tradition we follow were created by those barbarians after the fall of Rome, before they converted to Christianity.

Yeah why regard the bible as trash when its paper makes perfectly good rollies?

you've never read the bible.

inb4 christcuck

I read it in jail when I was jailed for hitch hiking because it was the only book.

>Western Rome was pagan

There's no record of the day/year Jesus was born.

Christmas trees, opening gifts, Christmas stars, Santa Claus are all pagan.

Germanic paganism, Odin, and Christianization
An 1886 depiction of the long-bearded Germanic god Odin by Georg von Rosen

Prior to Christianization, the Germanic peoples (including the English) celebrated a midwinter event called Yule (Old English geola or guili).[20] With the Christianization of Germanic Europe, numerous traditions were absorbed from Yuletide celebrations into modern Christmas.[21] During this period, supernatural and ghostly occurrences were said to increase in frequency, such as the Wild Hunt, a ghostly procession through the sky. The leader of the wild hunt is frequently attested as the god Odin and he bears the Old Norse names Jólnir, meaning "yule figure" and the name Langbarðr, meaning "long-beard" (see list of names of Odin).[22]

The god Odin's role during the Yuletide period has been theorized as having influenced concepts of St. Nicholas in a variety of facets, including his long white beard and his gray horse for nightly rides (see Odin's horse Sleipnir), which was traded for reindeer in North America.[23] Margaret Baker comments that "The appearance of Santa Claus or Father Christmas, whose day is 25th of December, owes much to Odin, the old blue-hooded, cloaked, white-bearded Giftbringer of the north, who rode the midwinter sky on his eight-footed steed Sleipnir, visiting his people with gifts. … Odin, transformed into Father Christmas, then Santa Claus, prospered with St Nicholas and the Christchild became a leading player on the Christmas stage."[24]


Other than going to Church and giving them money, there's nothing Christian about Christmas.

Im an atheist, and I agree the bible is the most important book in history, even though most of it is plagarized...

Many tribes were invading the non-Arian Christian Roman Empire

Most of them were pagan

So if you only take the (((commercial))) aspects of the holiday, it's perfectly pagan. Funny how paganism perfectly coincides with the will of the Jews

No

God allows everything evil to happen. He isn't moral.

>determinism

I... couldn't resist calling you out

They don't understand this though.

They just spout nonsense like

>millions of people have died due to religion!
>Christianity is responsible for the Dark Ages!
>Christianity is a backwards religion that is holding us back from true enlightenment

They don't understand that Christianity helped shape our culture, laws, human rights etc

Atheists can agree to common rules as well. We call them laws. We just don't agree that morality is objective. Animals that make a consensus on rules do so to preserve their prides/herds/schools etc., not because they believe in a God

Not all atheists are nihilists, just because we disagree and debate on what morality is most beneficial and don't accept the laws of a 2000 year old book without question

You need to actually look beyond the stupid fedora meme and realize that atheists are a massive and growing ideology, containing based people and cucks alike- just like Christianity

Morality is not possible without the possibility of choosing evil

Link me some sources

No, we're not talking about people choosing to be immoral. God chooses to be immoral.

>Atheists can agree to common rules as well. We call them laws. We just don't agree that morality is objective.

If laws come not from morality, then none can be objectively good or bad. And they are completely arbitrary one to another

>realize that atheists are a massive and growing ideology

I thought it was "just the absence of belief"

I don't know of any links, but the Goths and the Vandals were Christians well before the accepted date of the Fall of the Roman Empire

Constantine was the first Christian Roman Emperor, but most Western Romans at the time despised him for it.

Rome was sacked in 410, Rome had collapsed by 476 AD.... so "300 to 600" basically covers Rome's collapse and Eastern Rome pushing back into Europe briefly under Justinian.


And at this time, there was probably 100 different version of Christianity, one for every former Pagan religion it replaced. Constantine still worshiped Pagan Gods and Christian Gods.

Constantine is not actually known for allowing ALL religions to be worshiped legally. Another Western law we use today, founded by a Pagan.

God and jesus reminds me of taylor swift and her boyfriends...

Like how its been said that guys are afraid to date her cause they dont want a song written about them

God chooses to allow human evil so that it can feely be chosen as an alternative to good

>Mind control doctrine
First of all religion is not a doctrine.
Secondly, extremely rarely has Christianity been used for a vile intention.
If you count citizens being afraid of God, and therefore not doing immoral and degenerative acts, as a subjugation. Then you are delusional, every person needs a drive that keeps them going wether that is fear, or faith doesn't matter. For that is up to the individual to decide what he prioritizes.
But the fact of the matter is, that Christianity was able to lead a generally chaotic mass off people into a organized community which was beneficial to everyone.
Your personal opinion is nothing against hundreds of years of proof.

That's correct, including the date.

So without any traditions, or a day.

What is left exactly?

I'm imagining they were progressively Christianised as they were sacking Rome. Not all at once

The quickest way to become an atheist is to actually read the Bible.

I'm convinced that none of you Christfags actually read it front to back. If you did, you'd realize it's no different from the sandnigger book.

That joke would be funny if I gave a fuck about Tyler Swift or any shitty music that comes across the border.

Europe converted to Christianity bottom-up. The ruling classes were the last ones to convert, generally. So Constantine's conversion and the Edict of Milan was a long time coming

If that's a good thing then why do we break up schoop fights? Why stop robberies? Why stop people abusing others?.

That's what happened to the other tribes (the Lombards, for one) but the Goths and Vandals were definitely Christians before they invaded. Of course, they were Arian Christians, not Roman Christians.

Not until much later for the most part.

