And what it is today
I have to hold back tears whenever I watch this, I wonder how many people aged 20 + even have any semblance of empathy for white Christian culture anymore, how many spit in its face, even though it offered them everything they have, I feel sad and angry..
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here is Europe from 116 years ago
>Romania
Also
>German Reich
>Christian culture
Lol, we gave about as much of a shit about religion in 1871 as we do today.
you can deny all you want but it was a much better time than now, look outside your own window, is that the Europe you wanted?
No, but stop having delusions. We started the first World War because we hated the rest of Europe, and the rest of Europe hated us in turn. Christianity in Germany had been in decline ever since the dissolution of the HRE or, really, since Protestantism, and Prussia was Protestant as fuck. The "white Christian culture", as you call it, didn't exist.
when and where did White Christian Culture exist then in your opinion?
Middle ages to roughly the fall of Byzantium and one or two or maybe even three centuries thereafter.
The German Empire was established way into the period of modernity, Christianity had no real effect on politics etc. anymore.
that may be so, but it had a monument of effect on family structure did it not?
>We started the first World War because we hated the rest of Europe, and the rest of Europe hated us in turn
go read up on actual historical developments between 1870 and 1914
protip: the cucked guilt trip they teach in our schools is not an accurate representation of history
>We started the first World War
It was never easier to spot a Hauptschüler after that statement.
so my suspicions are correct, my interlocutor here is brainwashed by the communist liberal agenda
No one guilt trips Germans for World War I. Wilhelm II fucked up pretty much everything he could. Of course the Brits had an interest in stomping us, but our Kaiser's diplomatic failings made it all the more easy for the rest of Europe to unite against us, and it was Von Hötzendorf who desperately wanted to expand his oh-so precious Austro-Hungarian Empire, which shortly after the war fell.
Not in Berlin, and literally no one cared about the rural population back then, just like today.
>Hauptschüler
indeed, a highschooler acording to google translate, so the epitome of brainwashed
I think you are wrong, by rural population today do you understand you are talking about people engaged in agriculture and livestock/farming etc? I think they do care about them, whoever "they" are the people/etc
it's literally what german kids learn in school
>evil germans just really hated those poor russians and frenchmen very much, so they went to war to kill them all!
>luckily the brave americans came to their aid and saved the day!
>then 30 years later the vile germans had become even more despicable and evil, and declare war on the entire world again, this time with the goal of murdering every non german human on earth!
>but this time the glorious forces of socialism, led by the valiant USSR, manage to defeat the abhorrent fascist satan that is germany once and for all!
>repeat after me kids: I AM SORRY! NEVER AGAIN!
Stop spreading lies and respond to my post, you retard.
No, no one cared beyond keeping them quiet and being able to draft them to war.
Get IN HERE
>Germany started WW1
>not Austrio Hungary, Russia and Serbia
>not a handful of artiocratic elites being retarded
>we hated the rest of Europe
so this is the power of cuckoldry
not bad
Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to treat these nu-Germans with utter contempt
The elites were Germany. Austro-Hungary was our ally, and no one forced us to treat them as such. We could've just told them to fuck off, but we were desperate to get a punch in on Russia because their military was growing ever stronger. And propaganda and Wilhelm II's diplomacy made Europe in fact hate us. We betrayed Russia (who were our ally prior to the war), we pissed off Britain multiple times with our overt hostility and France had always been our enemy.
Seems to me that Europe is far away from what it should have been at this time.
>you will never see the height of European civilization
Why even live Sup Forums?
We will never amount to what our forefathers accomplished.
>Malmö (1956 / 1958)
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>Svenska flaggans dag 1953 - Stockholms stadion
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>Life In The Third Reich
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You do realise that France and Russia had a hostile alliance against Germany, right? That they were both mobilising for war before Germany attacked? Which was the reason for the attack.
Good lord Germans are cucked. The nation truly did die along with Hitler.
All those white faces! Disgusting!
No he is right. For generations german historians repeated the Lie of a sole german responsibility for WW I.
