Is it really that bad?

I don't mind sharing.

In a few years robots will do all the shit work anyways.

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Why is it greedy to want to keep your own money, but not greedy to want to take someone elses?

>the idea that you take the money from hard working people and give it to no-good bums

Because some people have needs and others have wants.
>I need to eat
>I want a boat

If someone held you up at gunpoint, took your money and then gave it to some homeless dude. Are you being generous? Are you sharing?

No. You're just being mugged.

Can you say that the mugger is the paragon of morality?

I certainly don't think so.

>sharing
>appropriating
same thing

I think you're a dick if you won't share a bit to make sure the homeless dude can not die on the street.

If you want to share, nobody's stopping you.

Socialism is the radical idea of sharing someone else's property.

>your own money

fiat currency is something real

>sharing and not getting anything for it
Nah

That's not how it works, though. If the majority in a country agree, by voting, to give a certain portion [depending on total wealth] of their income to people less fortunate than them, nobody's being fucking mugged. Sensationalist hyperbole will get you nowhere here.

Sounds like they need to get a job then.

reality is that all contemporary governments of major nations are socialist, with different veneers and marketing

and it's plutocratic socialism that's globalizing

Sounds to me like people should spend their money on needs before wants

So go out and work.
Get on welfare until you find a job.
Go to school and get some certifications.

There is no excuse, you lazy cunt.

>I need to eat, but I'm going to buy an iPhone or weed instead
Clearly you don't know many people on welfare. Most of them don't need it, they just want the gratification of getting a cheque without working for it.

Leeches.

>their money

fiat currency is something real

socialism, the radical idea that you must share, by force. or else.

Socialism and Capitalism are like salt and pepper.
You don't want too much of either.

And that's just too fucking bad for the rich, and/or greedy.

Socialism: The idiotic idea that nobody should have private property rights.

Most homeless people either like the street life, are drug addicts that would rather get high on someone elses dime, or aren't willing to reach out to the safety net and do what is required to get back on their feet. If they're not going to try, then they get nothing.

Why is socialism bad but national socialism is good?

>edit
The radical idea of sharing other peoples property that the socialist has no right to.

Socialism: the radical idea of legalizing theft

>If you don't pay up, you go to jail
>Optional and a free choice
Nah

>TIL stealing from others is "sharing"

Cute, but I'm pretty sure the "radical idea of sharing" is called "charity" not "socialism."

So because someone else doesnt have something I should have to give up my stuff I worked 60 hours a week for?

lol no

Socialism: The radical idea of being forced to share with some one at gun point.
ftfy

Does that change anything about the concept of sharing someone else's property? No?

Then what was the point of your post?

the problem with socialism is that it also encourages equality aka equal misery

Sharing simple shit is fine like toys, food, whatever. The message behind socialism is sweet and kind hearted sharing. It's "the rich are bad and they hog the wealth!!" There's a lot more incentive and ambition behind being rich. Forcefully redistributing someone's hard earned fruits of their labor not only incentivizes the poor to stay lazy and not want to strive for greater, but it discourages the hard working wealthy class. There is a problem with the wealth distribution in the states. But, socialism isn't the answer to any ill distributed wealth. It's just more of the government forcefully taking your resources and allocating them where they see fit.

gibsmedat

Isn't** sweet and kind hearted sharing

Sharing is only sharing when it is intrinsically motivated. A radical idea of sharing would be total self sacrifice, aka being on the same level as Jesus... not communism you retard slime

Put National in front and you'll be okay.

so what?

I really don't notice my taxes going to pay for a few folks who legitimately don't want to work and are lazy as fuck

Believe it or not, most people don't want to be leeches and want to contribute something to the world.

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National socialists believe in preserving the traditions and society of that country, not mutilating them for the sake of equality for every single conceivable minority that can swim or scuttle across the border.

>implying welfare isn't government subsidized consumerism
>implying consumerism is bad
I was kinda just trollin with my first post. The fact that welfare and food stamps etc. Actually stimulate instead of retard the economy is why they will never not be part of a modern capitalism. Middle class people get extremely triggered by it but it serves a roll and I actually think they should have a sum zero tax rate and that we should rake multi nationals over the coals, but I admit these are the fevered dreams if a madman.

you shouldn't have to work 60h a week to get the things you want.

