Ask a Marxist anything

Ask a Marxist anything.

Oh, and before you say it, government control of the economy is not Socialism, it's State interventionism.

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Same thing.

>and sage

Do you wear a chastity belt?

which mental disorders have you been diagnosed with?

how old are you?

Nice joke, lad.

None.

20 (but before you criticise, I'm majoring in something useful; Accounting).

Don't you get sick of being right about everything all the time?

Why are all of you jealous faggots?

is venezuela real communism?

>Mexican intellectual
No that's state capitalism.

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haha

Why has Marxism never worked in practice?

What makes you so certain that dualistic thinking in the form of dialectics accurately describes human beings in this universe well enough to form a correct system of government?

Why do you believe that the abolition of Hierarchy is a good thing for society

We're not. We simply want the workers to control their own production. Why should bosses get a cut?

No, because the government controls the economy and imposes price controls.

As explained in the OP, it has never been implemented the way it was supposed to.

OK, assuming you are serious

1) Do you believe that there is no place for private property of the means of production?

2) Do you believe the way to achieve that goal (of a collectivisation of the means of production) is through class war?

3) Do you believe that a necessary intermediate state to achieve that goal is through government control of means of production?

take a piolet and kill yourself with it plz

Because all humans should be treated equally.

Why should one be above another?

re roll

rollerino

hehe xd

are you the negroid from r/fullcommunism

You were BTFO last time you made this thread, go be a meme elsewhere.

So the person who shared none of the risk and made none of the investment should get all of the profit? This is why no one likes your kind.

It never will work. When will you useful idiots become self aware that communism is just a measn for oligarchs to hijack populist movements and assert control over a population. You haven't even defined if you are a Marxist leninists, proto Marxist, or cultural Marxist yet either.

>Oh, and before you say it, government control of the economy is not Socialism, it's State interventionism.

good, then we can say the same about right anarchism and free markets. unless you want to be crushed to death under that cognitive dissonance that your side is often famous for...

>1) Do you believe that there is no place for private property of the means of production?

I believe individuals should be entitled to their own possessions, but not 'private property' in the sense of someone buying and hoarding land for themselves. There is a difference between personal and private property.

>2) Do you believe the way to achieve that goal (of a collectivisation of the means of production) is through class war?

That's a tough one. I can't be 100% sure. I wouldn't want anyone to die for the cause, but...I have to ask myself if it's not possible to just elect a Socialist government and then have it dissolve immediately after it wins....

>3) Do you believe that a necessary intermediate state to achieve that goal is through government control of means of production?

No, not at all. Government control isn't what we want, so why should it be necessary?

Because we are not all equal someone is always more capable then the other.
Therefore is the more capable of a higher value then a less capable person.
By rewarding capable person the most capable we motivate everyone to strive towards being their best selves.
Which in turn is better is better for the group.

have you ever used a hammer or a sickle?

>888
well then commies BTFO

You're the reason why Ireland is full of niggers.

>I believe individuals should be entitled to their own possessions, but not 'private property' in the sense of someone buying and hoarding land for themselves. There is a difference between personal and private property.

You did not answered my question. I didn't asked about possessions, I specifically asked if you believe there is no place for private property ** of means of production **

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>commie
>manual labor
>labor

rollington

Do you believe that the construction of cucksheds should be subsidized by taxing the bourgeois?

Why won't it work? It worked in revolutionary Catalonia in Spain during the Civil War in the 30's.

I'm just a Marxist.

>So the person who shared none of the risk and made none of the investment should get all of the profit?

But we don't want bosses in the first place. Workers can take on other workers. There is literally no reason to ever have bosses. Workers can operate businesses themselves.

>That's a tough one. I can't be 100% sure. I wouldn't want anyone to die for the cause, but...I have to ask myself if it's not possible to just elect a Socialist government and then have it dissolve immediately after it wins..

Again, you didn't answer my question. I asked if you believe the way to achieve that is through class war.