And they were so brainwashed and cucked that they even refused new evidence and research when foreign !!!!!! historians showed them otherwise.
This mindset can still be found in german schools and in rare exceptions also in the scientific community.
But everywhere else it is common that WW I was " The War that had many Fathers ".
Yes, I do know that. Though you fail to mention that Germany also mobilised, as did everyone in Europe; probably you failed in that due to an ideological taint. How you people never cease to ignore that it was still us and our allies that tipped off the war is beyond me. Germany had been extremely hostile prior to the the war, I don't how the speech about the Huns (Hunnenrede) is called in English; but that speech perfectly sums up hostile German foreign policy. What you are doing is "Germany a good boy dindu nuffin", but this is historically inaccurate. And note that I do not feel guilty about the war, nor about the second World War (though I am very ashamed of it), and that I loathe the Bundesrepublik.
>"Oh look! Some lone wolf shot a noble in an allied nation. Yeah, this alone justifies attacking europe. It has nothing to do with any imperial ambitions of our part."
Oh pls. You fool nobody bosch.
>excuses
This is simply not true. I have never heard anyone putting the sole blame for World War I on Germany, let alone the German people.
>I have never heard anyone putting the sole blame for World War I on Germany, let alone the German people.
sure, except for yourself, right in this thread?
>We started the first World War because we hated the rest of Europe
the cuckoldry is strong with this one
> I do not feel guilty about the second World War
>(though I am very ashamed of it)
Is this the famous doublethink that I hear so much about?
Reconsider your life and your sanity
That was not a statement with regards to historical accuracy (which you, though it was very obviously of such kind, conveniently ignored to spout ideological nonsense). It was meant to show the OP that the different nations in Europe were at time heavily opposed to each other though they were all white and Christian. And we DID start the first World War; this is undisputable. What is really telling is that you have not properly responded to any of my posts thereafter in which I actually claimed historical accuracy. Pathetic and petty is what you are.
Are you autistic or why do you not know the difference between shame and guilt? I'm proud of the Wehrmacht's achievements in that war; I'm ashamed of the Nazis killing German citizens merely because they were of Jewish religion. And that is what happened. They killed German citizens.
>I have to hold back tears whenever I watch this
I just let em run, friendo.
*tips antifa*
Most of the people you saw were piss-poor, would often die in the case of a minor sickness, lacked even basic education.
Yes, cultural and spiritual life may have been more vivid, but everything comes at its price.
Also, there has never been a "Christian European culture", but multiple religious traditions that waged bloody wars against each other.
Why would you assume that I support left-wing ideologues merely because I oppose those of the right-wing?
and here is Berlin from 71 years ago:
Why would you be ashamed about something you did not do?
;_; you had it all
and you blew it
slavs rule your streets and your women now
kek everybody has some kind of hat
even kids
Europe in general was on the breaking point, war would have happened sooner or later no matter what, it wasn't the "fault" of anyone in specific. Everyone was at fault.
Watch this documentary on WWI for the best summary
And that's exactly the same they could've said about the people came 100 years before them. Don't compare health system, average life expectancy and income, ofc nowadays technology and economy gonna beat the early 20th century. Although have to admit OP's being a little bit biased and sentimental but nevertheless, if you were to tell how Europe looked in 2016 based on this video, you'd be disappointed seeing the reality.
Because I can be ashamed of something my country did while at the same time not being usurped by guilt. Guilt is a term that implies a fault on your behalf; shame does not do that in the same sense of the word. As I can feel proud of something my ancestors did, so I can feel ashamed of something my ancestors did; this does, however, not imply any guilt on my part.
>26 episodes
>average length 40 mins
>mfw
It's the best series on WWI
>slavs rule your streets and your women now
Honestly if it would be the Slavs if wouldnt be bad.
Describe exactly what you are ashamed of and why it impacts you personally
Why do you yourself feel it for something someone else had did?
Considering I know jack-shit about WWI this seems a good deal.
>inb4 grab a book you illiterate
Honestly what excactly are you asamhed of and in what kind dies it effect you at all ?
