EXPLAIN YOURSELF, LEAF

Laura Hillier, 18, died after waiting for a bone marrow transplant during a hospital bed shortage in Canada, despite having willing donors available

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

Muh free healthcare

IM GLAD YOURE DEAD BITCH

the marrow was given to more important people who trudope let into the fake country

Canadian healthcare is really fucked, burger. Canada may be one of the leaders in medicine and general healthcare but some of the hoops you have to jump through when dealing with hospitals is fucking ridiculous. I broke my foot last week and I was waiting in the waiting room for 9 fucking hours, and the best part is, there was nobody else in the waiting room for those 9 hours and there wasn't an emergency. And guess what? Waiting for absurd lengths of time for doctors is regular here, even if you're the only one waiting.

surprising.

Public health system: not even once

It's cancer lad. Canadian healthcare is a waiting simulator, the catch is that sometimes you die waiting.

This
Shit is a joke.
Yet it is political suicide to want to reform or cut anything about our current system.
Unless you are ralph klein and just dont give a fuck

>Ontario

This girl died, her parents lost the love of their life, so that poor people who don't work can have free health care

It's coming for us too

No it isn't. We're literally watching the dawn of the Trump Dynasty on TV right now.

The loathsome experiment of social democracy will end this winter, never to rise again.

I pay $700 and wait 5 hours

what's the difference?

Another story of Canadian healthcare being fucked.

Up here in my town there's nobody willing to be a doctor so we imported this one Nignog family from Nigeria to be our doctors. The doctor had the most confusing accent, spoke in broken english and generally didn't know half of the shit we were talking about.

So I went to the doctor after being nauseous, drowsy and lightheaded for six days straight, and of course the waiting room was empty again, but I had to wait for eleven fucking hours barfing all over the waiting room floor, just to be taken into a room for 2 minutes by doctor nignog just to be told "I dun know wuts wrong with yew but i advise drankin hot water" and sent back home

How many more people die in America because they cant afford insurance or going to the doctor? This is not reported on because you can't tell who died on the gutter from not being able to get healthcare because poorfag while cases like these are easy bait. It's like the "death panels" affair.

I hope to fuck you are right. My kids are my life, but I'm sitting here in middle class, losing an extra $2,000 a year from my paycheck for worse coverage thanks to Obamacare

It'll cost me $6000 but at least I can be treated promptly for projectile vomit. I'm sorry leafbro.

>Another story of Canadian healthcare being fucked.

My mother was dying of liver failure from cancer and she was stuck in the hallway for 5 hours.

>How many more people die in America because they cant afford insurance or going to the doctor? This is not reported on because you can't tell who died on the gutter from not being able to get healthcare because poorfag while cases like these are easy bait. It's like the "death panels" affair.

We created an unemployed criminal underclass (black AND white) by paying low-income women to have children out of wedlock. THESE people are the reason we can't afford healthcare.

If their families were intact, and we hadn't outsourced all of the lower class jobs, your concern would be a non-issue, because there would be less lower class kids, and decent $40k labor/manufacturing jobs for their married fathers to work

My father who was kept in a hospital with dementia and shouldn't even be allowed to walk around on his own died after walking around on his own unaccompanied by nurses (who were in the staff room playing Go Fish), had a stroke, fell down, hit his head and slowly died in the hall way. They didn't even find him until 4 hours later and by that point most of his brain was dead and he was a vegetable. He could have been saved if the nurses weren't lazy shits and monitored him more.

Gotta spend $5 billion placating our dindu feathers instead?

Healthcare in Canada is fine, if you get it.

Like this user said, wait times were horrendous. In Quebec it isn't uncommon for people to wait upwards of 20 hours in the emergency room.

If you aren't bleeding out or suffering a heart attack there is just no urgency in seeing you.

Broken bone? 3-12 hour wait, depending on how busy it is and how serious the break is (ie: if it caused bleeding because bone penetrated the skin, it will be faster).

Tests at hospitals have waiting lists of up to 12 months.

Quebec, until recently, had a commissioner whose job it was to evaluate our Medicare and Health services. His position was eliminated recently, but on his way out he released a report that placed Quebec as the 'worst healthcare provider in the first world'.