To improve on the question: if not through class war, by which mean can that goal to be achieved?

>Prevent people from acquiring private property, private =/= personal
>We don't want government control the people will learn how to control themselves

>Marxist
>Didn't read "The Capital"

Roller

> I specifically asked if you believe there is no place for private property ** of means of production **

Yes, there is no place for private control of the means of production.

Taxes aren't necessary in Socialism, tard.

>it has never been implemented the way it was supposed to.
if your system is so fucking retarded it cant even be implemented right time after time, i think its time to move on.

>Why should bosses get a cut
Confirmed to know literally nothing of economics
Enjoy your poverty.

>No, not at all. Government control isn't what we want, so why should it be necessary?

A follow up question:

The means of production are today in private hands.

The goal of marxism is to abolish that system, putting the means of production and the product of the labour in the hands of the workers.

What is the intermediate state between today and that goal?

>Useful
>Accounting

fucking this

That's what i meant

communism is for lazy people.

Why do all the (((Marxists))) I know love statism so much?

Do you believe that funding for the construction of cucksheds should come from the voluntary contributions of the bourgeois?

> I asked if you believe the way to achieve that is through class war.

No, again, I think it can be achieved through election of an actually Socialist party that dissolves the state and class immediately upon election.

There's no reason to think they won't.

>I'm just a Marxist

That's means you are a useful idiot then. Had the communists been successful in Spain the bolsheviks (Stalinists) would have destroyed the original member of the party and replaced them. It happens in every communist revolution.You might as well be a modern Jacobin.

Socialism is nothing but the capitalism of the lower classes, every Socialist outbreak only blazes new paths for Capitalism. There is no proletarian, not even a Communist movement, that has not operated in the interests of money, and for the time being permitted by money - and that without the idealists among its leaders having the slightest suspicion of the fact. An der Wirklichkeit der Geschichte, scheitert jede Ideologie. Agree?

gonna need an answer to this

>Yes, there is no place for private control of the means of production.

How do you intend the current owners of production to "give it up?" Who would they give it to?

>I think it can be achieved through election of an actually Socialist party that dissolves the state and class immediately upon election.

Some more follow up questions, probably the only intelligent ones you will get on this thread:

1) why would the current owners of the means of production, be them the so called 1% or the middle class that owns middle and small business vote for that? how would they be persuaded to give up the advantage they have?

2) the world is a big place. Without simultaneous implementation of the abolition of private property of means of production what's stopping the current owners from simply moving to a place where it was not implemented?

The reason it hasn't been implemented because people hijack the cause for their own power-gaining needs. Again, it worked in Catalonia!

How so?

>What is the intermediate state between today and that goal?

Are you asking me if I believe there should be a government to 'smooth out the transition' between private and worker ownership?
No, I believe it needs to be quick and dirty. We could elect a party, and they could dissolve the state and class.

Solved the Mises problem yet?

Unless you believe in

>Free will
>Race realism
>Free market doctrines

Egalitarianism is a meme. The only successful communist society was China and it essentially progressed into what marx theorized whether he realized it or not; the oligarchy of the prolitereate. They have eugenics programs and a hyper capitalistic system with an authoritarian government because the Marxist there believed that people would self govern. When the people tried to self govern, the cultural revolution occurred.

Suck a long hard veiny throbbing dick, you faggot.

I bet you like thick 10" uncircumcised penises ramming in and out of your throat.

I bet you'd try to suck it to the hilt. I bet you just love chugging down that salty slurry.

You're such a homosexual queerbag. It's disgusting.

Do you like getting a nice, shapely slab of man meat up the ass? I bet your ass feels so warm and wet.

You fucking faggot. Kill yourself leftist.

I believe that communism could only work in a small, intelligent, and ideologically aligned society. Only an accepted few who posses the key traits to making communism work could be allowed in the society, making it so everyone does equal work as well as gets an equal pay yet produced the best quality. Outside of that, even one rotten apple that doesn't believe in the idea or is lazy can make the whole thing go tumbling down, which is why it would not work in a large society. Any commentary or thoughts on my opinion?

