Who else here is /totalitarian/?

so i have come to the realization that individualism and "freedom" only leads to degeneracy, egoism and social collapse. i think to split the world into several small homogenious nationalistic totalitarian states would be the solution.
a country should be seen as a body. the infrastructure is the organs, the population is the cells and blood, military and police is the muscles and the leader is the brain.

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Totalitarian states need to constantly spend resources to maintain their rule or face collapse

Free states can morph themselves according the whims of the population and the market while causing the totalitarian populations to envy their decadent way of live.

Whatever the "moral" justifications for highly ordered society would be, the smart and capable individuals will always flock to more personal liberty until you end up with a country full of retards.

there is an easy solution for this.
don't let then leave.
>market while causing the totalitarian populations to envy their decadent way of live.
there is an easy solution to this to. either ban or heavely censor foreign media

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll grow out of it.

me.

i want to see civilans protesters dead in the streets and live in fear. while a greater power guides them to better things

>Ho Ho Ho I'll be top of the party in a totalitarian government and I'll be above those darn degenerates

Enjoy your assigned job as a coal miner

So you become locked to whatever tech and economy you had until the world around you squashes you like a bug

Dude like what if we just like killed all of the bad guys lmao

>squashes you like a bug
not if we have nukes.

Yeah, we need to bring back monarchy tbqh.

it's not about individual interest user.
it's about the greater good.
but a degenerate like you would never understand

So you are basing your entire survival on the gamble that ABM defense will never be a thing and that a country won't just send in commandos to cuck you from your missiles before you get a chance to use them

But when the majority are forced to do nothing more than subsist and labor for the society, is it really the "greater" good?

Who benefits?

that didn't happen to north korea.
Sweden also have the technological capacity to develop nuclear weapons very fast

Norks only exist because they are backed by China, an actually relevant nation.
And you're still basing your entire survival on one piece of technology

it's about to ensure that our society is free from globalism and degeneracy.
its about the survival of my people and its culture.

Even in Sweden's peak of military technology they didn't have half the man power required or the reason to use it. Face it, your county needs the rest of the world and the rest of the world doesn't need you.

Totalitarian governments only serve the purpose of making hard changes in the short term, the model simply cannot last because as the finnbro said individuals will always envy the personal freedoms of the other countries and no matter how much you try to force it the people always win

The reality is that most of the concepts libcucks spout could work if the country was homogeneous, monoreligious and with a strong national identity, it has been shown time and time again that these three pillars of identity make for the most stable high trust societies with the extra bonus of not sacrificing any personal liberties

>Norks only exist because they are backed by China, an actually relevant nation.
china don't really like the norks but they don't want US puppet south korea to expand to their border.
but i am pretty sure an "anti-US impiralism" dictatorial sweden could find some allies like russia to back us.

What if I seek personal meaning and fulfillment beyond my society and surroundings?

Theocracy for the win

The height of cuckoldry. You want to be a whipping boy slave.

then your'e part of the problem.
your'e an egotistical degenerate that don't care about your country.
into the oven with you

Nah, you want to be led because you're weak.

just like north korea, haiti and paraguay
come on sven stop getting drunk from somali cum

and as soon as you even thought about that choice everyone with a middle class income or above and half a brain would take the next plane out.

The free countries around you would express some fake sympathy while rubbing their hands when all of Sweden's wealth and knowledge falls to their laps

>i think to split the world into several small homogenious nationalistic totalitarian states would be the solution. a country should be seen as a body. the infrastructure is the organs, the population is the cells and blood, military and police is the muscles and the leader is the brain.

In other words, you're 14 and just read 1984. Don't worry, you'll grow up.

Maybe monoreligious is too strong of a statement, but instead with a clear majority of the population having the same religion

i dont know about totalitarian, but a strong (see stable) state is based around genetic homogeny and a shared responsibility of all citizens to maintain the state. problem with modern democracies is that the citizens feel separate from the government. people need to know that they are the government and the state and what ever they do impacts everyone else

real cuckoldry is to let your country be a degenerate globalist "nation" seeing your people become less swedish and more americanized every day. only way to stop this is with radical extreme methods

You a muslim by any chance?

>problem with modern democracies is that the citizens feel separate from the government. people need to know that they are the government

That's literally the point of democracy.

Only simple minds and children deal with black and white absolutes.

as i wrote before. dont let them leave.
some will resist at first but they will be shoot. people will start acepting the new order when they start to realize that they don't want to risk their own or their families lives

>who else is totalitarian

fundamentally? almost this whole fucking board
>that's why we all come here

no i want the mudslime scum to leave.
but any real nationalist should fear the globalist americanization too. it's actually more damaging in the long run.
we can easely segregate ourself from the shitskin (if the politicians would allow it) but most shills wont realize that they are losing their cultural and pretty much becoming americanized. this is good for the globalists

You wouldn't be able to keep them in. Can't build Rome in a day and every developed country around you would jump to the opportunity to gain world class experts for peanuts.