We are transitioning to a US-type system where everything is private, and it is shit because now employers pay for insurance plans, employees lose wages, and everybody is paying taxes into Medicare and Health services.

If the Federal government wrestled control of the hospitals from the provinces the situation would probably improve desu. The provinces squander money, refuse to meet deadlines or minimum standards, have horribly corrupt bidding systems, etc.

Shits similar in Norway, free healthcare fucking sucks, i always go through my work insurance, i can go to a private doctor and have my problem solved within a day, if i use my regular doctor i gotta wait weeks for an appointment and regular doctors dont give two shits about you or your problem, private docs get the work done fast and efficiently.

If you kill the marrow cancer, the cancer wins

>IM GLAD YOURE DEAD BITCH
Why are you glad she is death, imbecile? Are you obamacare apologiser or something?

Do you have a kind of two tier system in Norway?

One thing I would change about american healthcare is insurance companies not covering visits to specialists at all without GP recommendation.

>I worked as a porter in a canadian hospital
>I'm well loved b/c I work hard and trade banter with nurses, doctors, support staff, etc
>I love my job
>have an accident
>think my arm might be broken
>3 hours from entrance to exit in ER WHILE I WAS ON SHIFT

it's pretty bad, desu

Come on man, you don't need to be edgy all the time.

None, because hospitals are required to treat you anyway. The lost $$ is picked up by the hospital's insurance, which itself makes up the difference by charging ridiculous rates on patients who DO have insurance.
It's a very well greased machine meant to extract extra $$ out of every stage of the process.
Oh, and most doctors have agreements with various insurance companies promising that they'll charge extra to see anyone not with their company.

This would be a good reform, I'd support this

But we also need medical liability reform, a lot of GP send patients to specialists unnecessarily because they're terrified if they miss the smallest thing they will be sued to kingdom come.

when it comes to healthcare our government has seized the memes of production. no one in the logistical level has any incentive anymore.

socialism= mediocre at best, catastrophic at worst

I feel bad for taking such a negative stance in OP.
I respect the fuck out of your honest assessments. I truly hope for better things for you.

Same in Australian hospitals. I remember I spent literally the entirely of Melbourne Cup Day about 10 years ago waiting to get an X-ray for a broken foot and a moon boot. Must've been there a solid 12 hours.

But even in my shithole of a country if you have a nice health care plan or whatever it's called in english you pretty much have zero wait time, and accesss to bretty good doctors and equipments and hospitals.
And it's only really expensive if you are old, but even then it's very worth it since almost anything but those mega expensive rare as fuck diseases is covered and the plan pretty much pays for 95% of the costs

Here in burger land for a non life threatening injury like a broken bone or severed finger the longest I have seen anyone wait is 30 minutes. Thats peak time with lots of half dying niggers getting wheeled in from gunshots wounds.

I was lacerated at my job (not too badly, 7 inches on my outer forearm) once and took a trip in an ambulance, I gave a fake name, number and address (used grade school chum, Dominos and neighbour down the street address) and haven't been contacted for payment in about 18 months

Am I home free or will they get me? I didn't have my ID at the time

What the fuck, why is your HC system so fucked up? 5-6 years ago all my canuck friends bragged about their free healthcare and dental care. Is this the reality of it?

And why do the staff all not give a fuck? Govt underpays everyone?

congrats on the felony, fucktard. You could have just not paid the damn bill and nothing would have happened but a credit rating hit.

Canadians brag because their healthcare is free and their closest neighbor's healthcare isn't. That's literally the only catch. In return, Canadians have to wait excruciatingly long for medical attention and staff tends to be very unprofessional.

All of these memes about Canada being one of the leaders of healthcare only comes from Canada being a leader in technology and pharmaceuticals

Like any big complicated social system, it has it's ups and downs. And people are always more eager to tell you about the shitty experiences as opposed to the good ones. It isn't likely to get better soon though, not with the boomers starting to flood the system.

Holy shit Leafistan confirmed Venezuela tier now

Hong Canada fits more than Leafistan lad. We haven't been hit by rapefugees yet, just soulless chinks.

I panicked, sue me. How will they find me though?

