Star Wars - Kylo & Rey

Can someone explain to me how Rey defeats Kylo Ren in episode VII without any force and lightsaber training?

Is she some jedi's child or? I thought Kylo was a Skywalker?

I don't understand.

with the power of feminism

Force bond. It happened when she got into his head in the interrogation scene.

>how Rey defeats Kylo Ren in episode VII without any force and lightsaber training?

Lazy writing

Also being the child of a Jedi or a Skywalker is irrelevant. Kylo should've won no matter what because he's been training for well over a decade, and also displays a creative mastery of the force throughout the film, using it in new and interesting ways. Rey beating him was because JJ and Kasdan wanted a duel at the end of this movie but also didn't want it to be a "downer" duel like in Empire because that would break the formula of the first movie in the trilogy being the happy one.

I have been told here:
>he didnt want to kill her, he wanted her to join him
>he was mentally devastated by his father's death
>he was physically hurt by chewie's crossbow
>rey had staff fighting skills, whatever that counts for
>rey is strong with the force

overall bad writing, it is justified, its not completely devoid of reason and didn't just "happen" but it is still bad writing

i didn't watch the movie or nothin but was her getting the lightsaber the first time she did something with the force?
bc then you can say, oh, she must have some midochorines in her, we're going to explore this later but just roll with this for now

it doesn't explain how she outduels him but didn't she swing a stick around fucking around the desert?

He fell in love with Rey.

kylo had a pretty bad injury

she only started winning when she gave into "hate" and started being aggressive

she is destined to be an OP space wizard

kylo was injured, he was also holding back because he didn't want to really hurt rey he just wanted her to be his gf

What I don't get is, he kills other people like it was nothing, including Finn (defeats but w/e), but somehow is not able to defeat Rey?

Main point is that he wasn't even trying to kill her, but to take her as an apprentice because he was aware of her great potential. I mean it's obvious even by just looking at your pic.
Then Rey caught him by surprise and went raging.

He could've easily killed her numerous times before if he wanted to.

>He could've easily killed her numerous times before if he wanted to.
Suuuuure.....

But why did he let her slice his face open?

Was that also part of the plan?

BECAUSE HE WASN'T TRYING TO DEFEAT OR KILL HER, he wanted to show her the Dark Side

Also Rey obviously found out that she has Force capabilities so you can't compare her to everyone else.
Yes it's lazy ass writing but it's justified.

>lives on inhospitable planet scraping by as a scavenger
>learns hand to hand combat with her staff as a means of survival
>has to climb and be physically strong to acquire salvage and haul back for monies

Yeah, she's probably a lot stronger and tougher than a /r9k/ with daddy issues.

>BECAUSE HE WASN'T TRYING TO DEFEAT OR KILL HER, he wanted to show her the Dark Side
How do you know that?

oh god not this thread again

He literally says it to her you absolute dumbfuck, when he corners her in full control he says something along the lines of "I can teach you, I can show you the ways of the Force" or something like that, find the clip on youtube.

What does that have to do with him almost being killed by Rey?

Rey is stronger with the force than Kylo.

Force>lightsaber

>without any force and lightsaber training

What makes you think she hasn't been trained?

Not him, but they didn't show any clues in the film, before she attended bondage session with head knigh of autism.

It's pretty much canon at this point that Rey is a much more powerful force user that Kylo.

Because he didn’t expect for her to fight back hard all of a sudden, and he was already emotionally and physically wounded from murdering his father, getting shot with a bowcaster and getting hit with a lightsaber.

Also what if maybe even Kylo didn’t have proper lightsaber training?
Maybe Luke didn’t even get to the lightsabers in his training, then Kylo found out about the dark side, made his own lightsaber and burned the whole Academy down with his boys.

Again, yes it's lazy writing that she managed to get the force meme boost with that vision, but you constantly imply like Kylo is the most powerful experienced fighter in the galaxy when in reality he probably didn’t have a lightsaber fight in a decade (or maybe ever)

Kylo Ren was holding back dumbass and was weakened.