How deep Marxism is connected with Irish liberation movement?

You ready for your free helicopter ride, cuck?

You could just shorten you questions you post modernist twat.

1. Why would people who own property give it up.

2. How will communism work if it doesn't have the world domination required to function.

I can answer that for you as well.

1. Brainwashing programs like the Politburo or KGB

2. Force.

It worked in Catalonia, lad.

Workers controlled production and the factories and everything else, and everyone was equal.

George Orwell loved it.

>How do you intend the current owners of production to "give it up?" Who would they give it to?

They would hand control over to the workers,

>1) why would the current owners of the means of production, be them the so called 1% or the middle class that owns middle and small business vote for that? how would they be persuaded to give up the advantage they have?

But user, we know already that the state keeps gaining more and more power over the economy as is anyway, thereby hampering the private sector. So ask yourself, do these same people vote for that? Of course not, the masses do.

>2) the world is a big place. Without simultaneous implementation of the abolition of private property of means of production what's stopping the current owners from simply moving to a place where it was not implemented?

Nothing. Let them go, and let the workers take full control. If anything, them leaving voluntary would be helpful to the cause.

Why haven't you killed yourself yet you disgusting pinko?

>Any commentary or thoughts on my opinion?
Socialism does not require good will of all members of the society. Only the part of the conscious proletariat is necessary.

Rolling

ah there it is, perfect.

Do you identify with any of our communist parties?

rollerblades

I am not referring to socialism, I am referring to communism in it's purest form

Are you an anarchist? What is your "utopian" form of government?

A lot, actually. The IRA were Marxists, for example.

Communism does not require you to work at all in the common sense. You just do what you like.

No government, hence the abolition of state that comes with Socialism.

It was. What about now?

Was Zeppo funny?

If you abolish the state, who or what is gonna issue laws, issue a national strategy , conduct governance and prevent corruption ?

seize the means of production, do it now.

That's all I wanted to know.

Based on your answers here (), here (), here () and the one I'm responding I confirmed the suspicious I had: you are not a Marxist but an utopic socialist.

Read up to understand what I mean but I'll quote a little bit from Wikipedia [1] so you understand why is that:

> The term "utopian socialism" was introduced by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in The Communist Manifesto in 1848, (...). The term was used by later socialist thinkers to describe early socialist or quasi-socialist intellectuals who created hypothetical visions of egalitarian, communalist, meritocratic, or other notions of "perfect" societies without considering how these societies could be created or sustained.

> (...)

> Although utopian socialists shared few political, social, or economic perspectives, Marx and Engels argued that they shared certain intellectual characteristics. In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels wrote,

(and here is where it applies to you)

> "The undeveloped state of the class struggle, as well as their own surroundings, causes Socialists of this kind to consider themselves far superior to all class antagonisms. They want to improve the condition of every member of society, even that of the most favored. Hence, they habitually appeal to society at large, without distinction of class; nay, by preference, to the ruling class. For how can people, when once they understand their system, fail to see it in the best possible plan of the best possible state of society? Hence, they reject all political, and especially all revolutionary, action; they wish to attain their ends by peaceful means, and endeavor, by small experiments, necessarily doomed to failure, and by the force of example, to pave the way for the new social Gospel."


(continues)

[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopian_socialism#Development

Explain in detail how a business can be run without management.

Answer this I want to give you shit if you get the wrong answer.

MUH BOI, MUH BOI!!

It lasted for three years and had to torture dissenters to function. FDR praised Mussolini, so to be fair I don't give a rat's as what a celebrity thinks about a political movement. Had it tried to globalize all of Catalonia wouldve be sent to camps for "education". Every Marxist revolution starts and ends like this.