This is the typical german mindset makes others laugh about us.
We always have to be the best eveb if its for being the " best " in being ashamed of something that is mostly not one sided at all and not our responsibility.
>they killed German citizens
Oh yes, those Social Democrats who stole Wilhelm II's right to do speeches, stole workers from the labor unions into their cult to march on their behalf and belittle Germans.
All those Kike newspapers that slandered the king and the German government in Austria and Vienna.
Yes, feel bad and guilty because your country was literally being cucked by foreigners who cared only for themselves and not for Germany and its people.
Hitler was the best thing to happen to Germany, no Austrian wanted to be 'Austrian', that's why they sand Deutschland Uber Alles instead of the Austrian national anthem, despite it being punishable.
Fucking Germans.
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles published in the Marxist press. However, as my aversion increased
tenfold, I set about learning something of the people who wrote and published
this mischievous stuff—from the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews!
I got hold of as many Social Democratic pamphlets as I could and looked
up the names of the authors—Jews all!
I noted the names of nearly all their leaders and most of them belonged to
the chosen race, whether they were members of the Reichsrat (Imperial
Council), trade-union secretaries, chairmen of various organisations or street
agitators.
Everywhere the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never
forget the list of names—Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellenbogen, and others"
Why do I feel proud that we beat the French in 1870, and then proclaimed our empire within their very own borders? Because it's something my ancestors did, who bear impact on me and my way of thinking and living. And if I have the right to feel proud of something my ancestors did, so do I have the right of feeling ashamed. Why do you feel ashamed when your best friend talks bollocks? Because you can feel ashamed for other people; and my ancestors are especially close to me, so I am in a way obliged to judge them.
Again, you seem to confuse shame with guilt.
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Imagine for one second you don't have to feel proud about anyone else's accomplishments
Now describe to me exactly how this shame feels and what you're thinking when you're feeling it
Who are you to judge? You have never set a foot into any German school.
>Why do you feel ashamed when your best friend talks bollocks?
I dont. Its his stupidity and not mine and if his wants to make an Ass out of himself so be it.
But my friends are grown man and not children.
And the judgement of " your " ancestors can lead very fast to an arrogant outlook because you never have the full insight of their thoughts, intentions and espiecally the historical circumstances.
Just imagine a time traveller from the future blames you for not taking action against Merkel and teh refugee invasion because in the Future Germany is an Islamic state.
How doy ou justify your Actions/ Non activity ?
imblying that shit ever happened.
ooh, tell us about the minecart rollercoaster that dumped them into the oven schlomo.
grab a book you illiterate.
Dan Carlins podcast 'Blue Prints of Armageddon' is fun too.
or even 'The Great War' you tube channel for the more intellectually lazy among us.
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Sorry, I cannot imagine not feeling connected to my ancestors and not being obliged to evaluate what they did.
I am merely ashamed, historically speaking, that we genocided citizens of our very own state because of their religiosity; how's that hard to grasp? I do not feel guilty, nor do I feel as though I have to repent for my sense; it is merely a sense of historical shame which I personally harbour.
I'm a member of the AfD.
>sense
*sins
So am I.
And if any future foreign historians would look on the huge amount of public articles and statements about the AfD who would come to teh concluison that we both were/are members of a racist and backwards party.
>I am merely ashamed, historically speaking, that we genocided citizens of our very own state because of their religiosity; how's that hard to grasp?
Why are you using the word "we"? Whom have you killed?
they not who
Why are you so fucking ignorant?
>Genocided citizens of our very own state because of their religiosity
really?
Have you perhaps read the book of the guy set this shit up? you know.. Adolf Hitler?
he literally said, in his first mention of Jews, he had NOTHING against the religion, he only became infuriated after seeing how they were betraying the German people themselves and writing slander in their news papers.
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Oh look it's another thread where German apologists try to white wash their guilt for destroying Western civilization twice.