You would hear a lot of shitty excuses but the real reason was because Lucasfilm wanted a stronk girl character, for a majority of the fight Kylo was shown to have the upper hand despite his wound and his "inner conflict" it's not until Rey closes her eyes then suddenly learns how to fight better. It's was just a lazy asspull for her to win. As Han Solo said, that's not how the force works.

Bowcaster makes stormtroopers fly 20-feet above the ground and Kylo was still able to fight after being shot with one. That's impressive.
It's not impressive to beat a sevetly wounded opponent.

>Because he didn’t expect for her to fight back hard all of a sudden, and he was already emotionally and physically wounded from murdering his father, getting shot with a bowcaster and getting hit with a lightsaber.
What a fucking wuss. Fucking Padme was a mistake.

Also, he's a poser and Rey literally have spent her entire life fighting Fremen over Spice.

Clues:
>Knows how to use the force
>Knows how to do Jedi mindtrick
>Knows how to resist force mindread
>Knows how to use a lightsaber
>Origin is a mystery

this lead people to the mary sue thing not realising that it is all part of hinting at her origin for the next film.

Kylo is a mediocre force user. He don't have the same potential as Anakin and Luke.

I guess you're right. Was she trained by Luke though? Looks like she have enormous potential.

The new movie is either going rectify the Sue factored or double down. Male or female having the main character be this good this early on is bad. Both Anakin and Luke sucked could best their rivials till the third movie.

The only way to fix this is to break the formula and explain what makes Rey different other than her vag.

But Luke was a mediocre force user as well.

>mediocre force user
>uses the Force to aim the proton torpedo to blow up reactor
top wew

My theory is that the jedi order and Palpatine was wrong about Anakin. It's actually Rey that is the chosen one and she becomes the first grey jedi.

Isn't Luke on of the most powerful jedi's in the whole universe?

She's the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker come to finish what we started and bring balance to The Force by killing all of the force sensitives.

>can force choke, freeze, pull, and mind read effortlessly and took down the entire jedi order.
I can buy the idea that he may not be as strong as Vader or Luke post OT but to call him medicore? He's objectively better than where Luke was at VI.

They should've had Luke come in and save the day and then take Rey off for some training, after having a sad hug with Leia & Chewie about Han.

>He's objectively better than where Luke was at VI.
After years of training and a galaxy at peace. Luke spent a few weeks with Yoda in a swamp while hiding from the Empire.

>He's objectively better than where Luke was at VI
Holy shit, imagine how powerful Rey must be when she get some practice.

That actually could be what they wanted too do (not likely because stronk women thing) were it not for the fact that it would render the map maguffin useless.

didnt you see the part where the closer they are, the more destruction ensues?

did you not get Hancock(2008) vibes?

Kenobis and Skywalkers tend to fuck shit up together.

I think it's canon that Rey is superior to Kylo. She is definitly stronger with the force.

>took down the entire jedi order

There were no jedis except luke, all the padawans maybe didn’t even get to hold a lightsaber yet.
And he didn’t do it single handedly, he has done it with his knights of ren.

Oh I hope they go that route. That would also explain how Rey got so strong after Kylo invaided her mind.

Kylo got shot in the stomach by a gun that was blowing lesser dudes away throughout the film

He also just murdered his dad in cold blood, which was having an effect on his psyche

The more impressive feat is that he was able to fight at all

He keeps swinging his lightsaber at her lightsaber or at non-lethal parts of her body. Either he's an absolute idiot or he didn't really want to kill her. Just tire her out so that he can carry her off to do sum sum rapey shit.

>That would also explain how Rey got so strong after Kylo invaided her mind
I thought he failed to invade her mind.