I had to get a ride from a factory to a gas station because we didn't want an ambiance on the compound, so they have only an approximate location of where I work

Fucking shit why do I do stupid things

>we're better than america! we have free healthcare!
>people literally DIE because they're waiting for healthcare

How many people have died in the US because they couldn't afford healthcare?

Dude at work told me he once got a tiny metal splinter IN HIS FUCKING EYE and he waited like 8 hours I think he said. Granted this was an army post hospital which is basically socialized healthcare lite, but still.

None because its illegal to deny people care because they don't have insurance

Leaf here, I can confirm our healthcare is shit

True story: My aunt had cancer and our whole family chipped in to get her treatment in the US because there was a 1 year waiting list for treatment for her kind of cancer

America: Healthcare for the rich
Canada: Healthcare for the lucky

You fuckers lied to us. Now our system is fucked.

Doesn't mean they actually go to doctor.

That only works for emergency medical care

Yes they can, and if you're dying you really ought not going to a doctor and going to the fucking hospital

Are funerals free in Canada too?

>I panicked, sue me.

They just might lol

>How will they find me though?

Cross referencing video footage with what you wrote down would be easy. They probably won't do it though. No point, cause you don't have money. Treating niggers who will never pay is just the cost of doing business in American hospitals.

>how many people die because they can't afford health care
If you're dying you aren't going to a doctor you're having a medical emergency and you're going to the hospital

>I'm dying
>but its not an emergency
pls don't say this

No, but you have to pay death taxes to fund syrian refugee welfare

She didn't die because she needed a bone marrow transplant to keep her alive, she died of leukemia after a remission that came back hard and fast and entered her blood.

A bone marrow transplant would not have saved her life.

Cancer m8. And other chronic diseases with expensive medicine

Why pay for free things though, family?

>paying ER bills
top cuck

You'd still be getting your medical attention regardless of your ability to pay

Hospitals are not required to give you chemo if they don't think you can pay. They're required to keep your vitals from going out as long as they can, and that's about it.

In america, health care is for anybody. If you cannot afford it, file for bankruptcy or give a false name.

Public Health reasoning is always Utilitarianism. Public Health is literally The Greater Good.

low quality bait but I'm still replying for some reason.

Medical debt shits your credit rating, as it should. So you pay for insurance (or you know, have a real job with a medical plan) if you ever want to live in a house or own a car that's not 10 years old

They can't refuse you medical attention. So yes if part of your medical attention is chemo you'll get it.

"Hi my name is uhhh ... David Smith, can I get some chemo?"

does that actually work

>They can't refuse you medical attention.

Yes, they can. They will literally just triage you forever if you insist on trying to get non-emergency care which you can't pay for.

Never had a problem with canadian healthcare, never waited longer than 4 hours in an ER (moms been quite a few times). In fact I can call my doctor tomorrow morning and get a same day appointment or just go to a walk in clinic. The problems you see with Canadian healthcare here is that they live in the middle of nowhere / arent proactive. Canadian healthcare 8/10 would get sick again.

>people literally DIE because they're waiting for healthcare

They die while waiting not because they are waiting. It's like saying people die because they go to hospital, they die while at a hospital.

Laura Hillier had no chance no matter what treatment she got or how fast she got it. By the time she was diagnosed and prescribed her surgery to get the stem cell transplant her cancer had already spread and was uncontrollable and of all the things stem cells do curing wide spread cancer is not one of them.

Shhh the Canadians from gas station towns are sad they don't get multi billion dollar hospitals.

I don't have medical debt though lol

And from my experience, insurance doesn't want to come through for you anyways. My gfs mom died and she got saddled with impossible amounts of debt because they can't stick it on anyone else, my brother can't get the VA to cover anything of his, I don't even know what my job gives me but I guarantee they won't cover me anyways, if I can keep getting away with it I'll gank the system every time

Just call me Rusty

9 times out of 10 people that bitch about poor care live hours from major population centers and think that their local GP should have a half billion in high tech diagnostic gear stashed away.

If you live in a major population center like 80% of the population you can get prompt care provided you avoid the ghetto clinics or showing up in the ER for non emergency care.

Yea it's pretty bad. My grandmother had spinal surgery, and ended up getting C. difficile while at the hospital and almost dying.

My mom came to the hospital and found that the nurses never checked up on her and left her laying in her own waste for more than a day.

