If iq is determined by race then how can the same race have different iq scores throughout the country

if iq is determined by race then how can the same race have different iq scores throughout the country

iq is a bad measure of intelligence

Sup Forums BTFO

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Maybe it is possible for a nation with 1.3 billion people, spread across nearly 4 million square miles to have some degree of genetic difference?

There are multiple ethnic groups in China. You are ignorant and should not attempt to make arguments.

Because IQ is a scale.
If you take only Chinese people, the average will be 100.
If you take the entire population, the average will be 100.

The average is always 100.

almost the whole population in the east is han chinese. even in geographically close areas along the eastern seaboard there is variation

most ethnic minorities live in west china

anyone will tell you northern chinese look very different from southern chinese for example

>implying they're really just the same race and not just different peoples who have been "hanified"

also yes education does change your IQ

the point is there are margins for how much it can change, you won't be able to get an average of 75 IQ up to 105 with education

Smart people tend to live in the coast because that's where most business take place.

Come on you fucking retard. Mite as well kys for being this dumb.

so your definition of race is cultural????
theres variation even in eastern china

What is mainland China like?

>China
>a single race
They don't even have a single language, what makes you think they're all genetically identical?

depends on where you go, just like literally every other country

isnt even 100 considered high on a global average? considering that most africans are within 70-85 range, and middle easterners about 10 digits higher? what im surprised is that alot of eastern European countries are under 100, atleast according to wiki

>provinces with money have better schools and teacher
Gee, who would've thunk it?

Ummm user, Han Chinese means about the same thing as being a Roman and their language is a Maoist era butchering of dialects into one big mess that makes it harder to trace say, dialects that used regional phonology or vocabulary that hinted at a Non-Han Chinese past. Just because all of Britain or indeed all of England speaks English, it does not mean that the history of Northumbria or realms outside of Angland were erased, their genetic and linguistic presence is still known today. Now multiply that be 1000 times and you have modern China.

TLDR:

Multiple warring states and anarchy periods combined with multiple foreign invasions and "eradication" of barbarians

the dominant ethnic group makes up 91% of the population, thats pretty identical to me.
>countries with better money and teacher
gee who wouldve thunk it

china has like 60 races (or tribes) IIRC

but ~95% is Han

nope

youre saying that a single ethnic group is different races because they speak different languages
>muh white race

There's a ton of self selection here you idiot, smarter people move to areas where they can earn more for their human capital

they're not a single ethnic group

what are you talking about?

What if you're being taught how to score well on an IQ test?

>he thinks Sup Forums believes in the white race meme

like the uneducated migrant workers from inland china?
you will find literally nobody who says that han chinese is a group of different races, go back to reading in the cuckshed buddy

Perhaps because modern countries almost never are racially homogeneous.

cheating on a english test doesn't make you proficient in English

why you have to be so stupid?

>quora.com/Asian-People-How-do-the-faces-of-North-Chinese-compare-with-those-of-South-Chinese

stop role-playing your flag

How is learning the concepts and taking a test on it cheating?

>quora
also look at the fucking map. its not divided along north south lines

Once again you have no understanding of how ethnically diverse China is. Cantons, Hakka, Mongols, Manchus ,etc, etc, fucking etc.

Fpbp

race is only a factor

This is bait but

"China proper," where all the Han people live, is located in the east. Xinjiang and the other shithole provinces are mostly Turkic people and Tibetans. And of course you know this already because Slitty Eye is an HBD blog.

the darker colors are actually more related racially. The lighter areas on the border aren't chinese, they're mongols, tatars, and tibetans/lesser asians

Nobody disputes that race isn't the only factor in IQ.

Nutrition, pre natal care, pollution, water quality, and (to a small degree) education can all affect IQ.

When you're looking at a gap of a grand total of 7 points, it follows logically that a population this huge can be affected by any number of the aforementioned factors in addition to race.

There is a genetic difference in IQ. But don't be an idiot thinking it is the only factor. Nutrition, disease, air quality can all have major effects.

>taking chink IQ ratings seriously

I mean, even Xinjiang is said here to have 100+ average IQ. How the fuck is that even possible

you should obviously cheat ;^)
you too

canton isnt an ethnic group
t. cantonese speaker
most of what you listed are different cultures, not genetically distinct enough to make a difference. there has also been centuries of intermarriage, mitigating racial differences

Any fucking idea how genetically diverse China is?

Imagine if Europeans continued to identify as Roman after the Roman empire fell, that's what happened after the collapse of the Han dynasty.

The Han dynasty was comparable in size and diversity to the Roman empire and thus a very poor indicator of genetics race. Han from one end of the country are much closer related to those around them than they are to Han at the other end of country.

Not totally unbelievable if your population is smart and you have no niggers dragging you down.

