Was Russia ever good?

Was Russia ever good?

It seems as though the history of Russia is terribly depressing with very little good/happy stuff, except for scientific and technical achievements, such as the first man in space.

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I think it's part of their culture, things like stoicism, insouciance, melancholia, etc. It manifests itself most notably in their great art and literature.

They have had their moments in culture and world history, but I don't think Russia has ever been a place where every Russian could lead a happy life.

They were good before the Golden Horde wrecked them

Pre Gorbachev ussr
The golden horde is the reason modern russia exist. Without it there would be numbers of countries instead of just one russia

russia didn't exist until the golden horde dumbo

>Was Russia ever good?
No.

If the USSR under Brezhnev was your Golden Age...

no, you are born a russian for your wrongdoings in your previous life

It was actually a pretty nice place during the late 19th and early 20th centuries before WWI.

Then... i wonder... What is... The worst... Time... ...

Compared to Europe (and especially the US), the Russian commoners lived often in extreme poverty.
It was nice for the aristocracy, though.

Wasn't it ok during Peter the Great's time?

>It was actually a pretty nice place during the late 19th and early 20th centuries before WWI.
Maybe for the Tsar at Peterhof

I'm just saying, if living in a police state with shortages of toilet paper and lines for bread is a good time to be alive, I really have to question what bad looks like?

Most Europeans outside of Western Europe were poor as shit before WWI. By comparison, it wasn't bad at all.

>shortages
Are you retarded? Do you know who it is?

Yeah. Going to the store and not having toilet paper or consumer products in them. Because Gosplan decided more tanks were needed instead.

Kind of like how Socialism managed to turn Russia from a major food exporter (before WWI) to a net importer. It has since become a net exporter again.

Say whatever you want about Russia's military power under the USSR, its economy was a completely dysfunctional mess.

>'murican telling a Russian how it was in USSR some 60 years ago, >information that he undoubtley got from some book with the title, "Capitalism No.1, Commies are weak pinko faggots"

you faggot, dont make me laugh this late

You could buy anything in cities but if you live in village you could buy only unprocessed meat. My parents lived under it and they know better than you how it was, I am sure.

The most important point here = Americans read books

>it's another burger "let me tell you about your country" episode

The fact that the USSR had consumer products shortages which got progressively worse or ended up having to import wheat from the USA and Argentina isn't really an opinion.

Consumer product shortages got worse under Gorbachev because the price of oil tanked and they stopped being able to make up for shortages through imports paid by oil revenues.

Gorbachev was, imo, an idiot for putting political reforms ahead of economic reforms. Had Russia ended up with a Deng Xiaoping instead, it would have been a lot better off

You read self help books and self congratulatory bullshit.

>how to get rich, in two days, without giving up the tendies
>how American become the number 1 nation due to Capitalism and Jesus
>how America saved the world by defeating the NAZIs

He was an idiot for trusting USA to keep its promises.
Thats for sure

Only book I ever read is the Bible.

No, he wasn't. USA has kept every promise it has made.

>I know about gorbachev so I know about Brezhnev
Ok, m8. I got you

Prior to napoleon all eurasia was practically identical.

Damn right he was. You think America's promises saved the Shah of Iran or Ngo Dinh Diem?

The Bible is false.

When napoleon exterminated feudalism and liberated the European race then the Euros could flourish and develop, Christianity must be exterminated.

WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIME

>except for scientific and technical achievements
What about all the artistic ones?
Russia has some of the great, arguably the greatest writers of all time. As well as musicians, painters, ballet etc etc

...

wow, not all countries are western europe-tier rich, i never knew that

That's us without the scientific or technical achievements.

>You read self help books and self congratulatory bullshit.
You just criticized someone for telling him about his country, wew

Russia didn't exist as a country until the 1480s, Luigi.

You are the autist that believes the torah is true.

>I believe in lord of the rings is true
>said the retard
>I believe tge torah is true
>said the retard

Russia today might actually be better than ever, from an economic well-being point of view.

People don't need to be rich in order to be happy. It seems Russians have never been rich...or happy...

The trouble with Russians tends to be that it's very possible they might be happy. They just aren't going to smile if they are.

>Was Russia ever good?
Yes, under the Golden Horde.

Russia has been, is and always will be shit.

Being Russian today could be one of the worst things in life, since the rest of the world is evolving at really fast rates while Russia keeps getting poorer and poorer.

lel

False.

The Brazilian is generally right.
Russia has gotten better since 1999 because during the 1990s it was a total shitshow and the only way to go was up.

However, under Putin, Russia has not really transformed its economy away from energy/natural resources as it though have done when oil prices were high.
Instead, Putin focused on keeping his power via placating oligarchs and ensuring corruption reigned supreme.

The Russian economy has been very poor since 2013/2014 until 2017, which goes back to the dependency on oil, however now sanctions also play a role and those are expanding as well as more and more countries pass their equivalent of the Magnitsky Act.

Well, Brezhnev's era was quite nice compared to the civil war and famine of the 20s, famine and terror of the 30s, war and terror of the 40s-50s, extreme poverty, chaos and gang wars of the 90s.