Yet you want to become a nation of goat herders

lol so edgy

how about read some economics

that or grow up

SWEDEN YES

Personal meaning tends not to come from things like how your country is perceived by other countries. Knowing that a hypothetical France, or Russia, or China looks at my hypothetically totalitarian home and thinks "Huh, they run a tight ship and they sure are ethnically homogenous" doesn't provide anything meaningful in the long-term. When you get a little older, you'll understand that.

Condemning people for being "egotists" because they want to live satisfying lives instead of dedicating themselves to the idea of something they had no part in starting is fallacious. Nationalism is a noble, impressive thing. But unwilling nationalism is no nationalism at all. And you'll probably figure that out on your own eventually.

I figure you're probably just going to tell me to kill myself or whatever, so I'll bid you a very nice day and express my fond hope that your love of country can be channeled into a more productive ideology later down the line.

rly med me thunk

No. Sup Forums is a libertarian board.

>how about read some economics
you mean the current globalist economy?
no thanks

Totalitarian governments are not sustainable in the long term.
Yes, a brief period under totalitarian rule would do only good to the West, but it can't be kept in place for long.
A totalitarian system should aim at morphing the culture and create closer social ties, then transition to a more democratic platform.

We need strict traditionalism through strict upbringing, both through parenting and through the education system.

But totalitarianism is counter-productive. You can't force upon a person morals the he himself does not believe in, it does not work. Instead, you must make the person believe it is in his interests to adhere to them.

Are you roleplaying as North Korea, literally the shittiest and most cucked country in the world?

You boot licking statist.

how is this "sweden yes" it's pretty much the opposite to tolerant liberal degeneracy

we need a world order, a new one

>nationalism
>cucked
they don't have dindus, mudslimes, antifa, liberals, gays, trannies, feminists etc

No, you need a loosening of control. Businesses and the population simply require to be left alone, not controlled. If companies are left alone they will compete with each other and new industries will emerge.

You have to understand that companies are the infrastructure of a country, not the military. The only exception would be things like public services, which must be run non profit where any profit made must be invested back in to improving the service.

Totalitarian regimes are not sustainable in the long term, even China has learned this. They require a status quo, a safe constant that can be invested in. Once a change is required they are reluctant to change with it because they lose power.

lol that sounds like communism...

No it's not. It's the exact same thing. Liberal degeneracy is the blind following of ideas and lack of individual thought. This breeds weakness which is at the core of liberal degeneracy. You are just playing at another side of the exact same coin.

North Korea is the example of left wing nationalism

But the companies will eventualy betray the country for the globalists.
and most people are dumb shills following the globalists.
it's better to let the shills follow an nationalistic state instead

i don't neceserely like evertything with north korea. but atleast they are free from globalist degeneracy

You know what the also don't have?
>Food
>Strength
>Good living conditions
>Freedom
>Their own culture beyond that of subservience

The have fear, and that's pretty much it. You can have a strong bond to your brothers and your culture only if you had the freedom to choose to forge that bond. Bonds made of fear are easily broken.

i said i don't neceserely like everything with NK. i think they have gone a little to far with the personality cult thing and while self sufficency is noble and desirable in the long run they can't handle it right now.

That is true, to a certain extent. What is needed is more competition for these larger companies. Many small companies will not find skilled labor abroad.

With de-regulation smaller companies can compete and even innovate and provide a service better than the larger companies, taking some of the market share with them.

but i have a hard time beleving NK is as bad as the globalist media says

You know that anti-Sup Forums pasta that states that only one in 10,000 post here is intelligent, reasonable and insightful?

This is one.

I know people who have visited there on multiple occasions as secret missionaries, they say it has more of an underground dislike for their authority than is portrayed, but still sucks dong to live in.

>trusting CIA agents

No, just Christian missionaries.

>Sven
>Totalitarian

Sure thing buddy.

To be honest, I am. But the problem is that every society by definition is that. Iron law of oligarch and stuff. It is really human nature.

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>fuck anime

>wasting energy
go NK

there is more to life than materialistic needs, nigger

You're damn right. However, non-material needs are way easier to satisfy when you have an abundance of goods and services, or when you're not wasting at a prison for disagreeing with the Glorious Leader.

I fully agree with this m8 and I sense a lot of people are coming to this conclusion as well. It is European individualism which is allowing collectivist, group orientated sand tribes to displace us in our own motherland.

Hail a totalitarian future

Hail the awakening of European collective racial consciousness

Hail Victory!

14/88

Fuck u

you need to keep people in check, if you are too liberal faggots appear and you country disappear

Monarchy/Totalitarianism is best system
in the film Thor Loki explained why.

nice to see some likeminded
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I really wish benevolent dictatorships would be easier to maintain

No, Democracy leads to those things. Democracy is collectivism and a soft form of communism.

>who else here is /totalitarian/?
So you make /totalitarian/ to a idealism or even identity? Totalitarianism is sometimes a necessary bad and comes in nuances not a fixed and ready package. It's a tool for governing.

>So you make /totalitarian/ to a idealism or even identity?
no but i see myself as a totalitarian nationalist

Democracy is the new world order.

The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with your average citizen.

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