Yes, I need to cheat on an IQ test because I'm obviously too retarded to realize that learning the concepts on a test is cheating. Thanks you fucking retarded Swede.

maybe the differences in nutrition, disease ect. are even more significant between continents, significant enough to cause a bigger gap in iq score
literally thousands of years of intermarriage would have negated any minimal genetic differences that existed between the different people

What is the point of making a thread if you are not open to new ideas about what Han Chinese identity even is or how genetic reality cuts through it and how that could possibly related to the history or current reality of China? Fun posting?

those are political entities. thats like saying that venetians and genoese are different races because at one point they were ruled by different governments and spoke different languages

Maybe those thousands of years of intermarriage didn't happen???? Or when it did it resulted in a fantastic array of countryside mullatos that differed from place to place still???? Oh right Berbers and Thracians disappeared entirely under Roman rule my bad.

>literally thousands of years of intermarriage would have negated any minimal genetic differences that existed between the different people

Except people are more likely to marry people closer to than, which actually just accentuates differences over time.

>minimal genetic differences that existed between the different people

[citation needed]

>than

*them

A variation of ~8 points is normal within the same race, even if this map is ignoring many things, like economic development and sub-racial divisions.

Have you been to either place? They are pretty fucking different and if you say that southern Italy is the same you are legit just b8 history matters

China is very large and cheap fast travel only became available recently, people from different ends of the country are very different.

For what it's worth I agree that genetics is a very small factor compared to everything else. My money's on nutrition being the most important, just look at the dramatic increase of average height, imagine the effects on brain development.

It's actually 6 points. It's legitimately nothing. Once China has uniform development, it will be less.

north and south han chinese literally identical
both venice and genoa are in north italy you illiterate fuck

You can't compare a 6 point difference within a 1 billion underdeveloped population with a 20+ different between races.

>implying that developmental and nutritional differences between the west and sub saharan africa arent enough to explain a slightly larger gap in iq

>north and south han chinese literally identical

But are completely different from Tibet and Uygurs which are also part of china.

Most geneticists peg the heritability of IQ in a typical first world environment as being between 0.5 and 0.8. It's mostly genes and the fact that nutrition and education have improved significantly doesn't change the differences we see between different groups now. You should look up how heritability is defined and estimated.

Look its varies from 101 to 108.

R-really makes you think.

IQ is in part determined by genetics. Those you can bracket into the same race shared the same gene pool for the kind of period needed to induce these pretty stark differences between the "races" and also IQ.

you still havent accounted for the iq differences in areas of the country that arent inhabited by tibetans and uygurs

youtube.com/watch?v=RjXQQ_qLYeY
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordos_culture
en.wikipedia.org/wkiki/Ancient_Linzi
en.wikipedia.org/wkiki/Tocharians

Genoa and Venice are ethnically seperate and hence racially seperate mister retard. :^)

I know, right? That's almost as much as the difference between Croats and Serbs. And any Serb will tell you that Croats are just Serbs in denial.

its not a fixed value but there are averages and these say a lot. for instance in america you have many different academic standards across the nation but you have federal minimums for curriculum

there is a known pattern thats been seen aslong as they have been keeping track of standardized test scores. by race and gender with subjects you have a rank and the vast majority of people will follow their rank as far as performance. asians top with whites doing slightly better in some areas and blacks at the bottom with native americans and hispanics just a little above them

however just because you lower the standards doesnt mean the group at the bottom does better. how crazy is that. its not like just a limited data retention rate holding them back people seem to calibrate to their surroundings but almost always seem to end up in the same rank most of the time.

this also happens globally with few exceptions.

>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who still fall for the iq meme

jesus christ

There really isn't. They were split into different waring faction and had a hierarchical society until briefly subjugated as the same under and external force and even now openly distinguish between Han and other groups. The Chinese are quite racist, but i guess you are too ignorant and patronizing to thing that a mere chink could think they are better than another of those slant eyed ones, they all look the same.

If you actually believe the genetical makeup of the Chinese population is the same in the deserts and mountains of the west as in the riverlands and coastlines of the east, then you are heavily mistaken.

The data you're showing is supposed to represent the genetic distribution before 1500 AD. The IQ data you're showing is probably from less than 10 years ago.

I have no idea what happened in terms of demographics and genetic changes in the last 500 in China, so it would be rather stupid to try to use your second graph to explain the IQ variability within the country (which, as many other people pointed out, is not that big to begin with).

>Albanidumbs
Literally worse than T*rks.

im chinese you stupid fuck, differences between chinese is based on language and culture, not race
then explain the differences along the coastal regions alone
and yet you use a similar difference in iq to justify the idea that turks and arabs are inferiors shitskins compared to europeans

Intelligence correlates well with success.

In China those that are successful have moved to cities like Shanghai, Beijing, etc whether for business or for government work (particularly the latter as you have to realize just how massive the governmental apparatus of China is). Millions of such people concentrating in those cities vs the average people in the rest of the nation leads to a differential distribution of high IQs. However, this is of course only one of many possible variables contributing to what you see.