1. Utopia anti-capitalism the freedom of workers
2. How do we do this?
3. Arguments
4.political factions emerge
5. Side a wishes for freedom of oppression, while side b wishes for freedom from authoritarianism
6. Coups
7 demagoguery
8 Self destruction.

How many of these "successful" Marxist societies last for more than the siring of one generation without the use of force?

That is why I say it would only work in a small society with a workforce based attitude, because if the people do not take to the farms then no one will eat. If they do not have scientists who purely work on science, they will be left behind or invaded by corrupt foreign technologies which destroy the abundance of communally owned resources

>If you abolish the state, who or what is gonna issue laws, issue a national strategy , conduct governance and prevent corruption ?


The people.

inb4

>BUT THAT'S A STATE

They conclude:

> Marx and Engels used the term "scientific socialism" to describe the type of socialism they saw themselves developing.

> According to Engels, socialism was not "an accidental discovery of this or that ingenious brain, but the necessary outcome of the struggle between two historically developed classes – the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. Its task was no longer to manufacture a system of society as perfect as possible, but to examine the historical-economic succession of events from which these classes and their antagonism had of necessity sprung, and to discover in the economic conditions thus created the means of ending the conflict."

Please, stop embarrassing yourself in public. At least study a little bit the struggle of people much smarter than you (bloody Karl Marx, for instance) that a long time ago understood that what you preach (utopian socialism) can never work.

You call yourself a "Marxist" but you don't know Marx. You don't know shit.

Grow up, study history, study Marx, study Adam Smith, study what happened in the 19th and 20th centuries and then come back to talk about your political leanings.

Don't take me wrong, I admire your enthusiasm but you don't know enough to preach anything.

Work hard, study hard, be smart and be happy, leave political bullshit for when you have more experience.

No one likes Zeppo and Gummo. Zeppo could sure fuckin' sing, though

I think you have an idealistic perspective that nobody does anything unless they are pushed to.

> In Marxist theory, Socialism is just a "transitional" state between capitalism and Communism.

Who are your "heroes"... Kropotkin, Trotsky ?

>first roll is snakepenis

10/10

OK Mr. Accountant then tell me please, at what price would you value your assets in a socialist society?

Aren't you a bit too old to believe in fairy tales, "comrade"?

There is no price in socialist society.

Sup Leftypol how's the revolution going?

Ask a Capitalist anything.

Oh, and before you say it, government control of the economy is not capitalism, it's State interventionism.

>But we don't want bosses in the first place. Workers can take on other workers. There is literally no reason to ever have bosses. Workers can operate businesses themselves.

Lets go into business together for ourselves to show the world that a Marxist co-operative can work perfectly well without the need for capitalist bosses. How about electronics manufacturing?

We'll set up in Ireland seeing as it's your location. I'm a penniless student, so you'll have to fly me in. Also because of the debt I have on my Gender Studies degree, I won't be eligible for a loan for the factory space for the production plant either, so if you could foot that, that'd be great. You might have to get the CNC machines too, and probably some computers, but those are cheap enough these days.

Materials I can partially cover with some money borrowed from my parents... Up to about £200 maybe? How much will that get us I wonder. Anything you can provide would be great too.

I should mention I know very little about electronics manufacturing because of my Gender Studies degree, but I can tell you about unoffensive stereotype-free marketing, so we'll be relying on your expertise to bring me up to speed.

So after you've flown me in, bought the factory, purchased the materials, invested in the means of production, and taught me electronics engineering, I look forward to finally beginning production with you as equal 50% cooperative owner of the business.

Oh if any of this sounds unfair to you it's actually unfair to me and I'll get my friends and we'll seize the means of production and run the business as a socialist collective without you.

20 year old accounting marxist, top kek

post again when you grow up and are no longer able to suck on the governments tit

How do the people decide on what laws to create, how are they going to enforce those laws ? How will they decide on a national strategy concerning monetary/foreign policy and allocation of people/resources?
How do they prevent corruption?