That's really the only way it will work, when robots do all jobs. From flipping burgers, to driving trucks, to doing discovery work for lawyers, to doing surgical operations. Once the only jobs are robotics engineer then maybe we can see the true potential of mankind reached

>This
Look at all socialist nations, the more you embrace socialism, the more shit things get. Look at traditional anti socialist or even partly-socialist countries, more free market countries, they flourish. SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK

>Pic related

Socialism wasn't about sharing, it was about fair pay and fair work. Sharing is an capitalistic idea of creating extra rich people who don't work and then giving you chunks of freedom after they taken everything from you from start.

by sharing you mean robbery?

>radical idea of stealing

That's the point of workers' self-management. Workers are instrumental in producing wealth. Therefore, why should almost all of the wealth they produce go to bosses whose main contributions are buying the factories?

How naive are you?

That's funny, because I was on the street for several years, and it's quite the opposite.

All they want to do is live somewhere rent free, drink or get high, and spend other peoples money.

Fuck off.
You want a red pill? Go be homeless.

Most people do. They just can't cover everything.

>shouldnt have to work 60h a week to get the things you NEED
Yeah, probably.

>shouldnt have to work 60h a week to get the things you WANT
Ill work as much as is necessary for those.

Worked okay in Cuba - despite americans fucking them over for so long.

>the radical idea of sharing against your will

What happens when I don't ask anybody for anything but people are always asking for stuff from me?

At a job that is most likely subsidized by the government. Fuck off bro.
>why can't I haz all muh moneyz? I'd be so happy with an insignificant portion of my paycheck back in my pocket
You'd probably still want more. And then you'd turn into the person angry that the government isn't doing its job by subsidizing your success.

Sharing is when I give my buddy some money when he has none
Socialism is taking my money against my will and giving it to someone i don't know to not work while I do

now fuck off leaf

>iPhones
That's what's called relative poverty. It's not inherently necessary for life like water or food, but in the West it's almost essential to have one if you're trying to get a job.
>le weed meme
Not an argument.

I'd be ok with it if I liked the people I was sharing with

That's bullshit and you know it.

Sounds like they need help if they feel so lost.

I don't mind paying for the few homeless who don't want to contribute anything. They are the minority of society.

>dun wrry it ok if is democratic
What is, mob-rule for 20?

Nice meme

I'm not implying consumerism is bad. However if you're spending your transfer payments on consumer goods, and expecting somebody else to pay for your essentials, you've got an issue.

Cuba isn't exactly a shining example for you to hold up, man.

>I'm pretty sure the "radical idea of sharing" is called "charity" not "socialism."

You're pretty wrong.

Charity is a ruse designed to keep people from taking away elites' privileged lifestyles.

like lotteries

>Dictatorship
>Practically 3rd world country
>Worked okay
>A fucking leaf

>rich relations give

>crust of bread and such

>you can help yourself

>but don't take too much

charity in a nutshell

>1/4th of paycheck is taken out for taxes
>insignificant

wat

If you need socialism to share with others you are a messed up person.

>100 million
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Would you rather live in socialistic Cuba or capitalist Haiti?

Homelessness and lazyness is a side product of capitalism. There were no homeless or lazy people during Socialism. Capitalism only creates misery, bottles your water and then sells it to you, creates whorish women and sells you therapy, produces problem and cure, so you in constant motion to chase basic human necessities. To drink clean water, to have clean air is luxury during capitalism. Socialism didn't had welfare, it had work for anybody anywhere. CEOs of capitalism only exploit people and then even import niggers and Arabs.

I had this word in mind

Putting a gun to someone's head isn't sharing

No, they're not lost. They're delusional and think the world owes them, that anybody with a job should give them free shit, and that their lifestyle is some kind of model for anarcho-syndicalist society.

Stealing a few dollars or stealing a few hundred makes no difference in the matter. It's not right to take things by force and give them to people who squander it, then keep demanding more, instead of using it to build a life for themselves.

Holy shit you must be sheltered as fuck

So all those times I went door to door collecting charitable donations of food/clothing/etc... All those hours sorting through that shit, putting it into boxes so that poor families could eat a more well-rounded diet...