>Was Russia ever good?
No. That's why they developed RUSSIA STRONK as a coping mechanism.

As you can see, the numbers in that picture are quite outdated.

No, that was true only for the period of 2007-2008, but not anymore.

>2013
>gdp: $2113 bl

Now it's $1280 billion.

>income
>29940 rub/month

Back then in 2013 it was almost $1k dollars, while nowadays average net income in Russia is barely $550/month.

Maybe he was implying Russia was best when it didn't exist

Did average salaries go down in Ruble terms, or is that just the effect of the Ruble's value taking a dive after oil prices fell.

>Did average salaries go down in Ruble terms

No, they remained the same, in some places even grew by 10-15%. But prices of almost all goods increased several times.

>is that just the effect of the Ruble's value taking a dive after oil prices fell

Yes, it is.

>90% of stuff is imported
>ruble looses half of its value

as bad as it was, the soviet union was its peak desu. was shittier before and since.

>Being this stupid

>except for scientific and technical achievements, such as the first man in space
And even then, it was more propaganda value than science.

Russia would be better off it were balkanized due to its geographcical position it needs keep the whole massive country somewhat occupied and that's expensive.
Other large countries like Canada doesn't have this problem since the only neighbor is USA and they're their allies.

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What era do you think is better?

1990s? Where mass poverty, crime, and collapsing living standards were occurring.

Or the late part of the USSR with shortages and economic dysfunction.

Or maybe during WW2? Or during the 1920s and 1930s under Stalin? Or would you prefer the Civil War period?

If I had to live in Russia, I would rather it be now than any other time since World War I.

Big deal, you would rather live in America today than the 1950s no matter what nostalgic baby boomers tell you (protip: the world always looked better when you were 8 years old).

If so, only because the technology is better. Quite a few things really were better in the 1950s.

>Quite a few things really were better in the 1950s
Those being...?

And no, segregated lunch counters were not an improvement over today. Sorry, Sup Forums.

Yes it is.

Russbros, when was the "best" time to live in USSR?

I mean things must have been at least decent at some point.

A ass fit for an Irishman

Segregated schools and mandatory death sentences for black criminals.

But seriously, economic inequality, costs of living (particularly housing, education & healthcare), workforce participation, and availability of jobs.

>But seriously, economic inequality, costs of living (particularly housing, education & healthcare), workforce participation, and availability of jobs.
I guess we could always blow up Europe in a war again where millions of people die so we control the global economy for 25 years. And no, you wouldn't take the health care available in the 50s over today at all.

>Work is available everywhere
>Can walk straight into a job with no prior training or education
>Can work that job for the next 30 years with training, promotions and retirement
>A house is only twice your annual income, rather than ten times or twenty times your income
>Could easily raise a family, own a car and pay off your house on a single income in your early 20s

Boomers had it so fucking easy.

It has never been better. Putin is a corrupt autocrat, but so what?

I think the Europeans got enough last century. Let's pick a fight with China and India instead.

>Boomers had it so fucking easy
You seem to be confusing boomers with their parents. Boomers came of age in the 70s when the economy was...yeah.

>autocrat
well that's better than a manualcrat :D

How come it's always Boomers who are saying that you just need to walk in there and give them a firm handshake to get the job, then? It's obvious that they still had it way more easy.

He just can't drive manual

>How come it's always Boomers who are saying that you just need to walk in there and give them a firm handshake to get the job, then?

Because that's a Reddit meme. In the post-WWII years, unskilled guys with a high school diploma could attain a middle class lifestyle, but mostly because Europe and Japan had been destroyed in the war. North America, Oceania, Switzerland, and Sweden had no war damage and were the main benefactors.

> 70s when the economy was...yeah.
here it was poor as fuck during the 50s but in the 70s things started to look better really makes you think

>but mostly because Europe and Japan had been destroyed in the war
And then we made $$$ rebuilding them.

>Let me tell you about your country

Actually my grandfather didn't own a new car until he was over 40, he had used ones as a young man.

Depends on where you lived. The US and Britain were nerfed pretty hard in the 70s but other cunts like West Germany were booming.

>And no, segregated lunch counters were not an improvement over today. Sorry, Sup Forums.
Yeah it is

>more propaganda value than science.
>what was star wars

Yeah I hated Jar-Jar Binks too.

I hated that golden, gay butler bot

Just compare russian village with any first world village. Russian village is like time capsule.

holy shit, good joke mate

Shortages began in 80's actually.

none of that means shit in regards to infrastructure, services, and quality (and cost) of life.

Russian villages are going to extinct in 50 more years.

being ruled by tyrant after tyrant after tyrant does that to a nation.

it's funny cuz USA is turning into a spitting image of russia.

Well, desu quality of life increases significantly in last 17 years and so life expactancy did for example.

>its an American flag shills for Russia episode
really gets the noggin joggin

conquering/dividing - yes

quality of life - never

must be the magic (and curse) of being ruled over by ((((god's very own chosen people))))).

*insert laughing anime girl jpg* TEEEHEEEE