So my mom and her three sisters would come in to do the work of the nurses as they were so incompetent, who spent there time gossiping around the nurses station. So my mom and her sisters then took turns yelling at them for never checking on her.

Eventually the doctor in charge came told the nurses they're all idiots and got my grandma some proper care and a room with a nurse watching over the patients all the time.

So if you go to the hospital here it helps to have some crazy irish women.

It's ok. They're just leaves blowing in the wind.

Simple, she was White. ching chong, niggers and other shitskins have priority.

VA in kinda BS in Canada too. But they take it to the other end of retarded.

I know a double amputee and they force him under threat of revoking any assistance to be reassessed every year. He's taken to commenting that his legs didn't grow back this year either.

Some random refugee took her bed

>paying low-income women to have children out of wedlock.

The Nordics can afford healthcare and still pay for out-of-wedlock kids.

Also I'll note that healthcare was even shittier in the US back when forcing people into traditional marriage was socially acceptable. Some of that's tech, but not all.

i know that fell brow

Fucking boomers, paying into it all their lives, then the gaul to get old and ready to use what they paid for, fucking hell, there are ching chongs, niggers, and other various shitskins that should get that care, after all, privilege.

Dude, your workplace should have covered everything if it happened on the clock.

Public Health Services only work for life or death emergency. Everything else is treated like low priority, and unless you want to wait a full year to have an appointment with a doctor, you're better off not bothering at all. I mean shit, it's been almost ten years since I last saw a doctor.

>country with lots of resources and a tiny pop.
>USA

Can someone explain why we can't just tell drug companies to go Fuck themselves and nationalise low cost, effective medicine?

She was weak anyways though, she wasn't fit enough to die at a normal age. Regardless, if she was in America and couldn't afford medical premiums, deductibles or whatever else is on top of insurance, you wouldn't get a better outcome. American hospitals only help if you have money, at least Canadian hospitals tried to help even if it was futile. Stfu insurance shill

Yeah we should have voted for a libertarian health system.

But seriously, a non-public health care system would ruin Canada's already small population.

Because the drug companies just bribe politicians.

Dood you just made me think.

I'm going to sign up to be a donor.
I wanna fuckin help someone

>using the public system

That's just a safety net for bogans. Go private. That's why we have the best system. Public's there if you need it, but private is there for deluxe ultimate edition gold subscribers.

Someone with more money needed a vagina transplant so they harvested her tight 18 year old pussy.

If her parent had the money they could have just gone to the states and had it done. If we didn't have free healthcare she would have died anyway or bankrupt her parents. And don't forget, they had the option to go bankrupt and didn't take it. Do you have any reasonable argument against this?

I have never had to wait more than an 1 hour, do you live in a big city?

Fucking retarded socialists always saying our """"""""""""free"""""""""""" healthcare is good
My mate's son (7 years old) broke his leg. Kid waited 4 days in pain at home before finally getting a bed in sick kids hospital.
>mfw my taxes go to this shite system

Cancer, took 3 months to diagnose.
In chemo and radiation within a week.
Surgery performed within 5 months.
Medicare isn't all doom and gloom mate.

Govt actually pays very well. Nurses get like 80k a year or more pretty quickly. Nurse practitioner gets 6 figures. There's just no repercussions if you behave unprofessionally, depending on the hospital.

I'm between Hamilton and Toronto, Ontario's two health care hubs. Honestly it's a matter of trial and error, figuring out which hospitals run effectively and which are murderholes. Hopefully you end up going in for something not life-threatening and can learn from your mistake if you choose poorly.

Patents & other legal bullshit.
It currently costs upwards of millions to create a new drug, not because of R&D or testing, but because of all the legal mess you have to go trough.

Forgot to turn your proxy off m8

>Can someone explain why we can't just tell drug companies to go Fuck themselves and nationalise low cost, effective medicine?
Because patent laws are such that almost all medicine can be bought from generic producers at near cost. The only expensive stuff is new.

The real issue is getting a large enough buying block together to demand the low prices or have enough demand to justify the generic producers setting up shop; they need long term stead contracts because they run low margin operations.

And before some cuck from the US claims that US pharmaceutical companies pay so much for R&D, go look at their financial reports the top 7 companies all spend more on advertising than R&D.