Then he'd not judge us, but our party. As do I judge the German people at large. My great grandfather was a Nazi, but I do not feel ashamed for him, nor do I judge any individual based on what happened (besides those who were in charge and held responsibility, and not even those do I really judge). I judge what happened, then I take my personal stance toward it, which is me feeling ashamed of it. That is all I did. I do not wish for this judgement to impact current politics beyond "Maybe we shouldn't genocide our own citizens."
Anglo individualism has poisoned your brain. I feel a very deep sense of belonging to the German people which is not based on any rationale. If you do not feel this for your people, then I feel sorry for you.
Fuck off Aussie.
I am not my people. And my people are not I
I have enough of my own sins to worry about
NZ.
>I feel a very deep sense of belonging to the German people which is not based on any rationale.
no you don't, you're lying here blatantly.
You openly support a group that subverted your own people intentionally.
Okay.
I got all you need to know right here bic boy.
I had a 10 hour layover in the Frankfurt airport recently and I was stunned by the extremely high percentage of muzzies I saw
What would you do if I were to tell you that I have a bit of Jewish ancestry?
You contradict yourslef in every second Post.
Of course they would judge us, because they would insinuate that we joined the party despite a better judgement and the knowledge of their intentions.
I give and other a little - lets say extreme - mindgame.
Imagine you would develop an artificial virus who would only kill Muslims. You release it in Germany because simply looking a the facts like birth rates and the immigration numbers you know ! that tehy will outbreed us. its not a question of If but When.
How would the judgement of future Generations about you would look like ?
The savior of Germany and Europe ?
Or the Evil in Person, more demonic than human.
Because i tell you what i see when i go outside and see that Muslim woman with three children on every hand.
Not Humans but a weapon that creates new Soldiers for an idology that wants to destroy us.
Am i a Monster because i wnat to prevent this Future ?!
it's more like a reality check, it's sad and fury inducing
>he thinks they were christians
damn...
And yes of course depending on whom would win that future conflict the Look on your actions would be totally different.
It may sound licke a Cliche but it isnt: History is written by the Winners.
i would like to think they were, all i see are things made possible via Christian values
wow rlly makes u suicidal huh?
>You contradict yourself in every second post
You don't have the capacity to handle more than two concepts simultaneously. I don't care about your resentments towards Muslims; drag them elsewhere. This is not what we were talking about.
And I will explain to you again, at the risk of you still not understanding: I can personally judge something and harbour feelings towards it without wishing for my judgement to impact politics. I feel ashamed of what the Nazis did in WWII - that is my personal judgement, and I never claimed it to be anything else. That's what you people accused me of doing, but I did not do that.
It explains a lot of your stupidity or willful ignorance on the subject.
Why would you want to believe that the publishers of Germany's largest newspapers, banks, council offices were all Jewish and neither cared for and openly disliked German people (Notably the Austrian Jews and Jews in Vienna).
>We started the first World War because we hated the rest of Europe
You must be one of those historian types. You sound very bright and well informed.
Your guilt/shame dichotomy is doublethink
And as you've already admitted is based only in irrationality
Gott mit uns?
But it's BBC so probably full of propaganda and lies.
Christianity destroyed much of European culture.
I wish to have shared this past desu.
You are an intellectual peanut, which shows in your latching onto words you do not understand.
Dont act high mighty because someone pointed out the Flaws in your arguments.
You can comment on the past actions, you can describe them, you can show different aspects of it to others but your " judgement " of the people involved in them will always be flawed because you simply lack the overall background knowledge that lead to these actions and maybe even justified them.
And again if you feel personally ashamed for the actions on the Nazis you are more a medical case than everything else.
Dan Carlin is a faggot sometimes but his historie series is great. Blue Prints of Armageddon was espesially enjoyable. Also, the book "A World Undone" is great.
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No. It is old and outdated.
I prefer the 5 part documentary "Apocalypse: The Second World War"
You're overcomplicating basic terms for nothing.
Seek help: en.wikipedia.org
Sure, my judgement will never be 100% accurate (I never claimed that btw), but if we use perfect accuracy as measurement for when it is okay to judge, no one will ever be allowed to.