Yeah. That was all a fucking ruse.

Fuck off.

>Charity is a "ruse" because poor people have the inherent right to steal from the rich

Die in a fire, commie, you don't deserve to live in freedomland.

Sure thing empire who distributed slaves all over the world and now sucks nigger dick.

>people won't share if the government doesn't force them to

>sharing

Sharing means everyone shares, not only the rich ones.

>Everybody share the poverty, and partake in a flawed economic model that has collapsed in every country that ever tried it, leading to an entire nation of impoverished people!
You're retarded

Neither? What kind of question is that?

Choice 1:
Communist/socialist dictatorship

Choice 2:
95% black anarchy

>I don't mind sharing.
then share. dont force others to

Yes it isn't, you are stealing and producing crime from ghetto to countries of the world with your 300 year old wars. USA doesn't produces sharing or anything at all, you only steal and then say: "here i give you this shit i invented with your money"

>implying homeless people make up a significant portion of those who receive benefits.
Most homeless people are literally too mentally unsound to sign up for benefits anyways. Besides don't they freeze to death in Canada like really how many can you actually have? Come to sunny California and see what a homeless problem really looks like. Hasn't slowed us down our state by itself is a top 10 economic power in the world.

You've wasted your life, mate.

Automation will require a wealth redistribution if you don't want a large lower class of unemployed, uneducated people.
We can either go the path of OK living for everyone, or dystopian cyberpunk. I'm honestly kind of hoping for the latter.

>Charity is a ruse
Charity exploded during the 19th century, a century in which the market was most free. The largest outpouring and private individuals contributing freely to the poor was during the time most regard as the rise and reign of robber barons and oligarchs.

Socialists are people who want to seem like they care about their fellow man, but want to force other people to do all the work.

Please don't remind me of this.

Socialism didn't collapse, it adapted to retarded religious people who wanted to exploit own people in name of god and import niggers from Africa after they stolen everything to replace native works with much cheaper alternative. Problem is letting animal primitives to vote, since they vote Jesus or Allah candidate every time and behind the curtain is then always Jew.

You should be able to work 32-40h a week and get the majority of the things you want.

We bitch about unemployment and then we have people working more than 40h a week.

For me, if I didn't pay rent and food was cheaper I could afford just about everything I want. Right now though I need to worry about rent, worry about food, worry about saving money for a rainy day.

I have a good job too. Imagine the folks working minimum wage shit jobs just so they can pay rent in a shitty place and eat garbage.

The joke is we condemn these folks for wanting to do drugs and drink - their lives are horrible can you blame them for not having much motivation they work harder than me and have less.

That's not fair

Most of you are talking about communism not socialism

Of your broke ass wage it is.

These were called "Friendly Societies" in Britain, Canada, and the United States by the way.

I never implied or explicitly stated that they take a significant portion of gross tranfers payments.

And in Toronto there is a fucking ton. Winter doesn't deter them, either.

Also, not an economic power, GDP is a measure of market activity and not the health and strength of a market.

Your ideology should have been strangled in the crib. Literally.

As poor as it is, it's actually one of the better countries in the region. It has one of the highest life expectancies in the hemisphere, one of the highest numbers of doctors per capita (but often not enough medicine), a near-universal literacy rate, education that's rather good for a poor country, and surprisingly little malnutrition. It's still very poor and many consumer goods are scarce though.

Socialism is more like being forced into a group project where you and only one other guy do any actual work but at the end the remaining 3 retarded groupmates all bitch and moan about how they totally deserve an A too.

A week ago, I was hobbling back home from the hospital on crutches. I didn't even have enough money to pay the fucking street car fare on me.

Some meth-head looking lady walks up to me and asks me (If you call "screaming" asking) repeatedly for a dollar. When I told her I didn't have anything, she said "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME!?!?!?!". She walked over to the next person, "asked" them in the same way and proceeded to yell about how unfair the world is.

The entire time, she was breathing in more tobacco smoke than air.

A pack of marlboro's is like 12$ here.

Doing charitable work FEELS good. I did it for myself even though it mainly benefits others. I have no regrets doing it. I volunteered.

I take offense to the idea that socialism is charity.

Nice strawman

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