Initially pagan, the Goths were gradually converted to Arian Christianity in the course of the 4th Century as a result of the missionary activity by the Gothic bishop Wulfila, who devised an alphabet to translate the Bible.

During the 370s, converted Goths were persecuted by the remaining pagan authorities of the Thervingi people.

The Visigothic Kingdom in Hispania converted to Catholicism in the 7th Century.

The Ostrogoths (and their remnants, the Crimean Goths) were in close connection to the Patriarchate of Constantinople from the 5th Century, and became fully incorporated under the Metropolitanate of Gothia from the 9th Century.

But there are also Saxons and Vikings, which play a big role in our culture as well. Probably more so in Northern part of Europe.

Looking for an image from canadian culture... cant find one

Because humans are free (and commanded) to stop evil.

God will not allow Himself to mind control anyone from their choices

Didn't know that. Cheers

What? That's BS. The land owners (kings) adopted Christianity so they could get money from the Holy Roman Empire.

It's hard to argue with someone who was appointed King by God.

Most Atheists hate the Bible and other major religions because "White "people" are BAD! M'Kay. Also because the Bible says you can't be a faggot.

Here's one. Thanks for showing up to the war though (3 years later..)

Yeah fuck that. Im supposed to thank him for being tossed into a plagued existence just because...fuck him and his ant farms zoos. I'll live here because I dont have a choice bit I won't thank him for it.

By the time the HRE came into existence, the area you could call "core Europe" was very much Christianised.

Game of Thrones might be good TV but it's not history.

Why are people sticking Atheists in the same category as leftists?

Where do you think all the youtube Atheists disappeared too?

youtube.com/watch?v=njtHwNvQrhw

youtube.com/watch?v=O4lFSq_Efzk


Fuck dude, we are on the same team.

Hands up if you got a groomed dick

They're not zoos, because we have freedoms

Think of our lives are natural reservations. You're not gonna get any more natural than this

wrong. the romans and greeks had more to do with modern western civilization than christianity. we have a democracy. jew faggotry is about monarchies. king of the jews or your lord. the messiah is gods son. seem a bit like nepotism to me

and illiteracy had allowed the clergy to not bother telling people about shit tons of rules in the book. the catholics have nuns. women can not speak in church in the new testament

I don't watch TV, I have no idea what Game of Thorns in about.

Rich Land owners with a common belief formed the Holy Roman Empire.
The majority of the Barons in the Dark Ages would have been of Roman decent, and probably were Christian from the start. They would rent out their land to barbarians after Rome collapsed, which is what led to fiefdom.

The also wouldn't ignore the influence that Islam would have had on Western Culture, especially when the Moors invaded. People probably started to unify their religious beliefs to counter this.

You can be jailed for hitch hiking? Wtf kind of dumb law is that? Governments are so utterly retarded.

The laws DO come from morality- an agreed upon consensus- like a democratic vote if you will. But like I say, there are still no OBJECTIVE morals. They are merely a concept created in the brain of what is good behavior towards others. Morals are usually grey, not black and white.

Atheism is just an absence of belief, yeah I messed up. I just mean that only a minority of Atheists are these "euphoric" fedora manchildren so far up their own arses that they end up making themselves there own God.

>The laws DO come from morality- an agreed upon consensus- like a democratic vote if you will.
> But like I say, there are still no OBJECTIVE morals.
>They are merely a concept created in the brain of what is good behavior towards others. Morals are usually grey, not black and white.

Then no law is objectively better than another. They are all arbitrary whims and concepts

All these big name athiests have been attacking Leftist bullshit before the right starting picking up on it

youtube.com/watch?v=mg0CZZUFyeo

youtube.com/watch?v=x64cy3Bcr98

The illusion of freedom. An illusion of choices.

You're so sick and blind. Living your life empty until you give all your energy and power to another being without consideration that it's YOUR power.

Do any of you theists stop to wonder why deities of any religion, let alone yours, require worship and praise? Require Human influence?

It is because they are not deities. They are not gods or powerful. Your god is not a god it is a predator, filling you with fear and primal instinct so it may cow you into giving up your beliefs, your energy and your power to it. So you can feed it with your insecurity and lack of faith in yourself and the power you're unironically giving away.

Your Bibles and other holy books reference Humanity as powerful, glowing sources of light and energy, or souls. Our souls are POWER. They are bargaining chips between beings who can use our emotions to manipulate us into surrendering our power to them.

This doesn't mean those beings are better or greater than us. They aren't more powerful if their entire modus operandi is using US as power and currency.

Wake up and realize that WE are infinite. We are eternal. We are the light and the dark. We are the alpha and the Omega. And we are vulnerable to ourselves and our ego. We can be manipulated easily into believing we are not powerful, and thus willfully surrender all power through that belief. It is a lie made to turn you into a battery or livestock.

This reality and everything about is made to shove the infinite power of an eternal soul into a weak, ignorant, quivering mass of mortal flesh, unaware and incapable, constantly searching for something we are missing, but can never find. Good and evil experienced doled out in balance so as to never break the illusion. This reality is a prison for the infinite power you are, to be turned into power currency.

>we have a democracy
Nope.

>Do any of you theists stop to wonder why deities of any religion, let alone yours, require worship and praise?

To build and cement a personal mental connection with our principles

>[all the other things you're saying]

You need to realise Christianity is a natural evolution and the apex of moral health

What you're doing there is just teenage hybris

Proverbs 16:18

>expecting people to take any of the "people do shit in the desert 2000 years ago" stories seriously

>Matthew

Hole up, ima let you finish, but Paul was the greatest biblical author that ever was

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