>That would also explain how Rey got so strong after Kylo invaided her mind.
Kenobis > Skywalkers

>took down the entire jedi order.
That was Vader and the clones, jabroni.

he did fall in love, that's why he makes the offer to teach her. in the book it's clear that snoke can sense kylo is developing feelings for her, so he tells kylo to bring rey to him so he can can give him "a reminder".

he was either going to kill rey in front of kylo or force him to do it. he knows it. that's why at the end he doesn't say "JOIN US!" or "MY MASTER CAN TRAIN YOU TOO!"

he offers to be her teacher and show her the ways of the force. he wanted her to run away with him. but since she rejected him he's going to be all buttmad in TLJ.

Why didn't he just make her pass out like earlier in the movie?

She had an awakening, plus you can hear Obi-Wan too.

In the LEGO game they make it seem like he wants Rey to beat him because he can feel her giving into the dark side the more they fight.

>I CAN FEEL THE DARKNESS IN YOU
>THAT'S IT! KEEP HITTING ME!

That was the entire fight of Luke vs Vader II.

So he fell in love with Rey, Gotcha.

Heh, well, I'll tell ya. It's because she willingly let herself be taken so that the others could escape with BB. Like Ben did in IV

Her and Kylo will fuck off after he turns her during a 2nd duel in Episode 8, to become true balanced force users

>Not jedi
>Not sith
>I'm more

>82235287

Remember what happened the last time he tried to get into her head?


Homegirl mind raped him instead.

About time force users used blasters and sabers in the main trilogy.

>I'm not like the other force users

no..

>you're so lonely.. so afraid to leave..
>..at night, desperate to sleep..

he was clearly inside her mind at this point. he just wasted time rifling through her personal memories instead of going straight for the info he needed, which gave her time to push him out. and when she pushed him out, she went into his mind. chances are it accidentally ended creating a bond of some kind between them.

She won because she was stronger.

He definitly wanted to fuck her. Can't blame him.

because he wanted her to choose him and go with him willingly this time.

Kenobis are slick and cool while Skywalkers are hotheads.

I wondered what her butt smelled like after that sweating.

so that's why they made him look like revan

Mouse jews are hacks.

Is Finn force sensitive?

Yes.

And then two storm troopers see the shower of sparks and double back.

yeah the chemistry in that scene was weird. was i supposed to find it sexual?

>not wanting a dark side sex slave
baka desu senpai

Nice.

pablo claims kylo's creators have probably never even heard of KOTOR. kek. they're such hacks they can't even admit to being partly inspired by revan.

>clearly wants to fuck his own cousin

what a sick fuck

You can tell he's weak in the Dark Side. No passion at all.

Why did he kill his father??

Literally Kylo wants to be hardcore but his emotions won't let him.

He wanted to become completely engulfed in the dark side but felt remorse.

He have autism.

>Literally Kylo wants to be hardcore but his emotions won't let him.

This. Like so many of us, deep down he really just wants to be loved by a cute girl.

They definitely gave him this look for purpose.

The Mediclorians have recently revealed a startling gender gap in jedi numbers (before rey, there was only one jedi and he was a male, meaning 100% males and 0% females). Because of this, they've instituted an affirmative action policy and are powering up females and weakening males in all force related activities.

considering driver was cast after they saw him in girls, i doubt it was unintentional

Get over here, bro.

I don't understand.

W-what?

...

>master tells you to get droid and kill girl
>disobey his orders
>bring her to your personal quarters to ensure her comfort
>take your mask off so she won't think you're a monster
>get the info you need from her head as gently as possible
>she still hates and wants to kill you even though you're trying to be nice

He didn't gag her and vibe her to mind broke.

2/10 shit dom would not sub.

He was a faceless evil guy on early concept art, but then they casted Driver and he became a pretty boy with puppy eyes.

Rey is a Kenobi.

KK claimed she cast him after seeing him in Lincoln but she's full of shit. He's a normal, well adjusted individual in that and a boring side character. Girls is the role that showed off his dramatic chops and his ability to be emotional, conflicted and fly into autistic rages.

MAR-AY SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE

How?

>imblying that changes things
Love like pottery

he wants rey to love him and be with him willingly, not just be his sex slave.