I'm sure you already knew this though and I'm not sure why I bothered responding to your thread.

3 reasons

1) Just because race does play a role in IQ doesn't mean it's the only factor. Socioeconomic variables, etc account for some discrepancy.

2) Selection bias - intelligent Chinese people will move to the east coast.

3) There is some degree of ethnic variation within China

Notice how even the average IQ of the poorest areas in China are well above the average IQ of the richest black countries (if they even exist).

Race is like the y-intercept of an IQ/Socioeconomic status graph. Obviously IQ trends upwards with socioeconomic status but race sets upper and lower boundaries

you also have retarded peasants moving from the countryside to big cities by the millions to work shitty jobs. that more than offsets any changes from a couple educated people moving

I never used outdated genetic information to say anything about arabs or whatever you're saying.

I use IQ differences between racial groups to say that there is a difference in IQ between racial groups

Then enjoy your high IQ. What's wrong?

If China was actually assessing the IQ of the entire population perhaps. I believe it's fairly well established that China derives this IQ information from testing students in the schools and presumably only really tests the better schools. In order to get into the good schools in China you either have to be incredibly smart, incredibly good at cheating (so probably pretty smart), or from one of the wealthy families (who are probably pretty smart).

The peasants probably have as much influence on government statistics as they do on government policy. They're only included if it looks good and is in-line with the party's wishes.

East-West differences rule out north-south differences? Especially the north had a much longer history of intermingling with Koreans, Mongolians, Russians and Japanese as it always ended up directly as part of those spheres or respective empires.

The south meanwhile had a stronger western influence in the past centuries with Hongkong and Macao.

>im chinese

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What
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Race
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Did you know that jews are white and have lived amongst Europeans since before 0AD?
Doesn't stop them from having the kind of in-group favoritism and genetic differences to make them distinct though does it? Even if you say (you) they are all the same "race" (are Japs the same "race" ?) divergence and gene pools still exist. Any "cultural" group that sticks with its own because of cultural/social status preference will diverge.

the whole point is that iq is arbitrary and a bad way of measuring intelligence. if theres a 10% variation of iq within one race, its obviously not a very good way of determining which race is more intelligence.

certain ways of thinking also tend to score higher on iq tests. i dont have a source but i remember reading that soviet scientists were administering iq tests to a group or natives from the arctic circle and the question stated that a certain species of bear was white, and asked the person being tested what color all the other bears were and the person being tested could not comprenend that people would judge what color something was without seeing it first
so even after testing institutions of a similar prestige with students of a similar socioeconomic status and race, they were able to get 10% variation?
>oh boy iq sure seems like a reliable and accurate test of intelligence

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too bad u lost the war
thats the point. race doesnt matter. only culture dues

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>Failure Manchu rape baby detected

China is one race of beta cucks always sucking that foreign dick for civilization and craving that Big Siberian Cock.

You let them cum all in your sister watching as Mongols, Tibetans, Manchus and even Evenks take turns with your mom, fapping furiously, then they take you and use you as slave labor to build a new capital and all the while you bow and kow tow low enough so that you present your hairless Beta Asian chocolate hole to the new Chinese gods "herro you China emperor now?" you say and a look of worry crosses your face that you might not have to slave away 16 hours to make Americans iPhones and shirts, the Siberian laughs, his cum strewn all over the Chinese uterus, "sure kid, I'll continue your pathetic 'civilization'"

Repeat once every hundred years

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I'm not sure you're making the point you think you're making.

Culture fosters intelligence.
Blacks live in hopeless societies with no future, they don't need intelligence.

wow, it makes a difference of 7 points? im #openborderstothe3rdworld now

the large chinese womb absorbed the foreigners and bred their cultures out of existence. the only pathetic reminder of their history was the fact that they attacked a place that was civilized. soon we will do the same thing to your pathetic country. long dong chang and his 16 cousins are on the way the the united states as i speak to breed out white poeple

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lel japanese are truly the niggers of east asia

I know what you mean but No. "race" (genetics) does "matter" (have a potentially radical effect in numbers and over time). Its just ill defined. The banding of the different races doesn't fit the reality of the constituent groups. Some "European" islands have diseases or dysfunctions others don't, Gurkha have one leg shorter than the other, pygmies are short arses. But we are humans and can create solutions if we open our eyes to them before they become a problem. The social/political problem is tribalism. But as the need to implement "multiculturalism" rather than individual egalitarianism shows, that isn't going to go away, its too useful a political device. So even from a cultural perspective what happens when the power and profit of pushing American style consumer culture or being coerced into praying five times a day onto China warps whatever is working to create a higher IQ in China (a fucking third world country that uses recovered fat from shit for cooking none the less!) Do you guys have some secret better than Europe for the last few centuries first world underground city or something?

genetics play a role especially when considering a critical mass of certain traits and will alter the future of human development.

That's only about a half sigma difference.

Qinghai btfo